Adam Lind: Bluejays clubhouse culture

[Stangstag]

Lind is known to be a lazy f***, so there is no surprise that he and Bautista didnt get along.

[Spanky99]

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[BTS]

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You're up in the draft

[ManOnThird]

I'm getting sick of all this post-modern "culture of the clubhouse" garbage Toronto has going on. It's just mindless sports talk for all those people who don't even like sports but want sport-themed soap operas. All it suggests to me is that all these phony athletes can't even be responsible for themselves. Instead, they wallow in incompetence, waiting for the special day when their fairy godmother will come along and tap them on their shoulders with a magic wand and suddenly make them winners, instead of going out there, stuffing their balls into their cups like men and winning for themselves. The sheer incompetence of Rogers/Maple Leaf Sports just pollutes the players and turns them into faceless hacks, i.e. so that they become just like the pathetic executives who sit on the boards and in the offices raking in the money while offering nothing to humanity but corruption and futility. God I hope the Raptors break through the mold of nothingness that has been thrust upon them.

 

P.S. not to be a gossiping goose, but to me Lind implies that Bautista and Buerhle are part of the trouble, since they "are still there" yet the Jays "haven't changed the culture of the clubhouse."

[admin]

While Lind is getting called out for some of his dumbass/honest remarks, we have to remember it's the goof reporter responsible for all this. It's not like Lind blurted this stuff out unsolicited. That moron Elliott chased him down at the Brewers' training complex to get these valuable insights in a pathetic attempt to keep his career alive. Lind was probably taking this interview with " please f*** off, I'd like to get back to settling in and training with my new team now" in the back of his mind.

 

That's what I meant, I should have been clear. Reporter thought he was going to get some juicy stuff from this interview, got nothing, so published anyways.

[Laika]

I'm getting sick of all this post-modern "culture of the clubhouse" garbage Toronto has going on.

 

I'm not sure what's worse, that stuff, or the annual "hurr durr can he catch the wonderful unique mystical RA Dickey" slew of articles.

[Dick_Pole]

I'm getting sick of all this post-modern "culture of the clubhouse" garbage Toronto has going on. It's just mindless sports talk for all those people who don't even like sports but want sport-themed soap operas. All it suggests to me is that all these phony athletes can't even be responsible for themselves. Instead, they wallow in incompetence, waiting for the special day when their fairy godmother will come along and tap them on their shoulders with a magic wand and suddenly make them winners, instead of going out there, stuffing their balls into their cups like men and winning for themselves. The sheer incompetence of Rogers/Maple Leaf Sports just pollutes the players and turns them into faceless hacks, i.e. so that they become just like the pathetic executives who sit on the boards and in the offices raking in the money while offering nothing to humanity but corruption and futility. God I hope the Raptors break through the mold of nothingness that has been thrust upon them.

 

P.S. not to be a gossiping goose, but to me Lind implies that Bautista and Buerhle are part of the trouble, since they "are still there" yet the Jays "haven't changed the culture of the clubhouse."

 

Wow. I think the lack of winning sports teams in this city has rotted some people's brains. I never realized that Rogers is grooming Jose Bautista for a suit role once he retires. Believe it or not, outside of Toronto, there have been teams with clubhouse issues too.

[Dick_Pole]

That's what I meant, I should have been clear. Reporter thought he was going to get some juicy stuff from this interview, got nothing, so published anyways.

 

And what's amazing about it is that this has generated over 70 responses and people's opinions are all over the map from "Lind's so refreshing and honest" to "Lind's a dolt" to "Lind's a f***ing crybaby I'm glad he is gone". Not so many people are picking up on the context that this Toronto reporter chased this guy down while working with his new team to try to get him to reminisce about his old club. So he's definitely no crybaby at least for this interview. And he's no hero either because I didn't find anything in that interview to be all that refreshing. Just some filler material for a news print business struggling to maintain relevancy in a world where there's a million other websites which will provide superior sports content.

[KingKat]

all this post-modern "culture of the clubhouse" garbage Toronto has going on.

 

I know the expression "post-modern" gets thrown out a lot but I nonetheless find this use of it puzzling.

[RealAccountant]

Lind will look good on the Brewers injured reserve list

[Deadpool]

I know the expression "post-modern" gets thrown out a lot but I nonetheless find this use of it puzzling.

 

I actually love that, and similar, terms. Just complete f***ing nonsense, like "post human art", are you f***ing kidding me?

 

At least that last one inspired the name of an EP I put out... "Art from the Era of Atomic Monkeys"

[KingKat]

I actually love that, and similar, terms. Just complete f***ing nonsense, like "post human art", are you f***ing kidding me?

 

At least that last one inspired the name of an EP I put out... "Art from the Era of Atomic Monkeys"

 

Yeah but post-modern isn't just a nonsense word. It comes from a very specific context which is to say the post war context. What it represents is a crisis of faith in the concept of modernity itself. After WWII a lot of our beliefs about culture fell apart. Germany was supposed to be one of the most enlightened countries of the world. Home to so many great philosophers, writers and artists. If Germany could descent into cruel inhuman barbary and genocide than it means that all the beliefs we inherited from the enlightenment fall apart. We don't necessarily become better as we become more educated and cultured. The most educated and cultured people in the world devolved into barbary. So post-modernism is at its heart a crisis of faith, faith in the "modern" or in "progress". It's a term that makes perfect sense when you know what the f*** you're talking about.

 

I feel like its important to understand these things and not dillute their meaning. We are very much living in the aftermath of post-modernism. We have gone away from a very set definition of what constitutes "culture" and in many ways that is a good thing but we've also developped a fierce anti-intelectualism which is very destructive. So in summary, I'm blaming Hitler for anti-vaxers.

[Pulk_Pull]

There's being honest, and then there is being unprofessional. This whole fiasco says more about Lind and Bob Elliott than it does about the Jays.

 

Call me a whiner, but I'm not the one talking about my old place of employment like a jaded ex-gf. Man the f*** up and move on.

[Governator]

There's being honest, and then there is being unprofessional. This whole fiasco says more about Lind and Bob Elliott than it does about the Jays.

 

Call me a whiner, but I'm not the one talking about my old place of employment like a jaded ex-gf. Man the f*** up and move on.

 

 

That's because the media didn't fly out to see you and ask a bunch of questions.

[Pulk_Pull]

That's because the media didn't fly out to see you and ask a bunch of questions.

 

And if they did, I wouldn't open my mouth to take veiled shots at previous co-workers, my bosses and the company culture.

 

(No doubt that I put this more on Bob Elliott and trying to create a narrative where there should be none)

[Deadpool]

There's being honest, and then there is being unprofessional. This whole fiasco says more about Lind and Bob Elliott than it does about the Jays.

 

Call me a whiner, but I'm not the one talking about my old place of employment like a jaded ex-gf. Man the f*** up and move on.

 

This is pretty far from a fiasco.

[ManOnThird]

Yeah but post-modern isn't just a nonsense word. It comes from a very specific context which is to say the post war context.

 

Tldr: it’s post-modernism because all this discussion of culture and the emotional journey is designed to move away from wins and losses, since these are absolute definitions, and in post-modernism you cannot have absolutes. (I’m putting this at the top to change it up)

 

 

 

What you’re defining as post-modernism is closer to what modernism actually is which was a complete termination of classical culture following WW1, where society looked upon the great traditions that came before and realized they ultimately failed and were meaningless, because how could such a culture exist and yet still lead to such a war. That’s why after WW1 there’s such an immediate and absolute break with ‘classical’ tradition, and everything after that is modern. The phrase The Great Depression is ironic in this sense, since it was both physical and cultural. For example, look at 100 year-old novels like The Sun Also Rises or The Great Gatsby which are so modern and relevant to our exact moment in time. Or look at the music of Igor Stravinsky and how he broke with the conventions of classical music right at the outset of WW1.

 

Post-modernism is a continued development of modernism where that now since there is no culture in place, we have to each struggle alone to somehow mash together a new culture out of this madness. Unfortunately what we’ve developed most out of this is the egotistical concept that “you have no right to tell me I’m wrong since this is my experience and it’s true for me.” For better or worse, that’s become the most derided concept of what post-modernism is. But that’s why whatever you believe becomes the truth and therefore there can actually be numerous truths to reality. That’s why a single paint-stroke across a canvas can be so fakely meaningful, because it has such compelling meaning to the painter even though it holds no true value to society as a whole.

 

Other examples in society are the childish idea that everyone is a winner and everyone gets a medal just for participating. We readily implant our children with these worthless ideals, or even the ability to down-vote on Reddit where you can just hide away the replies that aren’t true enough for you, or Yahoo Answers where you can select the worst possible reply as being Correct. Or some people still say Pluto is a planet, and thus depending on who you talk to there are either 8 or 9 planets (and even more if you believe Ceres should be a planet, or Planet X or Niburu, etc.)

 

And thus, therefore, in conclusion that’s why in my post I stated it’s post-modernism because this discussion about culture and the emotional journey is all about abandoning concepts of wins and losses, since these are absolute definitions, and in post-modernism you cannot have absolutes. Rather it becomes about caring for the emotions and personal journeys of the players, and that (said in the most obnoxiously trite voice ever) “they can be winners in life even if they lose. Since we’re all winners. Who are to judge them?”

 

That's why all this stuff is for non-fans, since it's a way to get everyone emotionally engaged in the players, though obviously all MLB cares about is that emotionally engaged = money. Which is another reason post-modernism is often so fake, because nobody actually cares about any of the above or lives those ideals, but I digress. Hell, I’d say when you look at the NHL standings and how messed up they are (i.e. teams aren’t ranked anymore by an absolute ordering of most points to fewest), that’s another example of post-modernism in sports.

Edited February 27, 2015 by ManOnThird

[GD]

holy s***

[King]

lol

[Mikeleelop]

Lind is what he's always been - a passive agressive lazy pussy

 

the stuff he said was not ever a direct critisism but always a negative about his time and experience with the Jays

[G-Snarls]

Anthopoulos responds to Lind's comments

 

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/26/former-blue-jay-adam-linds-comments-brew-up-news-at-spring-training

[KingKat]

“I don’t really concern myself either way. Adam played very well for us when he was here. He did a great job. I know there was the comments last year, so I think every year there’s comments from Adam, whether it’s [about] former managers, players, family, all that kind of stuff. It’s just par for the course.”

 

That's not an outrageous comment but it's pretty negative by AA standards, almost bitter.

Edited February 27, 2015 by KingKat

[G-Snarls]

That's not an outrageous comment but by it's pretty negative by AA standards, almost bitter.

 

Yeah, that's about as negative as Anthopoulos speak gets. He was less negative about JPA when he left and JPA was both a worse player and a massive PR pain in the ass.

[Statman]

Lind is what he's always been - a passive agressive lazy pussy

 

Lind is the epitome of passive aggressive. I am so glad he is not a Jay anymore. He is my least favorite player to ever play for blue birds.

[Angrioter]

Jose Bautista time

 

Arden Zwelling ‏

Jose Bautista: "We have some guys in here now that are an uptick or two more competitive than some guys who were here in the past"

 

"You walk around after a loss, a bad beating that you took, and sometimes you see people and you don't know what theyre thinking."

 

"I can't say that I can read minds and I can't say that I thought that guy doesn't care. But if I don't know, it makes me think."

 

"I'd rather be able to see you in your body language & facial expressions and know that you're upset we got our butts kicked."

[HERPDERP]

What does Bau mean? He wants players to pout and stomp their feet after a tough loss?

 

And all this time I thought he wanted everyone to understand that it's one game and not to overreact.

[JFD]

Pretty naive statement from Bau... some people are more introverted than others. Some people can be really upset and you'd never know it, I'm like that.

 

so you're a girl. good to know.

[GD]

so you're a girl. good to know.

 

This post is stupid in several ways, impressive.

[shortstop]

What JB said is common sense stuff - if you're not happy with losing, it'll show somehow.

 

He's not saying it's the locker room scene in moneyball where Giambi is putting on a dance but it seems certain guys were ambivalent to losing.

[Angrioter]

Pretty naive statement from Bau... some people are more introverted than others. Some people can be really upset and you'd never know it, I'm like that.

 

Winning mentality bro.

You must act as part of a group, no matter what your feelings are. If you accept the defeat, you're a mediocre. Motivation is very important in an 162 games marathon.