Toritani signing?

[ElNik2013]

Why are we trading a 3+ WAR SS again?

 

 

 

Because it's guaranteed that the Jays will easily sign a better SS for cheaper and use the savings to sign a good 2B.

[Candy Maldonado]

I just want to formally apologize to everyone on this thread and this board whom I might have offended with my language and overall poor demeanour in the last couple of days. Frankly, I've been rude without good cause and I am sorry.

 

I have asked the moderators to remove my account and I'm heading over to BBB where hopefully I can start fresh with a more relaxed attitude. I hope there are no hard feelings from anyone on here and I wish this board and its posters the best of luck in the future. It's been fun!!

 

Nothing to apologize for. You got a little heated, big deal. It keeps things entertaining.

[Ziggyy108]

Because it's guaranteed that the Jays will easily sign a better SS for cheaper and use the savings to sign a good 2B.

 

lol.

[Spanky__99]

Because it's guaranteed that the Jays will easily sign a better SS for cheaper and use the savings to sign a good 2B.

 

lol

[Stangstag]

lol.

 

Well obviously if we trade Reyes and they don't replace that WAR, then its a dumb trade. The idea is that trading Reyes allows you to bring in more WAR due to the $ savings.

[Spanky__99]

Well obviously if we trade Reyes and they don't replace that WAR, then its a dumb trade. The idea is that trading Reyes allows you to bring in more WAR due to the $ savings.

 

Wouldn't the Jays have to have a 2B/SS lined up before he's moved, then replace Reyes with another 2B/SS to bring in said WAR, in looking at the thin market, this is near imbossible, that's not even bringing in the money they'd have to eat, with a lousy return. There's nothing wrong with Reyes on this club. The contract sucks, the player doesn't. There's no savings, whatsoever?!

[Atothe]

I just want to formally apologize to everyone on this thread and this board whom I might have offended with my language and overall poor demeanour in the last couple of days. Frankly, I've been rude without good cause and I am sorry.

 

I have asked the moderators to remove my account and I'm heading over to BBB where hopefully I can start fresh with a more relaxed attitude. I hope there are no hard feelings from anyone on here and I wish this board and its posters the best of luck in the future. It's been fun!!

 

No need to leave, you have an opinion. Just move past this

[ElNik2013]

Well obviously if we trade Reyes and they don't replace that WAR, then its a dumb trade. The idea is that trading Reyes allows you to bring in more WAR due to the $ savings.

 

 

 

Like.....

[Angrioter]

Korean IF Kang reportedly to be posted Monday

KBO likely to post shortstop next week; Giants, A's, Mets are reported suitors

 

Korean shortstop Jung-Ho Kang will be posted by the Korean Baseball Organization on Monday, according to FoxSports.com, and should draw plenty of interest.

 

Kang, 27, is a power-hitting shortstop who has spent the last seven seasons playing for the Nexen Heroes. He's coming off a career year in which he hit .354 with 39 home runs, 115 RBIs and a 1.189 OPS in 116 games.

 

While those numbers are eye-popping, Korea professional baseball is an extremely offensive environment; teams averaged 5.7 runs per game last season, compared to Major League Baseball's 4.1 mark.

 

Kang is a career .298/.382/.502 hitter with four seasons of 20-plus homers. He also stole a career-high 21 bases in 2012, but that number dipped to three last season.

Although the shortstop market is thin, many clubs view Kang as a second baseman. CBS Sports reported Monday that the Mets, Giants and A's are interested in the infielder.

The Mets and A's both need middle-infield help, while the CBS Sports report speculates the Giants could move Joe Panik to third (replacing Pablo Sandoval) and put Kang at second.

[Spanky__99]

Korean IF Kang reportedly to be posted Monday

KBO likely to post shortstop next week; Giants, A's, Mets are reported suitors

 

Korean shortstop Jung-Ho Kang will be posted by the Korean Baseball Organization on Monday, according to FoxSports.com, and should draw plenty of interest.

 

Kang, 27, is a power-hitting shortstop who has spent the last seven seasons playing for the Nexen Heroes. He's coming off a career year in which he hit .354 with 39 home runs, 115 RBIs and a 1.189 OPS in 116 games.

 

While those numbers are eye-popping, Korea professional baseball is an extremely offensive environment; teams averaged 5.7 runs per game last season, compared to Major League Baseball's 4.1 mark.

 

Kang is a career .298/.382/.502 hitter with four seasons of 20-plus homers. He also stole a career-high 21 bases in 2012, but that number dipped to three last season.

Although the shortstop market is thin, many clubs view Kang as a second baseman. CBS Sports reported Monday that the Mets, Giants and A's are interested in the infielder.

The Mets and A's both need middle-infield help, while the CBS Sports report speculates the Giants could move Joe Panik to third (replacing Pablo Sandoval) and put Kang at second.

 

I'd eat my hat if we signed him Ang, lol.

[Laika]

Yeah I don't trust any offensive numbers from Korea

[Spanky__99]

Yeah I don't trust any offensive numbers from Korea

 

Too much money, for not knowing what you'll get.

[Angrioter]

Yeah I don't trust any offensive numbers from Korea

 

Felix Pie, Wily Mo Pena, Wily Otanez MVP caliber player

[fapaholic]

I'm hardly an expert on these things but would Reyes defense be any better over at 2nd if we could find a good shortstop instead of a 2B (at least as an option).

 

If so, why don't they just say hey Jose, it's time to move over to 2nd.

 

I get that Jose's SS defense isn't so great anymore, but I'd still hate to lose the bat.

[HERPDERP]

I'm hardly an expert on these things but would Reyes defense be any better over at 2nd if we could find a good shortstop instead of a 2B (at least as an option).

 

If so, why don't they just say hey Jose, it's time to move over to 2nd.

 

I get that Jose's SS defense isn't so great anymore, but I'd still hate to lose the bat.

 

It's kind of hard to ask a player to move a position. Yeah I know, it's the right thing to do. But players have ego's, and they will not like it.

[KingKat]

I just want to formally apologize to everyone on this thread and this board whom I might have offended with my language and overall poor demeanour in the last couple of days. Frankly, I've been rude without good cause and I am sorry.

 

I have asked the moderators to remove my account and I'm heading over to BBB where hopefully I can start fresh with a more relaxed attitude. I hope there are no hard feelings from anyone on here and I wish this board and its posters the best of luck in the future. It's been fun!!

 

To be fair, some people were pretty rude in their replies. No need to leave with your tail between your legs. You didn't do anything ban-worthy and you apologized and that shows maturity. You're not the first to have regrets over an argument and your argument was hardly the ugliest one we've seen. If you're sincere about turning the page and moving on, people typically respect that and do the same.

[Spanky__99]

I'm hardly an expert on these things but would Reyes defense be any better over at 2nd if we could find a good shortstop instead of a 2B (at least as an option).

 

If so, why don't they just say hey Jose, it's time to move over to 2nd.

 

I get that Jose's SS defense isn't so great anymore, but I'd still hate to lose the bat.

 

No.

[fapaholic]

It's kind of hard to ask a player to move a position. Yeah I know, it's the right thing to do. But players have ego's, and they will not like it.

 

Yeah I know, the whole ego thing. However, it just seems they are scared to even consider this option just for fear of offending him, which is dumb.

(Although yeah, maybe they have and we just don't know it.)

 

 

No.

 

ok

[Atothe]

Plus Reyes losing some postional value if you move off shortstop

[TheHurl]

From CJ Nitkowski. If you ask him questions he'll answer them.

 

Kang Jung-Ho.

 

Kang Jung-Ho is going to be the Korean player you'€™ll hear about the most this winter. He is attempting to become the first KBO hitter to make the jump to MLB. We haven'€™t seen very many impact hitters come out of the Far East. Up to this point, Hideki Matsui and Ichiro Suzuki have been the best hitters Asia has sent to MLB.

 

Kang potentially brings something from the KBO that is missing in MLB these days -- power. He slugged 40 homeruns this season, a career high, while posting a .356 batting average and .459 OBP, also career highs.

 

The numbers are eye-popping but again, you have to consider the competition. I pitched in Korea for two years and at one point was a Game 1 starter at age 36. That'€™s not meant to be a knock on the league -- I loved my time there -- but more to give you a gauge of the level of pitching Kang has seen over his career.

 

Defensively, whether or not Kang can play shortstop in the big leagues is a question. An MLB scout told me he has more range than Hanley Ramirez, which is an interesting comparison when you consider the Dodgers need for a shortstop. The arm is plenty strong for short and the hands are good enough. He won't be spectacular defensively, but if he can give you 15-20 homeruns, the tradeoff is probably worth it.

 

He could be a better third baseman than shortstop if a team had a need there. First thought is, does he have enough power to play third base? This is a different era -- in 2014 only five third basemen had 20 homeruns or more. Kang runs rather slow, so speed is not part of his game, but don'€™t confuse that with lack of range. He is very similar to Brett Boone in that regard.

 

Kang has some edge to him, which I always like to see from imported players. He was a good teammate but at the same time is sure of himself. He won'€™t be intimated when coming to the States.

 

Signability won'€™t be an issue either. Kang made $400,000 this past season and his team, the Nexxen Heroes, won'€™t be as steadfast as SK might be with Kim when it comes to a posting fee. He could come rather cheaply, potentially in the $5-8 million range for posting and would likely take any reasonable big-league contract.

 

He'€™s been linked to the Dodgers, but they may be just because the Dodgers appear to have a need at shortstop. It could also be because the Dodgers have the only other player to play in the KBO on their roster in Hyun-Jin Ryu, and Ryu may be making the push to Dodger personnel.

 

At the time when Ryu posted the Dodgers did seem to overpay for the lefty, handing the Hanwha Eagles $25.7 million in posting. But in two years so far, it'€™s turned out to be a smart move. There is a new regime in charge now in Los Angeles, one that is used to being thrifty, but no longer has to be as they get to play with Guggenheim money. We'€™ll see if they beat out everyone else for Kang, a player whose numbers are tantalizing, but whether or not they correlate to major league success remains a mystery.

[saskjayfan]

Yeah I don't trust any offensive numbers from Korea

 

Dude's got some pop. You can't fake bat speed. You either have it or you don't. I'm not sure how he would hit in the mlb, but when he plays next year with whoever and get's a hold of a pitch it's going out. We won't go after this guy because he's probably looking for a 5 year deal and we aren't going to spend the money even if it isn't a big financial commitment.

[Stangstag]

Wouldn't the Jays have to have a 2B/SS lined up before he's moved, then replace Reyes with another 2B/SS to bring in said WAR, in looking at the thin market, this is near imbossible, that's not even bringing in the money they'd have to eat, with a lousy return. There's nothing wrong with Reyes on this club. The contract sucks, the player doesn't. There's no savings, whatsoever?!

 

Trade Reyes, frees up 22million. Sign Toritani for about 4million per and Lowrie for about 12 per. That leaves us with 6 million to work with. Thats my general idea. Its all just hypothetical obviously. In the end we'd probably end up with a similar WAR total, and if thats the case I guess trading Reyes doesn't really make sense.

 

You're right. Its just that its pretty ugly to see Reyes' getting paid 22 million a year for the next 3 seasons. We're probably stuck with him, not that its a terrible thing. Dude just needs to stay healthy

[KingKat]

Yeah he certainly looks like a viable SS, at least in highlight packages

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrmjJs5Ak_Q

 

His throws are awesome. A few of them were low but some of them were just insanely accurate given how awkward his positioning was. Seems like he could throw to an EE level 1B without worry from any of the other infield position.

[Orgfiller]

"Up to this point, Hideki Matsui and Ichiro Suzuki have been the best hitters Asia has sent to MLB."

 

Shin-Soo Choo?

[Spanky__99]

Trade Reyes, frees up 22million. Sign Toritani for about 4million per and Lowrie for about 12 per. That leaves us with 6 million to work with. Thats my general idea. Its all just hypothetical obviously. In the end we'd probably end up with a similar WAR total, and if thats the case I guess trading Reyes doesn't really make sense.

 

You're right. Its just that its pretty ugly to see Reyes' getting paid 22 million a year for the next 3 seasons. We're probably stuck with him, not that its a terrible thing. Dude just needs to stay healthy

 

Nah, it wouldn't be the same this year, but yeah, we're stuck with it, and in terms of value per win, we get a bit...moving forward, not so much, it isn't as bad as people think, relative to health, poses question marks.

[Angrioter]

"Up to this point, Hideki Matsui and Ichiro Suzuki have been the best hitters Asia has sent to MLB."

 

Shin-Soo Choo?

 

Asians non-pitcher with good performance: Ichiro, HMatsuit, Boxy.

[HERPDERP]

Asians non-pitcher with good performance: Ichiro, HMatsuit, Boxy.

 

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/gandalfyoda/boxy-1.jpg

[saskjayfan]

"Up to this point, Hideki Matsui and Ichiro Suzuki have been the best hitters Asia has sent to MLB."

 

Shin-Soo Choo?

 

I think they were referring to hitters who started their careers in asia. Shin soo choo was playing in North America in the minors as an 18 year old. Choo definitely is evidence that we can't categorically dismiss an entire country though. He's had success maybe another Korean born player could succeed..lol

[KingKat]

"Up to this point, Hideki Matsui and Ichiro Suzuki have been the best hitters Asia has sent to MLB."

 

Shin-Soo Choo?

 

He was developped in the States. The article should have brought that up and at least explained why his case is different rather than leave him out and leave readers guessing why it doesn't mention the most successful Korean hitter of all time.

[TheHurl]

He was developped in the States. The article should have brought that up and at least explained why his case is different rather than leave him out and leave readers guessing why he doesn't mention the most successful Korean hitter of all time.

 

He's a pitcher writing a blog. This is brilliant analysis compared to what most pitchers would write