Markakis vs Melky

[King]

I don't think I would count 2013 as a below average year for Melky. I have no material statistical data to support this, but I'm pretty sure hitting .279 and posting a .682 OPS playing 88 games with a tumour on your spine is above average for those playing with that condition. There's no one to compare him too, because when you can hardly run and it hurts to sit down on a couch you generally don't play baseball. I don't think people who have never suffered back pain truly understand the pain he endured while playing.

 

86 wRC+ is indeed below average.

[saskjayfan]

86 wRC+ is indeed below average.

 

yeah, and if a guy had a wRC+ of 86 and only used one hand when swinging the bat, I'd probably throw that year out when considering his true talent. I know thinking outside the box and considering something other than the numbers. Don't let your head explode.

[Captain Adama]

yeah, and if a guy had a wRC+ of 86 and only used one hand when swinging the bat, I'd probably throw that year out when considering his true talent. I know thinking outside the box and considering something other than the numbers. Don't let your head explode.

 

Who gives a s***? The topic being discussed was that Melky had a season where he was a below average hitter in the past 3 years, injury or not. Even during the time where Saunders was injured in the 3 year sample he was at the very least an average hitter, so your personal tirade doesn't matter.

[gruber92]

Who gives a s***? The topic being discussed was that Melky had a season where he was a below average hitter in the past 3 years, injury or not. Even during the time where Saunders was injured in the 3 year sample he was at the very least an average hitter, so your personal tirade doesn't matter.

 

Are you serious? The guy had a f***ing tumour on his spine while he was playing.

[Captain Adama]

Are you serious? The guy had a f***ing tumour on his spine while he was playing.

 

The fact that he said that Melky played as an above average hitter in 2013 even when he wasn't was what was nuts. He probably shouldn't of even played in 2013 anyway, considering he was a below replacement player. In no way was he above average. And if you're gonna retort to me that Melky is now a much better option is also bull, the money he's gonna want from the Jays is gonna drain resources that would be much better spent on a 2B or a good starter. Saunders is a great option who's almost as good as Cabrera and who'd be much cheaper and on the right side of 30. Plus, if/when Melky signs with another team, they get back a 1st round pick providing even extra value. It's not hard to figure out.

[saskjayfan]

Who gives a s***? The topic being discussed was that Melky had a season where he was a below average hitter in the past 3 years, injury or not. Even during the time where Saunders was injured in the 3 year sample he was at the very least an average hitter, so your personal tirade doesn't matter.

 

lol...my personal tirade. When you are considering resigning a guy and you are questioning it because of a down year it is relevant. You have to consider were there any reasons for that down year? There wasn't just an explanation for that down year, there was a really good explanation. Saunders didn't go through what Melky did. 99% of players would not have played through the pain Melky did.

 

If you want to say, don't sign Melky because the dollars are too much, his defense is poor, you want the pick, then fine. I tend to find myself agreeing with those arguments, but I have every confidence that Melky will be an above average hitter for years to come. The guy is a professional hitter.

[gruber92]

The fact that he said that Melky played as an above average hitter in 2013 even when he wasn't was what was nuts. He probably shouldn't of even played in 2013 anyway, considering he was a below replacement player. In no way was he above average. And if you're gonna retort to me that Melky is now a much better option is also bull, the money he's gonna want from the Jays is gonna drain resources that would be much better spent on a 2B or a good starter. Saunders is a great option who's almost as good as Cabrera and who'd be much cheaper and on the right side of 30. Plus, if/when Melky signs with another team, they get back a 1st round pick providing even extra value. It's not hard to figure out.

 

I think he meant the numbers he put up with a tumour on his spine is above average, not in general, although nothing to compare it to. I agree signing someone close to Melky's numbers while gaining a first round pick is probably the way to go. We need table setters though, which Saunders is not. Markakis or Aoki, although I'm not a fan of the latter's defence.

[Governator]

Saunders' biggest question mark is his health, he's as much of a wild card as Lawrie when it comes to durability. However, I'd have to agree now that if the Jays acquire him they'd save that money for other areas plus have a draft pick. Otherwise I say sign Aoki as the lowest cost for highest return. Not to mention he'd be an ideal #9 bat in this line up.

[ineedsheet]

i think for whatever reason (i have been doing this too) we are overlooking AA's quest to get healthier. i don't think its a coincidence we replaced our most injury prone player with one that would be the most durable player on the team.

 

i do love saunders from a statistical standpoint--but i think he's a lock to miss 20-30 games, and that's optimistic.

 

man i think he would look really good in our lineup...

 

i think if we play fowler in left it will negate some of his horrible defense... a good example would be shin soo choo (before this season)... horrible numbers in CF, but an average/above average corner outfielder.

[ineedsheet]

From Jeff Sullivan's FG chat:

 

Jeff Sullivan: You’re in the ballpark, but the Nationals aren’t really looking to move Souza. He looks to be part of the plan in 2015 and a bigger part of the plan in 2016, so if you move Souza to plug another hole, then you just have a Souza-sized hole elsewhere. They want to turn short-term value into long-term value, not long-term value into different long-term value

 

I can't post the link from my phone for some reason but it was today's chat. Pretty much cancels out any hope for Souza. Lots of Jays related stuff today. Basically says Michael Saunders is the best fit over Melky/Markakis.

 

wait...

 

so was sullivan implying that trading goins or loup for souza wouldn't get it done?!?!

 

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