2015 HOF thread

[TwistedLogic]

And go here to read up on one of the better hall-related pieces you'll find this year, detailing what is probably the most irrelevant but probably the most significant ballot, drawn up each year by Jay Jaffe, who doesn't yet have an official vote but perennially influences the votes of many others.

 

If Bonds and Clemens ever make it into the hall, it'll probably be in large part because of this guy.

[Spanky99]

And go here to read up on one of the better hall-related pieces you'll find this year, detailing what is probably the most irrelevant but probably the most significant ballot, drawn up each year by Jay Jaffe, who doesn't yet have an official vote but perennially influences the votes of many others.

 

If Bonds and Clemens ever make it into the hall, it'll probably be in large part because of this guy.

 

Somtimes Jay Jaffe gets on my nerves, but I love when he does this as his mission, every year, lol. He loves chewing out the dinosaurs and guys/girls that have a vote, with know care or coverage of the sport. As the Hurl always says, it strums up debate every year.

[TwistedLogic]

My 2015 ballot would read as follows (in order of induction priority; including fWAR and historical rank at primary position):

 

http://i.gyazo.com/3f5e1eb035fffe438342de62083d4d5a.png

Snubs: Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, John Smoltz, Larry Walker, Mark McGwire

 

Assuming that Johnson, Pedro and Biggio are inducted in 2015, my 2016 ballot would look like:

 

http://i.gyazo.com/acd30c5332a94c856493a1ae978834cb.png

Snubs: Roger Clemens, Trevor Hoffman, Larry Walker, Mark McGwire

 

Assuming Griffey, Smoltz and Piazza are then inducted in 2016, and Trammell runs out of time, 2017 would be something like:

 

http://i.gyazo.com/7e2a4280e025e69e58ddf9bf53882c07.png

Snubs: Manny Ramirez, Jim Edmonds

[Jimcanuck]

Where Raines played has zero to do with his voting situation. His issue is the coke...pure and simple.

 

At a time when coke was a recreational drug and quite likely half of MLB was using. Didn't Boggs allude to his own use, while he was f***ing the girl he had in each city?

[Boxcar]

Some guys are only putting down like 5 names. What a goddamn joke. Also lol@Smoltz doing so well. Ugh.

[Brownie19]

Barry Bonds fangraphs page is one of my fav things to look at when i'm bored. It's insane.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1109&position=OF

 

Jesus.

 

Even when he wasn't on the roids he was frigging amazing.

 

Except you don't even know when that was...

[GeorgiaPeach]

Anybody ever been to an Induction ceremony?

 

I'm heading down this year and was wondering what it was like and if there's any other special/cool things they do during the weekend.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Exactly, he had it in his uni, lol.

 

And if he didn't, then he'd be in like Molitor.

[Spanky99]

And if he didn't, then he'd be in like Molitor.

 

Molitor was just doing it off chicks tits , or was that Grant Fuhr?

[LongTimeReader]

Anybody ever been to an Induction ceremony?

 

I'm heading down this year and was wondering what it was like and if there's any other special/cool things they do during the weekend.

 

I was at the Canadian one this year, saw Paul Beaston and he said hello to me before I even recognized him (nice guy).

[TheHurl]

I was at the Canadian one this year, saw Paul Beaston and he said hello to me before I even recognized him (nice guy).

 

Were you bartending?

[LongTimeReader]

Were you bartending?

 

Drug dealing

[thatoneguy]

Anyone who thinks Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens are not first ballot players is an idiot.

Says the guy that just posted a ballot without the greatest hitter and greatest pitcher of all-time.

 

Just going by the usual non-steroid standards. It's not that I think Clemens and Bonds don't deserve to be in.

 

If I had my pick, Clemens and Bonds would already be in there.

[Jimcanuck]

Just going by the usual non-steroid standards. It's not that I think Clemens and Bonds don't deserve to be in.

 

If I had my pick, Clemens and Bonds would already be in there.

 

It's more of a travesty that Pete Rose is not in. He didn't cheat when he played. He deserves to be in based on performance. That MLB would deny him HOF consideration is petty and vindictive. There are more reasonable ways to apply a disincentive to players/coaches betting on the games.

[TheHurl]

It's more of a travesty that Pete Rose is not in. He didn't cheat when he played. He deserves to be in based on performance. That MLB would deny him HOF consideration is petty and vindictive. There are more reasonable ways to apply a disincentive to players/coaches betting on the games.

 

He's just maybe a shade better than some of the guys that are getting rejected who haven't been implicated.

[TwistedLogic]

Mark McGwire should be in the hall of fame.

 

Unfortunately, there's fourteen other guys on the ballot right now that should be in before him.

[bigpaulie]

Johnson, Martinez, smolts and biggio

[Spanky99]

Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, John Smoltz, Craig Biggio Elected To Hall Of Fame

[burlingtonbandit]

I don't really have a problem with guys like bonds not getting in. When the criteria is sportsmanship, integrity and character as well as ability then its perfectly reasonable why people don't vote them in.

[Spanky99]

Sorry Paulie, didn't see your post, I was in the thread for a bit.

[Spanky99]

Delgado gets dropped. Only 3.8% of votes.

 

You have a link for the BBWA voting?

[KingKat]

Delgado gets dropped. Only 3.8% of votes.

 

Delgado was my favourite player for a long time. I could say I'm dissapointed but I don't really think I am. He just doesn't stand out compared to the players of his era. Some people like to say he's the best clean homerun hitter of his era but who really knows. I'm not really comfortable dividing the pool between the dirty and the clean and that's not only because I don't really mind that players juiced. It's also because the distinction would be impossible to make with any clarity anyways. What if you elect a guy based on a clean assumption and then you find out later that he's dirty? Do you then apologize to McGwire? Better to just consider the whole era tainted and just vote for the best.

[Spanky99]

I thought Bagwell would get in over Smoltz.

[bigpaulie]

losing respect for the HOF every year, make a public statement regarding the steroid era already, this is a ridiculous

[King]

 

almost Heyman!

[burlingtonbandit]

I always find it so interesting to look at the contrast of the big 4 sports. MLB is so against PEDs but in the NFL/NBA if you get caught its a "okay, when will you be back" viewpoint.

[TheHurl]

I always find it so interesting to look at the contrast of the big 4 sports. MLB is so against PEDs but in the NFL/NBA if you get caught its a "okay, when will you be back" viewpoint.

 

Apple pie, history, dads and sons and all the other American things that baseball represents. Congress chose steroids as a distraction for other s*** they wanted to distract the public from in the mid-2000's. Baseball was the only place where the emotional appeal would work. It's a pretty simplistic answer to a complicated question but pretty accurate.

[KingKat]

Apple pie, history, dads and sons and all the other American things that baseball represents. Congress chose steroids as a distraction for other s*** they wanted to distract the public from in the mid-2000's. Baseball was the only place where the emotional appeal would work. It's a pretty simplistic answer to a complicated question but pretty accurate.

 

I think it all started when Bush mentionned it in a State of the Union speach. Bush as a former owner was probably actually concerned with it and being the man he is probably genuinely thought it was a matter or national concern. That gave Congress an opening for the orchestrated outrage of the hearings. I still think it was incredibly unfair to single out four players and ask them to answer for the whole sport. McGwire's career was ruined for simply refusing to lie about a sin most of his peers were committing but never had to answer for themselves. Palmeiro briefly made himself a folk hero by symply lying (a possibility that most reporters refuse to acknowledge at the time). I still get annoyed by the whole thing just thinking about it.

[glory]

In football you can beat your wife, abuse your kids, take PED's, etc, and still be celebrated. In baseball, if you take PED's, you're the scum of the earth.

[TheHurl]

Player Votes 2015% 2014%

Randy Johnson 534 97.3% 1st Year

Pedro Martinez 500 91.1% 1st Year

John Smoltz 455 82.9% 1st Year

Craig Biggio 454 82.7% 74.8%

Less than 75% of vote, but still on ballot.

Mike Piazza 384 69.9% 62.2%

Jeff Bagwell 306 55.7% 54.3%

Tim Raines 302 55.0% 46.1%

Curt Schilling 215 39.2% 29.2%

Roger Clemens 206 37.5% 35.4%

Barry Bonds 202 36.8% 34.7%

Lee Smith 166 30.2% 29.9%

Edgar Martinez 148 27.0% 25.2%

Alan Trammell 138 25.1% 20.8%

Mike Mussina 135 24.6% 20.3%

Jeff Kent 77 14.0% 15.2%

Fred McGriff 71 12.9% 11.7%

Larry Walker 65 11.8% 10.2%

Gary Sheffield 64 11.7% 1st Year

Mark McGwire 55 10.0% 11.0%

Sammy Sosa 36 6.6% 7.2%

Nomar Garciaparra 30 5.5% 1st Year

15 yrs on ballot, will not be on next year's ballot

Don Mattingly 50 9.1% 8.2%

Less than 5%, will not be on next year's ballot

Carlos Delgado 21 3.8% 1st Year

Troy Percival 4 0.7% 1st Year

Aaron Boone 2 0.4% 1st Year

Tom Gordon 2 0.4% 1st Year

Darin Erstad 1 0.2% 1st Year

Brian Giles 0 0.0% 1st Year

Jason Schmidt 0 0.0% 1st Year

Cliff Floyd 0 0.0% 1st Year

Jermaine Dye 0 0.0% 1st Year

Rich Aurilia 0 0.0% 1st Year

Tony Clark 0 0.0% 1st Year

Eddie Guardado 0 0.0% 1st Year