2015 HOF thread

[wamco]

Who gets your vote? 10 votes max. 75 percent needed to get in.

 

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof_2015.shtml

[saskjayfan]

randy Johnson should be a lock and I'd put pedro in too.

[Frenchsoup]

Pedro

Clemens

Randy

Bonds

Raines

 

Bagwell had some monstrous years looking back.

[43211234]

Randy Johnson

Pedro

Barry Bonds

Roger Clemens

Tim Raines

Alan Trammell

Curt Schilling

Jeff Bagwell

Mike Mussina

Larry Walker

[jays4life19]

Barry Bonds fangraphs page is one of my fav things to look at when i'm bored. It's insane.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1109&position=OF

 

Jesus.

 

Even when he wasn't on the roids he was frigging amazing.

[Jimcanuck]

Charley Hustle

[jaysblue]

Barry Bonds fangraphs page is one of my fav things to look at when i'm bored. It's insane.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1109&position=OF

 

Jesus.

 

Even when he wasn't on the roids he was frigging amazing.

 

I wonder how many more seasons he could have played. His 2007 season offensively was amazing as well. Imagine owning him, Randy Johnson, Pedro in fantasy baseball during the late 90's/early 2000's, yikes haha!

[TheHurl]

Any ballot that doesn't include Bonds, Clemens, Johnson and Pedro should be destroyed.

 

My ballot would be those 4

 

Mussina

Raines

Edgar Martinez (how there is talk of David Ortiz as a sure fire HOF'er and Edgar gets barely 25% is unreal to me)

Schilling

Biggio

Bagwell

 

Sorry Larry, Sorry Trammell you just aren't cutting it on my ballot.

[saskjayfan]

Any ballot that doesn't include Bonds, Clemens, Johnson and Pedro should be destroyed.

 

My ballot would be those 4

 

Mussina

Raines

Edgar Martinez (how there is talk of David Ortiz as a sure fire HOF'er and Edgar gets barely 25% is unreal to me)

Schilling

Biggio

Bagwell

 

Sorry Larry, Sorry Trammell you just aren't cutting it on my ballot.

 

Larry did everything well...can you imagine if he actually worked hard.

[thatoneguy]

Big Unit (should be very close to a unanimous vote for him, I would think...I'd like to meet the idiot who doesn't think he is a first ballot)

Pedro

Biggio

Piazza

Smoltz

Edited December 28, 2014 by thatoneguy

[Atothe]

Any ballot that doesn't include Bonds, Clemens, Johnson and Pedro should be destroyed.

 

My ballot would be those 4

 

Mussina

Raines

Edgar Martinez (how there is talk of David Ortiz as a sure fire HOF'er and Edgar gets barely 25% is unreal to me)

Schilling

Biggio

Bagwell

 

Sorry Larry, Sorry Trammell you just aren't cutting it on my ballot.

 

I'd put both walker and trammell in but I agree with everything else

[Stangstag]

Yeah i think it's pretty ridiculous that guys like Bonds won't get into the hall because of idiot voters.

 

Steroids or not, he was one of the best hitters in the game EVER.

[Boxcar]

Big Unit (should be very close to a unanimous vote for him, I would think...I'd like to meet the idiot who doesn't think he is a first ballot)

Pedro

Biggio

Piazza

Smoltz

 

Anyone who thinks Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens are not first ballot players is an idiot.

[Boxcar]

Any ballot that doesn't include Bonds, Clemens, Johnson and Pedro should be destroyed.

 

My ballot would be those 4

 

Mussina

Raines

Edgar Martinez (how there is talk of David Ortiz as a sure fire HOF'er and Edgar gets barely 25% is unreal to me)

Schilling

Biggio

Bagwell

 

Sorry Larry, Sorry Trammell you just aren't cutting it on my ballot.

 

Good thing these goons voted in only 3 guys last year! If Glavine was still there, he might not make my ballot. Tom Glavine is a first ballot hall of famer and Barry Bonds is not. This is the world we live in.

 

Anyway, I'd probably squeeze Walker in over Mussina, otherwise your list is a carbon copy.

[TheHurl]

Big Unit (should be very close to a unanimous vote for him, I would think...I'd like to meet the idiot who doesn't think he is a first ballot)

Pedro

Biggio

Piazza

Smoltz

 

Says the guy that just posted a ballot without the greatest hitter and greatest pitcher of all-time.

[Boxcar]

I'd put both walker and trammell in but I agree with everything else

 

Over who, though? 10 name max. Walker, Trammell and Mussina all belong in the HOF, and at least one may get bumped off the ballot. Nonsense. I hate the BBWAA. Then after the vote, these idiots gloat about not letting in the cheaters who basically wrote their paycheques in the 90s.

 

Jon Heyman gets to use an editor, that is way worse than Barry Bonds using steroids because BB still had to be good at what he did. Both are cheating, no?

[Boxcar]

Says the guy that just posted a ballot without the greatest hitter and greatest pitcher of all-time.

 

From a pure talent standpoint, I'd take Randy Johnson over Clemens. JMO though, can't really go wrong with either.

[TheHurl]

I'd put both walker and trammell in but I agree with everything else

 

I love Walker but he had a .278/.370/.495 line on the road. When you compare that to a non-consideration guy like Cliff Floyd who had a .278/.358/.482 line it is tough to put Walker's name on a ballot IMO.

[NorthOf49]

I love Walker but he had a .278/.370/.495 line on the road. When you compare that to a non-consideration guy like Cliff Floyd who had a .278/.358/.482 line it is tough to put Walker's name on a ballot IMO.

Walker has 68.9 fWAR though, which clears any reasonable standard. And the road numbers weren't bad by any means. It's a 126 wRC+.

 

He's a Hall of Famer.

[TheHurl]

Walker has 68.9 fWAR though, which clears any reasonable standard. And the road numbers weren't bad by any means. It's a 126 wRC+.

 

He's a Hall of Famer.

 

Factor of the ballot stupidity though with all these guys making a point, with only 10 names it's tough to leave anyone off for him. Only name I could leave off for him is Biggio who is one of the top 10 2B's off all time.

 

My question is...if Walker didn't play in Coors would we be having this conversation? I don't think we would.

[Jimcanuck]

Factor of the ballot stupidity though with all these guys making a point, with only 10 names it's tough to leave anyone off for him. Only name I could leave off for him is Biggio who is one of the top 10 2B's off all time.

 

My question is...if Walker didn't play in Coors would we be having this conversation? I don't think we would.

 

Nor would there be one about Raines if he played his prime in the USA

[saskjayfan]

Factor of the ballot stupidity though with all these guys making a point, with only 10 names it's tough to leave anyone off for him. Only name I could leave off for him is Biggio who is one of the top 10 2B's off all time.

 

My question is...if Walker didn't play in Coors would we be having this conversation? I don't think we would.

 

Walker played 6 seasons in Montreal. The big O was the worst hitters park in the MLB. No one adds to Walker's numbers for his time spent in the cavern that was the big O. His .ops in his final season at the big O was .981. The funny thing is, his home stats were slightly better than his away stats when he played for the expos. In his final season as a broken down 38 year old he posted a .989 OPS in St. Louis, a pitchers park and a .780 OPS on the road. His road numbers should have been better than his home numbers. Part of the reason for Walker's home numbers being better in the latter part of his career was due to the all the injuries he played through. Travel and sleeping on the road is hard on the body, but his home numbers were better for his entire career, not just his time in Colorado.

 

Walker's numbers no doubt would have been even better if he hadn't had all his injuries. I remember an interview where he talked about winning the batting title in 2001 basically slapping singles around the last month of the season because that was all he could do. Walker played in an era where some pitchers he had to face were cheating and many around him cheating made his numbers look just really good. He didn't take things too serious. He probably did coast at the end of a few seasons where the playoffs were out of reach.

 

I watched Walker all the time as an Expo and not near enough as a Rocky as we just didn't get the games, but he was amazing. He read the ball so well of the bat, he tracked down everything. He had a cannon for an arm. The defensive stats weren't in place like they are now, but for a board that talks saber metrics when it comes to a HOF discussion we focus on offense. Walker could hit, he could run, he could play defense, he could throw and he could hit for power. He was a legit 5 tool player.

 

Some get hung up on compilation of stats, I like to look at what a guy was like at his peak more than the health and longevity a player had in his career. In 1997 when he won the MVP he hit .366 had an obp of .452 and a slugging percentage of .720. That year his home OPS was 1.169 and his away OPS was 1.176. His numbers were better on the road that year than at home. He stole 33 bases that year as well. To this day he is the only major leaguer to have ever stolen more than 25 bases in a season and have a slugging percentage above .700. Larry Walker at his best was Roy Hobbes.

 

I'm biased as Walker is my favourite player, but if he had played anywhere but Colorado he would be in the HOF because his numbers still would have been fantastic, even if though they would have been less than they came out to be. Now he just gets labelled as a guy people try and ignore because of the coors field effect and almost ignore the fact that his defense was just as impressive as his offense.

[Atothe]

Factor of the ballot stupidity though with all these guys making a point, with only 10 names it's tough to leave anyone off for him. Only name I could leave off for him is Biggio who is one of the top 10 2B's off all time.

 

My question is...if Walker didn't play in Coors would we be having this conversation? I don't think we would.

 

Yes we would, isn't that the point of advance stats to dig through the surface stats?

[TheHurl]

Nor would there be one about Raines if he played his prime in the USA

 

Where Raines played has zero to do with his voting situation. His issue is the coke...pure and simple.

[SpeedyGose]

Barry Bonds fangraphs page is one of my fav things to look at when i'm bored. It's insane.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1109&position=OF

 

Jesus.

 

Even when he wasn't on the roids he was frigging amazing.

 

Lmao, the 37 BB% to 6 K% season kills me every time

[Spanky99]

Where Raines played has zero to do with his voting situation. His issue is the coke...pure and simple.

 

Exactly, he had it in his uni, lol.

[Spanky99]

Yeah i think it's pretty ridiculous that guys like Bonds won't get into the hall because of idiot voters.

 

Steroids or not, he is the best hitter that played the game, EVER.

 

Ftfy...

[Boxcar]

Walker played 6 seasons in Montreal. The big O was the worst hitters park in the MLB. No one adds to Walker's numbers for his time spent in the cavern that was the big O. His .ops in his final season at the big O was .981. The funny thing is, his home stats were slightly better than his away stats when he played for the expos. In his final season as a broken down 38 year old he posted a .989 OPS in St. Louis, a pitchers park and a .780 OPS on the road. His road numbers should have been better than his home numbers. Part of the reason for Walker's home numbers being better in the latter part of his career was due to the all the injuries he played through. Travel and sleeping on the road is hard on the body, but his home numbers were better for his entire career, not just his time in Colorado.

 

Walker's numbers no doubt would have been even better if he hadn't had all his injuries. I remember an interview where he talked about winning the batting title in 2001 basically slapping singles around the last month of the season because that was all he could do. Walker played in an era where some pitchers he had to face were cheating and many around him cheating made his numbers look just really good. He didn't take things too serious. He probably did coast at the end of a few seasons where the playoffs were out of reach.

 

I watched Walker all the time as an Expo and not near enough as a Rocky as we just didn't get the games, but he was amazing. He read the ball so well of the bat, he tracked down everything. He had a cannon for an arm. The defensive stats weren't in place like they are now, but for a board that talks saber metrics when it comes to a HOF discussion we focus on offense. Walker could hit, he could run, he could play defense, he could throw and he could hit for power. He was a legit 5 tool player.

 

Some get hung up on compilation of stats, I like to look at what a guy was like at his peak more than the health and longevity a player had in his career. In 1997 when he won the MVP he hit .366 had an obp of .452 and a slugging percentage of .720. That year his home OPS was 1.169 and his away OPS was 1.176. His numbers were better on the road that year than at home. He stole 33 bases that year as well. To this day he is the only major leaguer to have ever stolen more than 25 bases in a season and have a slugging percentage above .700. Larry Walker at his best was Roy Hobbes.

 

I'm biased as Walker is my favourite player, but if he had played anywhere but Colorado he would be in the HOF because his numbers still would have been fantastic, even if though they would have been less than they came out to be. Now he just gets labelled as a guy people try and ignore because of the coors field effect and almost ignore the fact that his defense was just as impressive as his offense.

 

And you are 100% positive Walker was clean?

[Spanky99]

And you are 100% positive Walker was clean?

 

No s***, no one knows, same as the "Delgado was clean because he was a Blue Jay...derp"...cracks me up everytime

[TwistedLogic]

Big Unit (should be very close to a unanimous vote for him, I would think...I'd like to meet the idiot who doesn't think he is a first ballot)

 

Of the at least 82 writers that have already revealed their ballots to this point, Pedro and Johnson both had been nominated unanimously until this happened.

 

Go here to follow Ryan Thibs' public ballot tracker, where you should find the writer, the source, the nominations, and the Tango score for each of the revealed ballots so far.