2015 Trade Deadline Targets Thread.

[Qwerty]

They already have LeMahieu for 2B so they don't need Travis and Gray might not be all that good. Don't think either team does that

 

Gray is good

[Qwerty]

Gray is good

 

Flip travis for something else in 3 way then

[Qwerty]

Main point is that i forsee us getting a 2/3 rental from a seller and a controllable guy.

 

My package of non pitchers and castro doesnt change outlook much and eliminates risk of hoffman/norris coming back to hanut us

[ElNik2013]

Main point is that i forsee us getting a 2/3 rental from a seller and a controllable guy.

 

My package of non pitchers and castro doesnt change outlook much and eliminates risk of hoffman/norris coming back to hanut us

 

Goins starting 2B?

[L54]

Obv i was referring to 2017

 

My mistake. You never know on this board, there are lots of people who honestly think Hoffman could be in the rotation in September.

 

Regardless, Hutch has proven himself to be at least a league average starter. If two of Gray/Sanchez/Norris/Hoffman/Harris became the same that would be a success.

[saskjayfan]

Sell Burly Bautista and Encarnacion. Retool around Martin Donaldson Travis Pillar Stroman Osuna

 

yeah...because we all want a chance to win in 2017

[RealAccountant]

There is a real.opportunity here to.trade some of these vets and get some mlb ready arms in return

[Spanky99]

jon gray and jorge de la rosa for:

 

Devon travis, dalton pompey, castro

 

Pretty much 2 for 1 then de la rosa for castro since theyd have no pitching left

 

WAT?

 

 

cf

[Daniel Labude]

There is a real.opportunity here to.trade some of these vets and get some mlb ready arms in return

Yep...gotta blow some of this up....we are on a huge losing g streak going into the break if some of these players don't grow a pair

[Qwerty]

WAT?

 

 

cf

 

Way to be descriptive.

 

I'm obviously just brainstorming.

 

Cashner/Kennedy

 

Gray

 

Carl Edwards Jr.

 

These are the types of guys we will realistally add.

 

Not Hamels/Shark/Cueto

[Spanky99]

Way to be descriptive.

 

I'm obviously just brainstorming.

 

Cashner/Kennedy

 

Gray

 

Carl Edwards Jr.

 

These are the types of guys we will realistally add.

 

Not Hamels/Shark/Cueto

 

lol...thanks Alex?

[Qwerty]

Goins starting 2B?

 

Sure.

 

The way I see us having a chance at a guy like Shark is to use Position players for pitching and take on CWS excess salary.

 

So like Travis or Pompey for Carl Edwards Jr, flip Edwards, Pentecost, Collabello for Shark and Laroche.

 

You can justify taking on deadweight when the future value of discount from minors pitching potentially far outweighs cash outlay for a guy like Laroche.

 

If you can make a deal for Shark without touching upper minors pitching, trading roster offense makes a ton of sense to me.

 

Paying Laroche in 2016 seems ok when you maintain ability to pay Hoffman, Norris, Castro peanuts long term.

 

Pompey has Pillar and half of Travis has Goins.

 

Our pitching sucks and injuries happen

[Daniel Labude]

Sure.

 

The way I see us having a chance at a guy like Shark is to use Position players for pitching and take on CWS excess salary.

 

So like Travis or Pompey for Carl Edwards Jr, flip Edwards, Pentecost, Collabello for Shark and Laroche.

 

You can justify taking on deadweight when the future value of discount from minors pitching potentially far outweighs cash outlay for a guy like Laroche.

 

If you can make a deal for Shark without touching upper minors pitching, trading roster offense makes a ton of sense to me.

 

Paying Laroche in 2016 seems ok when you maintain ability to pay Hoffman, Norris, Castro peanuts long term.

 

Pompey has Pillar and half of Travis has Goins.

 

Our pitching sucks and injuries happen

 

Pentecost alone gets u Shark...no need for anything else u said

[Qwerty]

Pentecost alone gets u Shark...no need for anything else u said

 

I hope you are right but i dont think you are.

[Qwerty]

I think they could even beat pentecost/pompey.

 

But i do that deal all day given our current situation.

[Qwerty]

Last one:

 

Hutch + non pitching prospect for Cashner and Kennedy

 

That one takes balls but it could be our best deal for 2015/2016.

 

if those guys turn it around you have added more value than adding shark, hamels, cueto

[ElNik2013]

Sure.

 

The way I see us having a chance at a guy like Shark is to use Position players for pitching and take on CWS excess salary.

 

So like Travis or Pompey for Carl Edwards Jr, flip Edwards, Pentecost, Collabello for Shark and Laroche.

 

You can justify taking on deadweight when the future value of discount from minors pitching potentially far outweighs cash outlay for a guy like Laroche.

 

If you can make a deal for Shark without touching upper minors pitching, trading roster offense makes a ton of sense to me.

 

Paying Laroche in 2016 seems ok when you maintain ability to pay Hoffman, Norris, Castro peanuts long term.

 

Pompey has Pillar and half of Travis has Goins.

 

Our pitching sucks and injuries happen

 

 

You'd trade Pompey or Travis for 2 months of Shark?

 

Pass.

[Daniel Labude]

Last one:

 

Hutch + non pitching prospect for Cashner and Kennedy

 

That one takes balls but it could be our best deal for 2015/2016.

 

if those guys turn it around you have added more value than adding shark, hamels, cueto

 

Id do that I guess...Hutch, Dickey, Estrada need to be replaced for us to have long term success

[Boxcar]

I hope you are right but i dont think you are.

 

Lmfao 0% chance he's right. Holee f***.

[Qwerty]

You'd trade Pompey or Travis for 2 months of Shark?

 

Pass.

 

Its not great, but its better than bundling pitching prospects and getting screwed. I only suggest that because we have internal options at those positions.

If we keep our pitching intact the offense is good enough to win with goins or pillar.

[Qwerty]

Id do that I guess...Hutch, Dickey, Estrada need to be replaced for us to have long term success

 

Yes, and Hutch is the only with value (yrs control) worth trading.

Again, I think SD could get more by trading those guys individually.

Would obviously depend on the additional prospect.

[ElNik2013]

Its not great, but its better than bundling pitching prospects and getting screwed. I only suggest that because we have internal options at those positions.

If we keep our pitching intact the offense is good enough to win with goins or pillar.

 

 

Ryan Goins shouldn't be an option and have seen the LF defense this year? It's been bad.

[Qwerty]

Ryan Goins shouldn't be an option and have seen the LF defense this year? It's been bad.

 

Yes. I watch the games.

 

Pitching is far bigger problem.

 

Outside of Buehrle and maybe Sanchez nobody can be counted on for anything.

 

Defense is correlated and offense is exponential but when you are putting guys out there like Hutch, Estrada - the value add of Pompey's D or Travis' isnt going to matter.

 

Hutch looks good on fangraphs but every 3 starts he gets banged around.

Estrada same thing (and the HR issue). Dickey is stuck on the team, but atleast he's gonna give you around 6 ip every start.

 

Hutch in SD could be very good.

 

Playoff push:

 

Buehrle

Cashner

Kennedy

Sanchez

Dickey

 

Osuna

Estrada

Delabar

Loup

Delabar

Cecil

Hendriks

 

2016 sub Norris and Stroman for Buehrle and Kennedy.

[IronLadle]

I hope you are right but i dont think you are.

 

If the White Sox don't trade Sharkey at the deadline all they get is a compensation pick, let's not lose our heads.

[Qwerty]

If the White Sox don't trade Sharkey at the deadline all they get is a compensation pick, let's not lose our heads.

 

ok.

 

AA: hi guys i want shark

 

Rick hahn/Ken williams: ok, propose something

 

AA: max pentecost

 

Rick hahn/Ken williams: not enough, already considering a better package

 

AA: but max is worth slightly more than what you can get with your comp pick

 

Rick hahn/Ken williams: i dont care. Someone is willing to give me more

 

This dialogue represents something called demand.

[ElNik2013]

Apparently, Latos has regained his velocity:

 

 

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/mat-latos-trade-candidate.html

[Hawkins]

Chapman is the only pitcher I want to trade for that will cost significant prospects. 2nd tier startersike Latos, Kennedy, and others would be fine. Stroman, Sanchez, Norris, Hutchinson, Osuna, and Hoffman will be a cheap young rotation for many years if we don't sell the farm for a rental.

[Spanky99]

Hear that...Cincy want's to grow around Frazier, lol.

[IronLadle]

ok.

 

AA: hi guys i want shark

 

Rick hahn/Ken williams: ok, propose something

 

AA: max pentecost

 

Rick hahn/Ken williams: not enough, already considering a better package

 

AA: but max is worth slightly more than what you can get with your comp pick

 

Rick hahn/Ken williams: i dont care. Someone is willing to give me more

 

This dialogue represents something called demand.

 

If someone is willing to grotesuely overpay for Sharkey, let them. Hutch, Dickey, Estrada/Sanchez are still going to be in rotation.

[SAAviour]

How about 4 years of Hutch for half season of Cueto. I'd do it.

Then get shark and I think we'd be fine.

 

Cueto

Shark

Buerhle

s***

s***

Maybe find a way to get kazmir to, our pitching is f***ed!