Don't Count Out Izturis

[AdamGreenwood]

A lot of people have basically written Izturis off.

 

In 2013, he had the wost offensive and defensive years of his career. His last negative WAR year before that was 2004 with the Expos.

He's usually a plus defender and decent with the bat.

 

So, perhaps we shouldn't discard him based on one bad year. Since we don't have many better options, he has my vote to the starting 2B for 2015.

Hopefully, he turns things around and puts up 2 WAR this season.

[Laika]

a masterpiece.

 

mods, please bronze and lock this thread.

[Angrioter]

Poll:

A) Can Goins stick?

Don't Count Out Izturis

[o2cui2i]

Poll:

A) Can Goins stick?

Don't Count Out Izturis

C) Can we ban all people who start dumb threads before the season starts?

 

FTFY

 

thought you were close enough to just touch it up.

[AdamGreenwood]

Why would you want to ban me? I'm not even black.

[o2cui2i]

Why would you want to ban me? I'm not even black.

 

for making a racist comment.

[Angrioter]

Why would you want to ban me? I'm not even black.

 

http://s.quickmeme.com/img/07/078789047c060ec26ea7703320033eb3a234d34415bcaef252ece1806447e69a.jpg

[LunchBox]

I thought the title was "Don't count on Izturis", which seemed a little too obvious. Top-notch thread though.

[Nox]

Poll:

A) Can Goins stick?

Can Izturis outstick Goins?

 

ftfy

[Spanky99]

A lot of people have basically written Izturis off.

 

In 2013, he had the wost offensive and defensive years of his career. His last negative WAR year before that was 2004 with the Expos.

He's usually a plus defender and decent with the bat.

 

So, perhaps we shouldn't discard him based on one bad year. Since we don't have many better options, he has my vote to the starting 2B for 2015.

Hopefully, he turns things around and puts up 2 WAR this season.

 

Hopefully, you're right, I still see Travis winning the job in ST. Anything but Goins.

[dineke]

He's still on the team? wow

[Spanky99]

He's still on the team? wow

 

He signed 3/9, of course he is.

[KingKat]

I don't have much hope for Izturis but there's nothing to lose at this point. If he starts the season the way he did last year, that will make a nice bridge to Travis who himself may only be a bridge to DSJ. If Izturis doesn't do well then it's just a sunk cost and hopefully Travis won't be overwhelmed if he's needed a little sooner.

[glory]

Don't count out Ricky Romero either.

[gruber92]

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[Frank Menechino]

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Having learned most of this boards lore whilst lurking, this is gold

[reedjohnsonfan]

He's a big wildcard and as long as he is healthy I can't see Travis or anyone else getting the starting gig. Travis might take over soon but it's hard to expect him to come out of spring as the #1.

[Boxcar]

A lot of people have basically written Izturis off.

 

In 2013, he had the wost offensive and defensive years of his career. His last negative WAR year before that was 2004 with the Expos.

He's usually a plus defender and decent with the bat.

 

So, perhaps we shouldn't discard him based on one bad year. Since we don't have many better options, he has my vote to the starting 2B for 2015.

Hopefully, he turns things around and puts up 2 WAR this season.

 

We could say he is 2015's version of Mark Teahen.

[o2cui2i]

We could say he is 2015's version of Mark Teahen.

 

please tell me that you're not applying cWAR (clubhouse WAR) to Izturis. I doubt anyone cares what the guy who missed a season falling up the stairs in the dugout has to say.

[jays76]

please tell me that you're not applying cWAR (clubhouse WAR) to Izturis. I doubt anyone cares what the guy who missed a season falling up the stairs in the dugout has to say.

 

Gibby could barely keep a straight face at the state of the franchise when discussing Izturis and his injury.

[Brownie19]

He's a big wildcard and as long as he is healthy I can't see Travis or anyone else getting the starting gig. Travis might take over soon but it's hard to expect him to come out of spring as the #1.

 

Wildcards usually have some upside sir.

[KingKat]

please tell me that you're not applying cWAR (clubhouse WAR) to Izturis. I doubt anyone cares what the guy who missed a season falling up the stairs in the dugout has to say.

 

I think you have Teahen and Derosa confused. Derosa was brought in for his cWAR. Teahen was just a salary dump the Jays had to take on in the complicated Colby Rasmus trade. Teahen = sunk cost.

[flafson]

Wildcards usually have some upside sir.

 

That's what we said about Goins, i still think he has some upside but i wouldn't hold my breath on it.

[G-Snarls]

But Izturis has actually excelled at this level in the past. Meaning, he has it in him. Will he ever get it again? Who the hell knows.....but we can't say he doesn't have the abillity to get it done....cause he already has.

 

Worst season of his career followed by a full missed season. Hard to envision a bounce back.

[G-Snarls]

You don't just take a year off baseball and come back better...

 

I am almost rooting for ARod to do just this

[Spanky99]

We could say he is 2015's version of Mark Teahen.

 

Zing....haha jariax...errr, AG!!

[jays76]

I am almost rooting for ARod to do just this

 

Damn Yankees.

[KingKat]

Worst season of his career followed by a full missed season. Hard to envision a bounce back.

 

Sure it's hard to envision but it's not reasonable to just blankedly assume it can't happen either. Whatever went wrong in 2013 can't just be chalked up to regression. It's far too extreme an outlier for that. It's nearly impossible for him to be that bad again. He won't be prime Izturis again either of course but he might still be a below average but nonetheless above replacement player (somewhere around 1 WAR).

[o2cui2i]

I think you have Teahen and Derosa confused. Derosa was brought in for his cWAR. Teahen was just a salary dump the Jays had to take on in the complicated Colby Rasmus trade. Teahen = sunk cost.

 

yes... you are correct. I was wrong. :-) thanks for helping me with it.

 

I think Izturis has potential to not completely suck. what happened last your was clumsy, but mostly it was a freak accident. He'll have himself in really good shape and ready to play trying to prove he can still play. might be a good thing.

[o2cui2i]

Gibby could barely keep a straight face at the state of the franchise when discussing Izturis and his injury.

 

I'm sure Izturis got hazed for it all last season. ball players would never let something like that "slide"

 

you could put in a ramp at his locker so he doesn't hurt himself again.