Jay Bruce

[Laika]

Melky wants a five year deal and Aaron Sanchez would reasonably project to have a ~zero WAR career.

 

Jay Bruce was poopy last year but that's pretty much the only reason he's available. Four win player before that.

 

Big strong country kid.

 

Toronto trades for players because free agents don't come here

 

You guys are all so dum

[Nox]

We could get Votto cheaper

 

Except, you know, his contract.

[Sammy225]

Melky wants a five year deal and Aaron Sanchez would reasonably project to have a ~zero WAR career.

 

Jay Bruce was poopy last year but that's pretty much the only reason he's available. Four win player before that.

 

Big strong country kid.

 

Toronto trades for players because free agents don't come here

 

You guys are all so dum

 

Ok easy there Pat lol.... I don't know I kind think that if your going to trade for Bruce why not go with Gump....They walk at about the same rate both have high strikeout rate, Bruce as a bit more power..... but 1 season off of being 4 war players..... One won't cost you Sanchez

 

P.S I don't want Gump back, in my eyes your not likely to get much more then what gump would give you.

[Nox]

Melky wants a five year deal and Aaron Sanchez would reasonably project to have a ~zero WAR career.

 

Jay Bruce was poopy last year but that's pretty much the only reason he's available. Four win player before that.

 

Big strong country kid.

 

Toronto trades for players because free agents don't come here

 

You guys are all so dum

 

Somehow had no idea Jay Bruce put up -1 WAR last year.

 

Thought this was a very good idea at first but now unsure.

 

All for getting rid of Sanchez at the peak of his value tho obv.

[KingKat]

Have to wonder what the Reds know about Bruce that we don't. It doesn't make sense to trade him unless you think he's not coming back from whatever happened to him.

[Frenchsoup]

Why not sign Tomas who is younger, more upside, and won't cost any prospects? The braves are trying to dump Upton to sign him.

 

Yes, we got an opening at DH and the guy would love to hit at the rogers center for his next contract.

[L54]

Shaky starter? How about you let him actually start a game first. Also he was closing games last year not 8th inning guy

 

I think this board has to temper expectations on prospects. I'm just being real here.

Sanchez has been shaky as a starter his entire professional career. Walk rate worrisome. Ya he fit into the back end of a Jays bullpen that wasn't going to the playoffs.

I'm not saying trading him for Bruce is the right call (haven't really thought much about it, tbh). But in reality, Sanchez probably ends up as a good back end of the bullpen when his career is said and done. His value, to the Toronto Blue Jays is probably highest in a trade that nets a long term asset, or a glaring need.

[L54]

This Cinderella dream of a Stroman, Hoffmann, Norris, Sanchez, Hutch rotation come 2017 needs to be put to rest, IMO. Prospects bust. All the time. What AA needs to do is identify which ones he thinks will bust, and trade them at peak value.

 

Exhibit 1: Aaron Sanchez

[AdamGreenwood]

Bruce is projected to provide 1.4 WAR next year, for the low cost of only $12.5 million, and the best prospect in our system.

 

Hmmmm, that sounds great.

[Frenchsoup]

This Cinderella dream of a Stroman, Hoffmann, Norris, Sanchez, Hutch rotation come 2017 needs to be put to rest, IMO. Prospects bust. All the time. What AA needs to do is identify which ones he thinks will bust, and trade them at peak value.

 

Exhibit 1: Aaron Sanchez

 

You think this is his peak though? If teams saw him in the rotation and he did well, to me that would be his peak. There is obviously the risk of him being terrible though.

[RealAccountant]

Did people here actually watch Sanchez pitch last year,

[Laika]

Bruce is projected to provide 1.4 WAR next year, for the low cost of only $12.5 million, and the best prospect in our system.

 

Hmmmm, that sounds great.

 

So now Steamer is gospel? Ok.

 

Bruce tore meniscus in his knee and had surgery in May. Could conceivably have fudged his swing and sent his season down the tubes.

 

Maybe he'd cost less than Sanchez. I dunno.

[KingKat]

So now Steamer is gospel? Ok.

 

Bruce tore meniscus in his knee and had surgery in May. Could conceivably have fudged his swing and sent his season down the tubes.

 

Makes a ton of sense which begs the question why don't the Reds give him a chance to re-establish his value before moving him?

[GNick49]

Hutchinson I would offer up but not Stroman or Sanchez

[Sammy225]

This Cinderella dream of a Stroman, Hoffmann, Norris, Sanchez, Hutch rotation come 2017 needs to be put to rest, IMO. Prospects bust. All the time. What AA needs to do is identify which ones he thinks will bust, and trade them at peak value.

 

Exhibit 1: Aaron Sanchez

 

The issue that i have is that you want to trade him off for a guy who put up a negative WAR last season because he "MIGHT" bust because some prospects do.... And i am sure your one of the guys that gets mad at AA for bad Value management on prospects (which he does).

[Laika]

Hutch > Sanch

[Frenchsoup]

Hutch > Sanch

 

If you put a gun to my head i would have to go with Sanchez. The upside is far to great compared to hutch.

[Blitz]

Let's take Votto.

 

If there was any chance at Joey Votto, the Jays need to friggin take it. That's one ugly contract but he instantly solidifies the right side until 2024... Edwin is alright at first, but Votto is GREAT there... and they can both destroy a ball.

 

I am not completely struck on Bruce, if we are gonna pay somebody that much $$$/yr we might as well call Melky back and offer it to him, no?

[Spanky99]

Why would Bruce be available? Do the Reds have any up and coming LF?

 

lol...too funny.

[Jimcanuck]

Somehow had no idea Jay Bruce put up -1 WAR last year.

 

Thought this was a very good idea at first but now unsure.

 

All for getting rid of Sanchez at the peak of his value tho obv.

 

You gonna regret writing that about Sanchize

[KingKat]

If you put a gun to my head i would have to go with Sanchez. The upside is far to great compared to hutch.

 

Hutch just accomplished what people are hoping Sanchez can do. I don't understand how people can in one breath say "imagine what Sanchez could do as a starter" while dismissing what Huch actually did as a starter. Huch isn't some fluke either. He was a much better starting pitcher than Sanchez in the minors too. At some point, results have to start weighing more than prospect hype. Hutch gets results. Sanchez offers the promise of results. The former is more valuable than the later.

[Laika]

Sanchez is most likely one of those prospect types that just can't start, but can be pretty good in a relief role.

 

Agree.

 

Actually I thought / still think similar things about Drabek....

[AdamGreenwood]

Sanchez is most likely one of those prospect types that just can't start, but can be pretty good in a relief role.

 

JFaS is likely one of those poster types that just can't analyze pitchers, but can be pretty good in an admin role.

[saskjayfan]

Sanchez is most likely one of those prospect types that just can't start, but can be pretty good in a relief role.

 

What don't you like? Is it his fastball, curve, change the inability to develop a slider that will cause him to fail as a starter? Or are you simply looking at his minor league stats? His minor league career consists of stats compiled from ages 17 to 21. He posted a 3.51 ERA with 8.8Ks per 9, 4.8 walks per 9, .5 HR per 9 and 7.3 hits per 9. Those stats aren't even that bad. He's only 22 years old.

[L54]

What don't you like? Is it his fastball, curve, change the inability to develop a slider that will cause him to fail as a starter? Or are you simply looking at his minor league stats? His minor league career consists of stats compiled from ages 17 to 21. He posted a 3.51 ERA with 8.8Ks per 9, 4.8 walks per 9, .5 HR per 9 and 7.3 hits per 9. Those stats aren't even that bad. He's only 22 years old.

 

5 walks per nine is pretty bad

[burlingtonbandit]

What don't you like? Is it his fastball, curve, change the inability to develop a slider that will cause him to fail as a starter? Or are you simply looking at his minor league stats? His minor league career consists of stats compiled from ages 17 to 21. He posted a 3.51 ERA with 8.8Ks per 9, 4.8 walks per 9, .5 HR per 9 and 7.3 hits per 9. Those stats aren't even that bad. He's only 22 years old.

 

Its probably the minor stats, the delivery, below average changeup and command outings larger than a few innings.

[Jimcanuck]

Agree.

 

Actually I thought / still think similar things about Drabek....

 

Drabek 2.73 BB/9 in 32 games Buffalo.... could be a viable bullpen piece

[L54]

You think this is his peak though? If teams saw him in the rotation and he did well, to me that would be his peak. There is obviously the risk of him being terrible though.

 

To me, I don't see him being successful as a major league starter if he can't address the walks. The big league sample was encouraging, but not enough for me to believe it has been fixed.

 

That's why his value may have reached its pinnacle. Success in the majors (in a SSS). If he comes out next year and blows up, either in the pen on the rotation, we're looking at another Drabek situation.

[L54]

The issue that i have is that you want to trade him off for a guy who put up a negative WAR last season because he "MIGHT" bust because some prospects do.... And i am sure your one of the guys that gets mad at AA for bad Value management on prospects (which he does).

 

Can't say I've once stated "trade Sanchez for Bruce". What I did elude to was that I feel Sanchez is more valuable as a trade asset than in the rotation or pen, long term.

[burlingtonbandit]

Drabek 2.73 BB/9 in 32 games Buffalo.... could be a viable bullpen piece

 

He also lost his stuff after the most recent TJS. Fastball is more 91 than 95 now.