Around Baseball 2015

[Smokey]

I guarantee beeston didn't know how good Donaldson is

 

According to my sources he unleashed the "BEEST" and it led him to JD!

[glory]

I guarantee beeston didn't know how good Donaldson is

 

I'd be surprised if he knew who Donaldson was at all.

[KIllerSloth]

I am worried about the Orioles more then anyone right now.

[flafson]

I am worried about the Orioles more then anyone right now.

 

I'm worried about the Rays.

Rays pitching i think is more sustainable than O's hitting.

[LTR]

I'm worried about the Rays.

Rays pitching i think is more sustainable than O's hitting.

 

The Rays are no longer a top-tier pitching team... you just have this in your mind because they've been that way in the past.

 

Their SP ranks 18th on depth charts in WAR.

Their RP ranks 5th on depth charts in WAR.

[RealAccountant]

If the Jays do things right we will take this division by 5 games. That means acquiring pitching

[KIllerSloth]

I'm worried about the Rays.

Rays pitching i think is more sustainable than O's hitting.

 

Them too but the orioles are heating up and they get Gonzalez back now.

[LTR]

People also still have the misconception that the Rays are a bad hitting team, they aren't. They are a much more well-rounded team then in the past.

[Olerud363]

Do you have a shred of evidence to support this baseless claim?? Or do you prefer to stick your head in the sand and "disregard" reality every time the subject comes up?? Besides, based on that logic, how do we know that Beeston wasn't directing AA to make the Donaldson trade?? Yeah, I think I'll stick to that from now... AA loved Lawrie so much and would never trade a good Canadian boy without Beeston forcing his hand... Completely logical!

 

We all know that AA was constantly on the phone with Beeston during the Marlins negotiations, we know Beeston was excited about 2 front end pitchers and the Reyes/Bonifacio track team.

 

Ones interpretation of this depends on our interpretation of who Beeston and AA are as human beings.

 

My own gut feeling has always been that AA isn't as dumb as most think, he is more like a savy coorporate type, like Wilner, willing to play the bitch to get the dream job.

 

Lets say AA had several potential moves to improve the team in November 2012... he goes over 4 potential trades with Beeston.

 

When Beeston hears of the Marlins trade it's fact that he said something to the extent of...

 

"2 front end pitchers?? A track team?? Alex this is golden, this is unbelievable. Marlins are willing to trade these guys for prospects?? This is really exciting. Really exciting."

 

Does AA 100% believe in the trade?? Or does Beestons excitement (Track Team!) take things in that direction, more so than other potential directions.

[pickoff22]

I don't see why anyone would question whether the Marlins trade was either AA or PB's baby - I'm sure they were both excited. Just like 97% of Jays fans were. Fans were creaming themselves over it and there were some people within the game calling for the commissioners office to disallow it. No matter what the end results have been, I'm never going to criticize AA for that trade.

[Brownie19]

I don't see why anyone would question whether the Marlins trade was either AA or PB's baby - I'm sure they were both excited. Just like 97% of Jays fans were. Fans were creaming themselves over it and there were some people within the game calling for the commissioners office to disallow it. No matter what the end results have been, I'm never going to criticize AA for that trade.

 

I tend to agree with this. It was the Mets trade that made me cringe.

[baseballsss]

I don't see why anyone would question whether the Marlins trade was either AA or PB's baby - I'm sure they were both excited. Just like 97% of Jays fans were. Fans were creaming themselves over it and there were some people within the game calling for the commissioners office to disallow it. No matter what the end results have been, I'm never going to criticize AA for that trade.

 

I question it because it was a complete 180 to what AA was actually doing to the team. He rebuilt the farm to a top 3 farm and with out much of a core he went all in..

 

For me to say I wasn't excited is a lie but really I would of loved to watch talent come up every year from the minors and contribute(good talent).

[Jimcanuck]

Do you have a shred of evidence to support this baseless claim?? Or do you prefer to stick your head in the sand and "disregard" reality every time the subject comes up?? Besides, based on that logic, how do we know that Beeston wasn't directing AA to make the Donaldson trade?? Yeah, I think I'll stick to that from now... AA loved Lawrie so much and would never trade a good Canadian boy without Beeston forcing his hand... Completely logical!

 

The Marlins and Mets trades were completely opposite to AA's MO up to that point. It's certainly possible he was being directed, and that's not an uncommon opinion.

 

Also, stop being an ******* in responding to my posts.

[Jimcanuck]

I don't see why anyone would question whether the Marlins trade was either AA or PB's baby - I'm sure they were both excited. Just like 97% of Jays fans were. Fans were creaming themselves over it and there were some people within the game calling for the commissioners office to disallow it. No matter what the end results have been, I'm never going to criticize AA for that trade.

 

Many on this board were criticizing the trade immediately after it was announced, recognizing the poor value.

[pickoff22]

Many on this board were criticizing the trade immediately after it was announced, recognizing the poor value.

 

They were the 3% then. And the "poor value" is debatable, even when you have the benefit of hindsight. There's a reason why ticket sales soared through the roof and the Marlins were heavily criticized for the trade. As much as the Jays have under-performed, that trade helped bring more people to the stadium and increased viewership. It created excitement for this team that wasn't felt for over a decade (outside of die hard fans). Why? Because people thought it made the team relevant again and a true contender. Heck even Vegas had the Jays as the favourite to win it all.

 

I don't think for a second that AA was forced to make this trade. Of course it was a different move than we were used to - the whole idea of building up the farm system was not only to have potential young talent but to also have assets to use in this exact sort of trade. He saw a way to make a "win now" move and had the dollars to do it. It gave AA a way to bring on above average and potential superstar talent that fit within the 5 year contract policy and didn't force him to try to convince FAs to come to Toronto. There's nothing that points to is as being orchestrated from above.

[Spoonovic]

I don't see why anyone would question whether the Marlins trade was either AA or PB's baby - I'm sure they were both excited. Just like 97% of Jays fans were. Fans were creaming themselves over it and there were some people within the game calling for the commissioners office to disallow it. No matter what the end results have been, I'm never going to criticize AA for that trade.

 

Exactly. At the time we all thought we were recieving:

 

- A Cy Young Candidate (Josh Johnson)

- A superstar SS (Reyes)

- a Reliable #3 (Buherle)

- a versatile utility man (Bonafacio)

 

 

And we got them without giving up our top 3 prospects at the time (Sanchez, Thor and TDA).

 

I think everyone thought we got a great deal at the time.

[Jimcanuck]

They were the 3% then.

 

There were far more than 3%, more like half the board. Casual fans loved it. My first comment was 'we just became the oldest team in baseball'

[pickoff22]

There were far more than 3%, more like half the board. Casual fans loved it. My first comment was 'we just became the oldest team in baseball'

 

This board doesn't account for the fanbase. The trade was raved about by both casual and die-hard fans. Just because some people on a message board didn't love it doesn't make is A) a bad trade or mean that it wasn't an overwhelmingly applauded trade.

[Jimcanuck]

This board doesn't account for the fanbase. The trade was raved about by both casual and die-hard fans. Just because some people on a message board didn't love it doesn't make is A) a bad trade or mean that it wasn't an overwhelmingly applauded trade.

 

A) is wrong, is correct.

 

It was a good trade without factoring in salaries, which the great majority of casual and die hard fans don't pay much attention to.

[CHRIS]

I tend to agree with this. It was the Mets trade that made me cringe.

 

Me too. The Marlins deal was risky. The Mets deal was reckless.

[CHRIS]

Quick MLB.TV question; does the premium subscription allow you to watch in-market games live?

[Boxcar]

Quick MLB.TV question; does the premium subscription allow you to watch in-market games live?

 

Yes. With the added benefit of not having to listen to Buck and Pat.

[CHRIS]

Yes. With the added benefit of not having to listen to Buck and Pat.

 

Wow. That's great, thanks. I just assumed they'd be blacked out.

[Boxcar]

Wow. That's great, thanks. I just assumed they'd be blacked out.

 

Nope, and even when they were it was an easy fix (in case they revert back to blackouts or something)

[Jimcanuck]

http://www.businessinsider.com/miami-marlins-toronto-blue-jays-2015-6

[Angrioter]

John Clark

Phillies have announced press conference at 330.

[jays4life19]

Canada's blackout hasn't existed for a few years, for whatever reason. It could re-emerge at any time but right you can watch everything.

 

They seem to still have it in the states. People complain about it a lot.

 

I only use my mlb.tv to watch other games since i have cable but one time i was stuck at work and tried to watch the Jays on my work computer (North York) and it was blacked out.

[Captain Adama]

John Clark

Phillies have announced press conference at 330.

 

Ruben Amaro fired?

 

I would be amused and disappointed at the same time.

[baubau]

Ruben Amaro fired?

 

I would be amused and disappointed at the same time.

 

More likely announcing a extension for Amaro with that franchise.

[pickoff22]

It's Andy MacPhail's hiring I'm sure. Hopefully first order of business is to fire Amaro.