Around Baseball 2015

[L54]

The 'it's the Adderall' posts are annoying. There are over 100 MLB players taking Adderall, and not all of them are mashing 45 homers.

 

It's almost as if there isn't a correlation between Adderall users and home runs hit.

[LTR]

Steroids aren't taken as a medical treatment for a legit disorder. ~10% of MLB players are on ADD/ADHD medication. ~5% of adults in the general population are diagnosed with ADD/ADHD. It's not a stretch to say that professional athletes are a lot more likely than the general population to have a disorder correctly diagnosed. Demonizing the guy for using medication to improve his quality of life isn't really fair. Let alone the fact that we have absolutely no idea whether or not Adderall is effecting his performance.

 

I'm gonna go ahead and go with Occam's razor on this one (players are using it for performance gains over personal health).... GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY

[L54]

I just heard on Brady & Walker that Cole Gerritt took the loss for Pittsburgh last night.

[BTS]

I'm gonna go ahead and go with Occam's razor on this one (players are using it for performance gains over personal health).... GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY

 

Actually, no. Almost 10% of teenage boys are prescribed ADHD medication. That 9.9% of MLB players are on ADHD medication isn't surprising in that light. Occam's razor would lead one to conclude that most MLB players prescribed ADHD medication are trying to treat a disorder. Some might not be, but that's not really for us to judge.

 

Demonizing the taking of prescription medication used to treat diagnosed health problems, yay!

[LTR]

Actually, no. Almost 10% of teenage boys are prescribed ADHD medication. That 9.9% of MLB players are on ADHD medication isn't surprising in that light. Occam's razor would lead one to conclude that most MLB players prescribed ADHD medication are trying to treat a disorder. Some might not be, but that's not really for us to judge.

 

Demonizing the taking of prescription medication used to treat diagnosed health problems, yay!

 

#1 Baseball players are not teenage boys (well not 99.9% anyway).

 

#2 It's naive to think there's no performance gains from a drug that stimulates pre-frontal cortex... increases alertness, aggressiveness, attention and concentration

 

(Yes I'm calling you naive)

[LTR]

There's no question it's a performance-enhancing drug, you'd have to be stupid to think otherwise.

[BTS]

#1 Baseball players are not teenage boys (well not 99.9% anyway).

 

#2 It's naive to think there's no performance gains from a drug that stimulates pre-frontal cortex...also the part of the brain that regulates attention, impulse control, and other higher functions...

 

1. No, but like teenage boys they're in an environment where ADHD is likely to be A) detrimental, and diagnosed.

 

2. Maybe it does. Maybe it doesn't. If it does, to what extent? Does it even matter? If someone with a medical problem is able to treat that problem with medication and operate at a level normal for people without the medical problem, why should he be demonized for taking the medication? Are we going to hate on diabetic players for taking insulin?

 

I really hope it comes out that Stroman or Donaldson are on Adderall. Odds are that at least a couple players on the team are. We can all tear Orioles hangout dumn for saying the things you're saying right now.

[LTR]

1. No, but like teenage boys they're in an environment where ADHD is likely to be A) detrimental, and diagnosed.

 

2. Maybe it does. Maybe it doesn't. If it does, to what extent? Does it even matter? If someone with a medical problem is able to treat that problem with medication and operate at a level normal for people without the medical problem, why should he be demonized for taking the medication? Are we going to hate on diabetic players for taking insulin?

 

I really hope it comes out that Stroman or Donaldson are on Adderall. Odds are that at least a couple players on the team are. We can all tear Orioles hangout dumn for saying the things you're saying right now.

 

I'm pretty sure you are not actually this naive and just like to be argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. That's kind of you're shtick, no?

 

This is an actual quote from person way more knowledgeable on the matter than you:

 

“It increases alertness, aggressiveness, attention and concentration. It improves reaction time, especially when fatigued. Some think it enhances hand-eye coordination. Some believe it increases the mental aspects of performance.”

 

That’s not to mention possible increases in acceleration, speed, strength and power that accrue to Adderall users. It’s no wonder that Wadler calls Adderall “one of the quintessential performance-enhancing drugs. There's no question it's a performance-enhancing drug.”

[Daniel Labude]

I'm pretty sure you are not actually this naive and just like to be argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. That's kind of you're shtick, no?

 

This is an actual quote from person way more knowledgeable on the matter than you:

 

“It increases alertness, aggressiveness, attention and concentration. It improves reaction time, especially when fatigued. Some think it enhances hand-eye coordination. Some believe it increases the mental aspects of performance.”

 

That’s not to mention possible increases in acceleration, speed, strength and power that accrue to Adderall users. It’s no wonder that Wadler calls Adderall “one of the quintessential performance-enhancing drugs. There's no question it's a performance-enhancing drug.”

 

Also, it's easy as heck to get an exemption to use it from mlb. Just need a doctor to say you need it.

[Governator]

So if our kids happen to be top ranked in their sport, we should just tell them to stop taking their prescription medication for their neurological disorder because some people can't come to terms they are that good?

[LTR]

So if our kids happen to be top ranked in their sport, we should just tell them to stop taking their prescription medication for their neurological disorder because some people can't come to terms they are that good?

 

Whether they have the condition or not is besides the point I'm trying to make, which is not even a point that needs to be made because it's just common sense that Adderall enhances performance.

[LTR]

Also, it's easy as heck to get an exemption to use it from mlb. Just need a doctor to say you need it.

 

I know the process is more strict now with MLB but in the past this is basically how one gets a prescription for ADHD:

 

Player to Doctor: I have trouble focusing.

 

Doctor to Player: I have just the thing for you.

[LTR]

Anyway deGrom is going to rape the O's tonight... Davis will have to double-up on the Addy.

[BTS]

I'm pretty sure you are not actually this naive and just like to be argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. That's kind of you're shtick, no?

 

This is an actual quote from person way more knowledgeable on the matter than you:

 

“It increases alertness, aggressiveness, attention and concentration. It improves reaction time, especially when fatigued. Some think it enhances hand-eye coordination. Some believe it increases the mental aspects of performance.”

 

That’s not to mention possible increases in acceleration, speed, strength and power that accrue to Adderall users. It’s no wonder that Wadler calls Adderall “one of the quintessential performance-enhancing drugs. There's no question it's a performance-enhancing drug.”

 

 

*your shtick

 

And to what extent is it effecting, say, Chris Davis the baseball player right now? 20%? Probably not. 5%? 1%? Enough that he should have an asterisk beside his name for all time because he was unfortunate enough to have ADHD? He's currently hitting at 42% above league average. We have no idea what he'd be at without Adderall and ADHD. Maybe 30%. Maybe 50%. But seeing as we actually have no idea what he'd be doing if he didn't have a disorder, I don't think it's fair to attribute all of his success to medication that he's (one of 119 MLB players) taking.

[LTR]

*your shtick

 

And to what extent is it effecting, say, Chris Davis the baseball player right now? 20%? Probably not. 5%? 1%? Enough that he should have an asterisk beside his name for all time because he was unfortunate enough to have ADHD? He's currently hitting at 42% above league average. We have no idea what he'd be at without Adderall and ADHD. Maybe 30%. Maybe 50%. But seeing as we actually have no idea what he'd be doing if he didn't have a disorder, I don't think it's fair to attribute all of his success to medication that he's (one of 119 MLB players) taking.

 

I'll agree that we don't know what he is w/o it. More than likely it has made an impact on his game IMO. I don't agree to assume he even has a disorder.

[Governator]

Whether they have the condition or not is besides the point I'm trying to make, which is not even a point that needs to be made because it's just common sense that Adderall enhances performance.

 

I'm not disagreeing, but I don't believe a drug that helps someone function within society and their daily life should be banned.

[BTS]

I'll agree that we don't know what he is w/o it. More than likely it has made an impact on his game IMO. I don't agree to assume he even has a disorder.

 

You referenced Occam's razor earlier. Using it in this case would lead you to assume he's probably really f***ing good without it.

[LTR]

You referenced Occam's razor earlier. Using it in this case would lead you to assume he's probably really f***ing good without it.

 

No.

[BigCecil]

I'm not disagreeing, but I don't believe a drug that helps someone function within society and their daily life should be banned.

 

I think Old Spice should be banned. Although the commercials have been pretty good.

[LTR]

I'm not disagreeing, but I don't believe a drug that helps someone function within society and their daily life should be banned.

 

I don't want to ban it, more offense = more entertainment.

[G-Snarls]

Clearly this board needs a dedicated ADD thread

[BTS]

No.

 

Yes. The simplest explanation for his success? That he's really good at baseball. Assuming that Adderall is effecting his performance by something like 10-20% would be irresponsible.

[G-Snarls]

Also, why is there a stupid poll associated with this thread??

[_King]

Also, why is there a stupid poll associated with this thread??

 

Ang made a thread about "Cueto song vs Rasmus song" and o2 merged it with the around baseball thread, so here we are

[LTR]

Yes. The simplest explanation for his success? That he's really good at baseball. Assuming that Adderall is effecting his performance by something like 10-20% would be irresponsible.

 

No, the simplest explanation is that he's a pretty good player that becomes extra good.

[o2cui2i]

Clearly this board needs a dedicated ADD thread

 

no, we need a game to watch. people are bored between games and this is what happens. lol

[LGBJ29]

Gausmans home FIP is actually greater than DeGrom's away FIP believe it or not. Could be a close game

[LTR]

Gausmans home FIP is actually greater than DeGrom's away FIP believe it or not. Could be a close game

 

Home/away splits are relatively meaningless, you're taking an already small sample size and making it even smaller... you should just use projections.

[Governator]

No, the simplest explanation is that he's a pretty good player that becomes extra good.

 

You are overvaluing the performance of Adderall as if it will make any good player great. How did Chris Davis do last year?

[BTS]

No, the simplest explanation is that he's a pretty good player that becomes extra good.

 

Absent any kind of evidence, that's exactly what Occam's razor would instruct you not to assume. Is there reason to believe it would help him perform? Sure. Is there reason to believe it helps him on a magnitude that it's actually noteworthy when discussing his production as a player? Maybe, but probably not. And so one wouldn't asterisk his career. If they were being reasonable anyway.