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Do you think the 5-year limit needs to be changed, considering how the nature of baseball contracts and free agency seems to be going higher in value and years instead of the other way around?
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Do you think the 5-year limit needs to be changed, considering how the nature of baseball contracts and free agency seems to be going higher in value and years instead of the other way around?

 

The answer is no, and they will say no since they've answered this question several times. Clearly the long term deals tend not to work out, so the question is, should they be willing to sacrifice the latter 3-4 years of salary to get a few good years out of a long contract.

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The 5-year limit is embarrassing. Not so much that they haven't gone over 5 years, but because there's no need for a hard policy like that. Evaluate every situation individually. There are cases where going 6 or even 7 years can make sense.
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The 5-year limit is embarrassing. Not so much that they haven't gone over 5 years, but because there's no need for a hard policy like that. Evaluate every situation individually. There are cases where going 6 or even 7 years can make sense.

 

but haven't they already said that (while it's a general guideline) for the right guy under the right circumstances they're willing to go beyond 5 years?

 

you think if they had the chance to lock up Mike Trout, but he wanted 6 years, they'd say "sorry, no can do, bye."

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The 5-year limit is embarrassing. Not so much that they haven't gone over 5 years, but because there's no need for a hard policy like that. Evaluate every situation individually. There are cases where going 6 or even 7 years can make sense.

 

I'm pretty sure this is what is being done anyway. Almost all of the FA contracts over 5 years have been terrible anyways. If the deal makes sense they are going to do it.

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but haven't they already said that (while it's a general guideline) for the right guy under the right circumstances they're willing to go beyond 5 years?

 

you think if they had the chance to lock up Mike Trout, but he wanted 6 years, they'd say "sorry, no can do, bye."

 

They've said this many times over. This is why I don't understand why people get so hung up on this policy, the only guys getting more that 5 years are elite free agents signing $100 + million dollar contracts anyway. Have the Jays really missed out on anyone they could have realistically targeted due to the 5 year policy?

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but haven't they already said that (while it's a general guideline) for the right guy under the right circumstances they're willing to go beyond 5 years?

 

you think if they had the chance to lock up Mike Trout, but he wanted 6 years, they'd say "sorry, no can do, bye."

 

They did say this, so it's not even a real policy. Teams don't give out contracts longer than 5 years unless it's "for the right player" to begin with, so why they even brought it up is confusing. It makes them look awful if anything.

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They did say this, so it's not even a real policy. Teams don't give out contracts longer than 5 years unless it's "for the right player" to begin with, so why they even brought it up is confusing. It makes them look awful if anything.

 

well (since there are countless examples of really bad long term deals) I guess there are different definitions of "the right player."

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The 5-year limit is embarrassing. Not so much that they haven't gone over 5 years, but because there's no need for a hard policy like that. Evaluate every situation individually. There are cases where going 6 or even 7 years can make sense.

 

As a Rays fan, you're embarrassed by the Jays 5-year limit guideline? :confused:

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Please let me know if anyone finds a podcast or transcript..

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The 5-year limit is embarrassing. Not so much that they haven't gone over 5 years, but because there's no need for a hard policy like that. Evaluate every situation individually. There are cases where going 6 or even 7 years can make sense.

 

The policy itself doesn't embarrass me, the part that is questionable is letting everyone know about it. I see no value in advertising this policy.

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if you could ask one question to Beeston and/or AA and/or Gibbons what would it be?

 

Were you in on Jesse Crain.

 

Do you think the 5-year limit needs to be changed, considering how the nature of baseball contracts and free agency seems to be going higher in value and years instead of the other way around?

 

Please list all of the 6+ year FA contracts given out over the last 10 seasons that worked out for their clubs.

 

Please let me know if anyone finds a podcast or transcript..

 

It will be uploaded to mlb.com/video if it isn't already -- all the High Heat and MLB Network segments of note get uploaded to their page.

 

The policy itself doesn't embarrass me, the part that is questionable is letting everyone know about it. I see no value in advertising this policy.

 

Why, exactly? How else are they supposed to get people to f*** off when they ask them 300 questions every offseason about every big ticket free agent? And what is the downside to letting people know you're not in on these guys? The only thing that comes from them keeping their 5-year policy a secret is that more agents can create ******** rumors about the Jays being in on their guys to milk money out of other teams, and all that does is give false hope to casual Jays fans who flip out everytime it turns out the Jays "missed" the guy.

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Jenn ‏@Baseball_Jenn 42m42 minutes ago

AA on Shields: The #BlueJays are monitoring all the free agents that are out there. Don't see us doing a large deal for anyone.

 

Jenn ‏@Baseball_Jenn 41m41 minutes ago

AA: Any long-term deal would have to be backloaded. Too many arbitration-eligible players; want to keep control of EE and JBau. #BlueJays

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well (since there are countless examples of really bad long term deals) I guess there are different definitions of "the right player."

 

Clearly the team thinks they are signing the right player whenever they go longer than 5 years. If the Jays did, they would think so too.

 

If anything, maybe it's a statement from ownership telling them they won't go longer than 5 years, so things could change from their perspective and it's not necessarily AA/Beeston making the call. AA seemed really behind it, but he could also be a puppet.

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Jenn ‏@Baseball_Jenn 42m42 minutes ago

AA on Shields: The #BlueJays are monitoring all the free agents that are out there. Don't see us doing a large deal for anyone.

 

Jenn ‏@Baseball_Jenn 41m41 minutes ago

AA: Any long-term deal would have to be backloaded. Too many arbitration-eligible players; want to keep control of EE and JBau. #BlueJays

 

Damn you AA!

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The 5-year limit is embarrassing. Not so much that they haven't gone over 5 years, but because there's no need for a hard policy like that. Evaluate every situation individually. There are cases where going 6 or even 7 years can make sense.

 

We're the only team that has publicly announced such a policy. It's basically neutered our bargaining position.

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Do you guys really think you can fluke into the playoffs without spending more money to put a winner on the field? This in spite of the moves you've made which you're now so ridiculously proud of it's borderline impairing your judgement to address the rest of the holes on your team.. Edited by jays76
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Do you guys really think you can fluke into the playoffs without spending more money to put a winner on the field? This in spite of the moves you've made that you're so ridiculously proud of it's now borderline impairing your judgement to address the rest of the holes on your team..

 

Thank you for this valuable insight; we will make a very concerted effort to address the remaining holes on our roster to supply you and the other viewers with a product you are more likely to watch. Your criticism is appreciated.

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In addition to this, LaCava was also on the Network today, when joined MLB Now to discuss the farm system.

 

Link here: http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/7417714/v37207135/blue-jays-assistant-gm-lacava-on-teams-farm-system

 

Haven't heard it yet so I'm not sure if there's anything of substance, but it's always interesting to get insight from others inside the FO.

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