Blue Jays seeking replacement for Beeston

[IBleedOrange]

Execs aren't players, my Oriole friend.

 

Are you saying he can't be "Traded"? Since thats exactly what this will end up being if he does go to Toronto. Angelos has no intention of letting him go there without getting fair value back in return.

[IBleedOrange]

What you guys are failing to understand is it will happen regardless of whether you feel it needs to or not. If Angelos doesn't budget, a third party will make it happen. It's basic business practice.

 

I'd like to hear all these clowns responses to being denied the opportunity to advance their careers.

 

Theres no official rule in MLB that you have to allow someone to go for a promotion. Its just an unwritten rule. MLB can try to pressure him but thats about it.

 

I agree Angelos is being a bit possessive and selfish here, but thats who he is and theres nothing that can really be done about it since Duquette has signed a contract with the Orioles.

[BTS]

From a Buster Olney insider article:

 

 

 

I think Hoffman and Urena would be fair compensation. If the Jays don't want to pay it, both sides can just move on. We have no need to trade him, he's signed here for a long time and is doing a very good job.

 

Regardless of what you feel is fair, there is zero precedent for that compensation. You like Duquette, so to you this feels different then every other similar situation, but it isn't. In the end if Duquette wants to come he'll come for a Pillar/Burns type, and if he doesn't want to come this will die.

[IBleedOrange]

Regardless of what you feel is fair, there is zero precedent for that compensation. You like Duquette, so to you this feels different then every other similar situation, but it isn't. In the end if Duquette wants to come he'll come for a Pillar/Burns type, and if he doesn't want to come this will die.

 

I don't think he's worth it either. Personally, I think he's worth maybe a middle reliever or 4th outfielder type... but thats only if the Orioles feel they need to let him go and they'll take whatever they can get. The O's feel no need to give him up just because the Jays want him, so they'll try to get as much as they can or they won't let him go at all.

[Pulk_Pull]

Are you saying he can't be "Traded"? Since thats exactly what this will end up being if he does go to Toronto. Angelos has no intention of letting him go there without getting fair value back in return.

 

Yes, I am saying he can't be traded. Hence why the term 'compensation' is used in this process. Note how the second one ended in a stalemate in which the MLB decided. Showing Boston in this case, really had no control as the MLB was brought in to mediate (albeit they settled outside of some form of arbitration).

 

"Farrell’s long-rumoured return to the Boston Red Sox is a done deal. The Blue Jays confirmed Sunday that they have released Farrell from the final year of his contract and received infielder Mike Aviles from Boston as compensation. The Jays also sent minor-league pitcher David Carpenter to the Red Sox."

 

"The Chicago Cubs are sending relief pitcher Chris Carpenter to the Boston Red Sox as compensation for hiring Theo Epstein as president of baseball operations.

 

The Cubs and Red Sox will also exchange players to be named at a later date.

 

The sides had been unable to agree on compensation since Epstein left as general manager of the Red Sox in October. The matter was eventually passed on to commissioner Bud Selig and both sides submitted written arguments to Selig last week. But Epstein indicated Tuesday that the sides finally agreed on their own."

[BTS]

I don't think he's worth it either. Personally, I think he's worth maybe a middle reliever or 4th outfielder type. But thats only if the Orioles feel they need to let him go and they'll take whatever they can get. The O's feel no need to give him up just because the Jays want him, so they'll try to get as much as they can or they won't let him go at all.

 

Where we differ is that I don't think an organization would actually continue on with a GM that wanted to leave for a promotion but wasn't able to because his boss demanded compensation far beyond any precedent. It makes Angelos look petty, and creates a poor front office environment.

[L54]

I don't think he's worth it either. Personally, I think he's worth maybe a middle reliever or 4th outfielder type. But thats only if the Orioles feel they need to let him go and they'll take whatever they can get. The O's feel no need to give him up just because the Jays want him, so they'll try to get as much as they can or they won't let him go at all.

 

Yes, he will. The longer he drags this out, the more difficult it will be for Baltimore to employ front office people in the future.

[IBleedOrange]

Where we differ is that I don't think an organization would actually continue on with a GM that wanted to leave for a promotion but wasn't able to because his boss demanded compensation far beyond any precedent. It makes Angelos look petty, and creates a poor front office environment.

 

Angelos is really stubborn and he's done this kind of thing in the past where he doesn't care about the feelings of his employees (he's denied several of our coaches for promotions over the years), he just does what he wants. And honestly that has been a big problem with the organization in the past and caused people to leave, but thats another story. But the point is I don't see the fact Duquette wouldn't be happy being denied a promotion really mattering to Angelos.

[BTS]

Angelos is really stubborn and he's done this kind of thing in the past where he doesn't care about the feelings of his employees (he's denied several of our coaches for promotions over the years), he just does what he wants. And honestly that has been a big problem with the organization in the past and caused people to leave, but thats another story. But the point is I don't see the fact Duquette wouldn't be happy being denied a promotion really mattering to Angelos.

 

You know him better than I do, but forcing your GM to continue on for 4 years in a job he tried to leave seems like a very, very bad idea.

[BTS]

While you guys are here, what's happening with Matusz? He getting traded? I have him in my league, give me the inside scoop.

[Pulk_Pull]

Angelos is really stubborn and he's done this kind of thing in the past where he doesn't care about the feelings of his employees (he's denied several of our coaches for promotions over the years), he just does what he wants. And honestly that has been a big problem with the organization in the past and caused people to leave, but thats another story. But the point is I don't see the fact Duquette wouldn't be happy being denied a promotion really mattering to Angelos.

 

Doesn't that scare you as an O's fan? Wouldn't you want your GM to be happy? (Asking your opinion given we assume Angelos doesn't care either way)

[Chappy]

Theres no official rule in MLB that you have to allow someone to go for a promotion. Its just an unwritten rule. MLB can try to pressure him but thats about it.

 

I agree Angelos is being a bit possessive and selfish here, but thats who he is and theres nothing that can really be done about it since Duquette has signed a contract with the Orioles.

 

Angelos is only hurting his team with this nonsense the longer he drags it out. If it were a lateral move then he would be completely right here, but preventing someone from moving on for a significant promotion is kind of pathetic. Good luck trying to keep future execs around knowing their boss will try and squash opportunities for advancement.

[King]

SteveO from Orioles Hangout

 

 

Lol well if we trade DD to Toronto, any chance we can make him take that stupid Ubaldo contract with him

 

 

DD, Ubaldo and Matusz for Norris and Pompey.....works for me.

 

 

[L54]

SteveO from Orioles Hangout

 

Lol

[Baltbballfan]

While you guys are here, what's happening with Matusz? He getting traded? I have him in my league, give me the inside scoop.

 

I think he gets packaged in a deal somewhere. With the pick up of Wright who also seems like a LOOGY, Matusz seems redundant.

 

He had an awesome curve ball and change up. I really wanted him to pan out. He belongs in the East though. He seems to get David Ortiz out every at bat haha.

[King]

Hey O's fans, tell your buddy Weams to give us all posting rights on the Orioles Hangout.

[bronson44]

Orioles list of possible replacements:

 

According to an industry source, that list -- compiled in the past month -- includes four high-profile former general managers: Ned Colletti, Kevin Towers, Omar Minaya and Kevin Malone, who spent a few years in the mid-1990s as an Orioles assistant general manager.

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/bal-orioles-have-list-of-highprofile-exgms-in-case-duquette-leaves-20150115-story.html

[Baltbballfan]

Hey O's fans, tell your buddy Weams to give us all posting rights on the Orioles Hangout.

 

To be honest, I barely post there. Not that I dislike the Hangout as I visit there daily. There's some good guys over there that know a lot about baseball. I just posted here so that I can get another fan's opinion.

[Deadpool]

SteveO from Orioles Hangout

 

That's some quality delusion right there!

[BTS]

I think he gets packaged in a deal somewhere. With the pick up of Wright who also seems like a LOOGY, Matusz seems redundant.

 

He had an awesome curve ball and change up. I really wanted him to pan out. He belongs in the East though. He seems to get David Ortiz out every at bat haha.

 

The rumoured Snider/Matusz deal would have been nice for both sides. Too bad it fell through.

[BTS]

Orioles list of possible replacements:

 

According to an industry source, that list -- compiled in the past month -- includes four high-profile former general managers: Ned Colletti, Kevin Towers, Omar Minaya and Kevin Malone, who spent a few years in the mid-1990s as an Orioles assistant general manager.

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/bal-orioles-have-list-of-highprofile-exgms-in-case-duquette-leaves-20150115-story.html

 

Ned Colletti please, for the love of God. He'd tank that org in no time.

[L54]

Orioles list of possible replacements:

 

According to an industry source, that list -- compiled in the past month -- includes four high-profile former general managers: Ned Colletti, Kevin Towers, Omar Minaya and Kevin Malone, who spent a few years in the mid-1990s as an Orioles assistant general manager.

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/bal-orioles-have-list-of-highprofile-exgms-in-case-duquette-leaves-20150115-story.html

 

Please choose Kevin Towers.

[Pulk_Pull]

I can understand why O's fans would be upset with this. While it is a natural course of business, it still stings knowing your GM may be leaving mid-offseason for a division foe. Especially after a somewhat uneventful offseason so far.

[Baltbballfan]

Not to derail this thread, but yea I wanted that to happen. Matusz isn't going to do much. And to be honest, I think Wright is better if used the same as Matusz. I thought Snider was actually more than fair value for him.

[Baltbballfan]

I can understand why O's fans would be upset with this. While it is a natural course of business, it still stings knowing your GM may be leaving mid-offseason for a division foe. Especially after a somewhat uneventful offseason so far.

 

I'm disappointed. It sucks knowing we have been good recently, and that the guy who put it together is leaving. It would be one thing if we sucked and were going nowhere.

 

Honestly, I don't think there were any moves to be made on FA and the trade market seemed dry. I'm a guy with three Markakis jersey's, I wasn't disappointed he wasn't resigned for 40 million dollars. I wanted to keep Miller, but 9 million is a lot to pay for a set up man. I really thought the Nelson Cruz contract was fair. We would probably have to eat year 4 and maybe 3, but you kind of have to do that when signing big players. You pay for immediate production and not future production in baseball.Especially free agency.

[Spanky99]

lulz

[IBleedOrange]

The bottom line is, regardless if Duquette comes to Toronto or not, you can't go back. He can't stay in Baltimore without this big distraction cloud hanging over his head. That's just what the situation is now, like it or not.

 

If the O's didn't have the intention of bringing him back, he'd be in Toronto already. He's going to be there whether he wants to be or not unless the Jays give in... so now its up to Duquette to show whether he's a professional or not. Once his contract is up, he won't be able to get another job if he shows that he will let something like this distract him from doing his job and half ass it.

[Deadpool]

I'm disappointed. It sucks knowing we have been good recently, and that the guy who put it together is leaving. It would be one thing if we sucked and were going nowhere.

 

Honestly, I don't think there were any moves to be made on FA and the trade market seemed dry. I'm a guy with three Markakis jersey's, I wasn't disappointed he wasn't resigned for 40 million dollars. I wanted to keep Miller, but 9 million is a lot to pay for a set up man. I really thought the Nelson Cruz contract was fair. We would probably have to eat year 4 and maybe 3, but you kind of have to do that when signing big players. You pay for immediate production and not future production in baseball.Especially free agency.

 

I think, in the long run, you'll be happy that you guys didn't re-sign Markakis. It's s***** watching a guy who grew up with the team go like that, but I can't believe he'll be worth the contract he signed, his skills are diminishing quite a bit. He's probably a league average player in 2015, and probably below average moving on.

[dineke]

Jerry Howarth + Mike Wilner for DD is fair. Maybe a little bit of cash thrown in by the O's.

[BTS]

I'm disappointed. It sucks knowing we have been good recently, and that the guy who put it together is leaving. It would be one thing if we sucked and were going nowhere.

 

Honestly, I don't think there were any moves to be made on FA and the trade market seemed dry. I'm a guy with three Markakis jersey's, I wasn't disappointed he wasn't resigned for 40 million dollars. I wanted to keep Miller, but 9 million is a lot to pay for a set up man. I really thought the Nelson Cruz contract was fair. We would probably have to eat year 4 and maybe 3, but you kind of have to do that when signing big players. You pay for immediate production and not future production in baseball.Especially free agency.

 

The Markakis deal was awful. I think letting all three walk was the right move. OF is fine with Pearce/Jones/De Aza and maybe a platoon partner for De Aza.

 

They really should do something about the rotation though. I've been saying it for years, and they keep winning, but the rotation is not good.