Aaron Sanchez Reality Check Thread

[tercet]

It's funny how everyone thinks that Aaron Sanchez should be stretched out as a starter due to 33 IP last year in the majors.

 

Common sense dictates that Aaron Sanchez is a candidate to regress. To what extent I don't know, but when your walking 5bb/9 you wont succeed in the majors.

 

2010 - 2014 Minors

 

379.2 IP - 4.8 BB/9

 

2014 Majors

 

33 IP - 2.5 BB/9

July - 0 BB/9

August - 1.9 BB/ 9

September - 4.8 BB/9

 

OPS Against - 121 PA - .128/.202/.163 - .367 OPS (This is obviously sustainable)

[Angrioter]

Gio Gonzalez +4BB/9 MiLB

[pat_borders]

It's funny how everyone thinks that Aaron Sanchez should be stretched out as a starter due to 33 IP last year in the majors.

 

Common sense dictates that Aaron Sanchez is a candidate to regress. To what extent I don't know, but when your walking 5bb/9 you wont succeed in the majors.

 

2010 - 2014 Minors

 

379.2 IP - 4.8 BB/9

 

2014 Majors

 

33 IP - 2.5 BB/9

July - 0 BB/9

August - 1.9 BB/ 9

September - 4.8 BB/9

 

OPS Against - 121 PA - .128/.202/.163 - .367 OPS (This is obviously sustainable)

 

 

He certainly has his control issues...But I believe he can be our bullpen ace...ride him until he fails

[King]

Gio Gonzalez +4BB/9 MiLB

 

Gio can miss bats, Sanchez can't (below average SwStr% as a reliever)

[tercet]

Gio Gonzalez +4BB/9 MiLB

 

Yea some guys like Gonzalez, and Samardzija master control, but their is far more failures then success stories with guys who have control issues.

[Laika]

Yea some guys like Gonzalez, and Samardzija master control, but their is far more failures then success stories with guys who have control issues.

 

there, are, than.

[glory]

Sanchez as high walk totals and declining K rates. That's not a good combo.

 

He's more valuable to us as a trade chip.

[pat_borders]

there, are, than.

 

there are and than

[pat_borders]

Sanchez as high walk totals and declining K rates. That's not a good combo.

 

He's more valuable to us as a trade chip.

 

I agree, f*** giving the kid a chance. maybe we can package him with Dickey for Neil Walker and solve 2b temporarily

[tercet]

No wonder I got a 60 in high school english 10 years ago.. =D

 

But steamer thinks very little of Aaron Sanchez as well 4.3 fip, 7.48k/9, 4.43bb/9

[pat_borders]

No wonder I got a 60 in high school english 10 years ago.. =D

 

But steamer thinks very little of Aaron Sanchez as well 4.3 fip, 7.48k/9, 4.43bb/9

 

60 is cool...I go 50 and had to take summer school to get into uni..phew

[Angrioter]

there, are, than.

 

Someone are trying to f*** my english. Thanks for the help

[Gorlak]

It's funny how everyone thinks that Aaron Sanchez should be stretched out as a starter due to 33 IP last year in the majors.

 

Common sense dictates that Aaron Sanchez is a candidate to regress. To what extent I don't know, but when your walking 5bb/9 you wont succeed in the majors.

 

2010 - 2014 Minors

 

379.2 IP - 4.8 BB/9

 

2014 Majors

 

33 IP - 2.5 BB/9

July - 0 BB/9

August - 1.9 BB/ 9

September - 4.8 BB/9

 

OPS Against - 121 PA - .128/.202/.163 - .367 OPS (This is obviously sustainable)

 

Not giving up as many hits or home runs will help mitigate some of the damage caused by higher walk rates, Being a heavy ground ball pitcher will help as well. Whether or not he's a starter will depend on the control of his secondary pitches. He's got the stuff so I'm not concerned about his low strikeout stats.

[Gorlak]

Gio can miss bats, Sanchez can't (below average SwStr% as a reliever)

 

88% fastballs while he was a reliever.

[Boxcar]

there are and than

 

Way to go, dipshit.

[SAAviour]

Im not ready to write off a guy with 97 mph heat with movement.

Jays already did that once with Henderson Alvarez.

Before his successful 33 ip I wasn't ready to write the guy off, why the f*** would we write him off now? Because he did well in his first taste of the majors?

[Boxcar]

Im not ready to write off a guy with 97 mph heat with movement.

Jays already did that once with Henderson Alvarez.

Before his successful 33 ip I wasn't ready to write the guy off, why the f*** would we write him off now? Because he did well in his first taste of the majors?

 

Brandon League seems similar.

[KingKat]

Im not ready to write off a guy with 97 mph heat with movement.

Jays already did that once with Henderson Alvarez.

Before his successful 33 ip I wasn't ready to write the guy off, why the f*** would we write him off now? Because he did well in his first taste of the majors?

 

Hum... I'd be interested to explore this comparison more to see how well it holds up. I feel like beyond the velocity, there was a lot more data to support the idea of keeping Alvarez than there would be for the idea of keeping Sanchez right now but I'd have to dig some more to give you a real answer.

[Laika]

Hum... I'd be interested to explore this comparison more to see how well it holds up. I feel like beyond the velocity, there was a lot more data to support the idea of keeping Alvarez than there would be for the idea of keeping Sanchez right now but I'd have to dig some more to give you a real answer.

 

Hmm. I dunno. Alvarez had just pitched 187 innings as a starter in 2012 with 5.18 FIP and a 3.80 K/9. There were pretty good reasons to think that he kind of sucked.

[Angrioter]

Hmm. I dunno. Alvarez had just pitched 187 innings as a starter in 2012 with 5.18 FIP and a 3.80 K/9. There were pretty good reasons to think that he kind of sucked.

 

Hendo is damn good.

 

Hendon + Cosart = 10K/9

[Gorlak]

Hum... I'd be interested to explore this comparison more to see how well it holds up. I feel like beyond the velocity, there was a lot more data to support the idea of keeping Alvarez than there would be for the idea of keeping Sanchez right now but I'd have to dig some more to give you a real answer.

 

Alvarez was the only part of that package I was bummed the Jays gave up, You can't teach a 98mph fastball.

[Spanky99]

He certainly has his control issues...But I believe he can be our bullpen ace...ride him until he fails

 

there are and than

 

60 is cool...I go 50 and had to take summer school to get into uni..phew

 

lol

[KingKat]

Hmm. I dunno. Alvarez had just pitched 187 innings as a starter in 2012 with 5.18 FIP and a 3.80 K/9. There were pretty good reasons to think that he kind of sucked.

 

That's fair but he was a 21 year old two pitch pitcher who probably didn't belong in the majors in the first place. That being said, Sanchez himself is still only 22. It's funny how Alvarez's rise seemed meteoric while it feels like Sanchez has been taking forever to develop. In reality, they both made the majors at 21, the only difference being that one pitched a significant amount of innings as a starter and the other pitched only a few as a reliever.

[Angrioter]

Alvarez was the only part of that package I was bummed the Jays gave up, You can't teach a 98mph fastball.

 

Ummmm.................. (Infante, Liz, Morrow, Ubaldo, EJax, Carmona-Hernandez, Penny)

[Angrioter]

That's fair but he was a 21 year old two pitch pitcher who probably didn't belong in the majors in the first place. That being said, Sanchez himself is still only 22. It's funny how Alvarez's rise seemed meteoric while it feels like Sanchez has been taking forever to develop. In reality, they both made the majors at 21, the only difference being that one pitched a significant amount of innings as a starter and the other pitched only a few as a reliever.

 

 

.....and one of them can't throw strikes and the other is a strikes machine.

[pat_borders]

lol

 

I'm handsome so I do well in life

[Gorlak]

Ummmm.................. (Infante, Liz, Morrow, Ubaldo, EJax, Carmona-Hernandez, Penny)

 

Is your argument that velocity doesn't help a pitcher? Saying it doesn't make them a sure bet to be aces doesn't change anything.

[Angrioter]

Is your argument that velocity doesn't help a pitcher? Saying it doesn't make them a sure bet to be aces doesn't change anything.

 

Velocity 1A, but you need to put strikes to be a positive asset at MLB level.

[Gorlak]

Velocity 1A, but you need to put strikes to be a positive asset at MLB level.

 

That's why his control of his secondary pitches will be the deciding factor. He can likely keep his walks down if he throws only fastballs, but he won't be able to go through the lineup multiple times. If his changeup is a quality pitch he can locate, he will be able to stick as a starter.

[Spanky99]

I'm handsome so I do well in life

 

K............