Anthony Gose traded to Tigers for Devon Travis

[jays4life19]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-top-10-prospects-for-2015-by-projected-war/

 

 

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[Angrioter]

So where does this put our team. I assume AA has Izturis and Lawrie so he wont be looking for a 2B anymore, its right to the bullpen than I suppose

 

We need Headley, Martin and cheap bullpen guys (NO Miller, DavidRo or Francisco please)

[Chappy]

This is a good move for both teams for obvious reasons. We now have a league min guy with some decent potential to at least fill a black hole, plus he has options which is really important considering Gose was out of options. I would still like to see AA go after another infielder at this point and start Travis in AAA to begin the season. Same goes for CF, I'd prefer Pompey to start the season in AAA. We will need the depth and I hope AA isn't banking on two rookies in a supposedly contending season. So far AA has had a good offseason, so maybe he's on to something here.

[kgm1]

Yeah. People are acting like Travis is a solid bet to come in and be a league-average starter. That's probably not going to happen yet.

 

It's a trade for needs. Tigers need a CF and the Jays need a 2nd baseman. I suspect Gose will put up more WAR than Travis over the next 5 years. Posters think because he is the Tigers #1 prospect he must be something . He isn't ! Tigers have one of the worst systems in baseball right down there with the Angels.

 

I suspect this means we aren't getting a Cuban infielder this winter.

[Chappy]

We need Headley, Martin and cheap bullpen guys (NO Miller, DavidRo or Francisco please)

 

AA should go hard after Headley IMO. Start Lawrie at 2B and Travis in AAA. The team will have good depth with Travis in AAA and Valencia on the bench. The only real issue will still be needing some kind of real depth behind the SS position.

[Chappy]

It's a trade for needs. Tigers need a CF and the Jays need a 2nd baseman. I suspect Gose will put up more WAR than Travis over the next 5 years. Posters think because he is the Tigers #1 prospect he must be something . He isn't ! Tigers have one of the worst systems in baseball right down there with the Angels.

 

I suspect this means we aren't getting a Cuban infielder this winter.

 

He isn't nothing, he could be an average 2B at league min, that is something this team could use dearly.

[Angrioter]

LottOnBaseball

Right now, AA expects Travis to start at AAA. Could be in mix for MLB roster depending on other off-season moves the #BlueJays make.

 

AA: Gose-for-Travis addressed areas of needs for both teams. Deal for @BlueJays “has everything to do with Devon Travis."

[G-Snarls]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-top-10-prospects-for-2015-by-projected-war/

 

 

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Yessir

 

Just a 13th-round selection in 2012 out of Florida State, Travis has produced markedly above-average batting marks at every level to which he’s been exposed, recording both excellent plate-discipline numbers and also high BABIP figures. The result: a slash line of .323/.388/.487 line in over 1,000 minor-league plate appearances. According to Steamer’s computer math, Travis — who enters his age-24 season next April — already profiles as a league-average hitter. That’s valuable for a player who also appears likely to handle second base.

[RealAccountant]

So basically as of right now, Halladay = Devon Travis + one half of Dickey

[KingKat]

So basically as of right now, Halladay = Devon Travis + one half of Dickey

 

... and Drabek.

[GNick49]

So basically as of right now, Halladay = Devon Travis + one half of Dickey

 

Closer to 25% of Dickey. Syndergaard was biggest part of Dickey trade

[Laika]

AA should go hard after Headley IMO. Start Lawrie at 2B and Travis in AAA. The team will have good depth with Travis in AAA and Valencia on the bench. The only real issue will still be needing some kind of real depth behind the SS position.

 

I'd actually be pretty cool with Goins as the backup SS. Eye test says that he's an easy +10 or +15 2B so you'd have to assume that he's at least an average SS.

 

And I agree with what you said earlier about getting more CF/2B depth and starting Pompey and Travis in AAA.

 

I think the best thing to do is attempt to acquire a couple of cheap platoon players for each position, that you could milk a month or two of solid platoony production out of to start he year. Get a left handed 2B that could platoon with Izturis out of the gate, and if Travis forces his way up but struggles with arm-side pitching, you'd have that platoon option in house.

 

Same with CF and Pillar. Get a platoon to start the year and save money. Ideally in the OF there is a fluid situation where some combination of new guy + Pillar + Dirks + Mayberry could form a competent platoon in LF if Pompey forces his way up, and cover Pompey vs. a certain handedness of pitching if he starts struggling against it.

 

And if you go with a pair of cheap platoony dudes, then if Travis or Pompey come into spring training and play like big boys, there's nothing really in their way.

[Nox]

Well, well, well. Quite a nice move I must say.

[Chappy]

I agree platoons could work at this point and be cost effective. That being said, if there is room in the budget signing a decent OF on a short term deal might work as well. Even if Pompey pushes his way into CF, having to get rid of Mayberry or Dirks isnt a big loss either. In either case this recent trade has really set this team in a better overall position to move in a couple different paths.

[kgm1]

He isn't nothing, he could be an average 2B at league min, that is something this team could use dearly.

 

I never said he is nothing . My fault I should have said

 

Posters think because he was the Tigers #1 prospect he must be something special.

Yes he COULD be a league average guy. I wanted to point out to the fappers that he is the Tigers #1 guy because their system is one or the worst in baseball. Where would he rank in Toronto,s top ten . Near the bottom but still in the top ten.

[Chappy]

I never said he is nothing . My fault I should have said

 

Posters think because he was the Tigers #1 prospect he must be something special.

Yes he COULD be a league average guy. I wanted to point out to the fappers that he is the Tigers #1 guy because their system is one or the worst in baseball. Where would he rank in Toronto,s top ten . Near the bottom but still in the top ten.

 

Fair enough. The Tigers system is s***, but I agree he does still have a place in our top 10. He isn't a high ceiling guy at all, but at the same time he could be considered a safer bet than some of our other prospects ahead of him in the depth chart. Overall, this was a good deal for both teams as I said before and if Travis can end up sticking at 2B then AA just filled a black hole in our starting lineup with a 4th OF.

[kgm1]

Badler,s take on the deal. Guess I'm wrong mid top ten

 

THE DEAL

 

The Tigers and Blue Jays executed a trade that unloaded a surplus and filled a need for both teams, with Detroit sending Double-A second baseman Devon Travis to Toronto for center fielder Anthony Gose.

 

It’s a great move for the Blue Jays, who not only add a player who could eventually help fill a significant weakness for the team at second base in 2015, but also doesn’t subtract from the major league club, since Gose’s absence will open the door for rising prospect Dalton Pompey to step in to the center field job.

 

While Travis was the Tigers’ No. 1 prospect, that title comes with the caveat that it’s the top player in a thin farm system. The Tigers had experimented with Travis in center field before he went down with core muscle surgery that wiped out his scheduled Arizona Fall League stint, but given the presence of Ian Kinsler at second base, there wasn’t a clear path to Detroit for Travis, who was an obvious trade chip.

3ds_bluejays80

BLUE JAYS ACQUIRE

Devon Travis, 2b

Age: 23

 

Hitting is the most challenging component for scouts to evaluate, but it’s also the most important thing for any position prospect to be able to do, and it’s the area where Travis excels. With a quick, simple stroke, Travis has excellent plate coverage and routinely barrels up balls for hard contact. He’s small but has a strong, compact frame, generating surprising exit speed off the bat for his size. Travis missed six weeks early in the season with an oblique injury, and the effects carried over into May, but from June on he batted .312/.379/.481.

 

Travis’ tools aren’t flashy, but scouts come to appreciate him the more they see him because of his ability to hit, manage the strike zone and play smart, fundamentally sound baseball in all areas of the game. He can turn in times a tick slower out of the box, but he’s an average runner underway who moves well going first to third, with sharp instincts that make him an efficient basestealer. He’s an adequate defender at second base who makes the routine plays and is smooth on the double play pivot.

 

The surgery Travis had in September cut his offseason short, but the Tigers expected him to be fully ready at the beginning of spring training. The next logical step for Travis would be Triple-A, but the Blue Jays could push him more aggressively, and he’s likely to make his major league debut at some point in 2015.

 

In a more prospect-laden Blue Jays farm system, Travis won’t stand out quite as much, sliding into the mid-range of their Top 10. Nobody’s projecting a perennial all-star, but if Travis can be a steady, league-average player while the Blue Jays have him under cost control for six seasons, the trade will be a win for them.

[BlueJayWay]

I like this trade a lot better than the Lind/Estrada one, that's for sure.

 

Travis seems to be a legit prospect (Keith Law notwithstanding), which is better than I thought they'd get for Gose straight up. His numbers in AA last year are pretty solid, though I wish he did that at age 20 or 21 rather than 23. He's a 2B who seems to have an actual hit tool, unlike Gose. I'll take it.

[kgm1]

From Yesterday,s Tigers top ten chat.

 

Jake (Lake Central): Let's be honest, is this a bottom-five overall list? Seems to lack any true impact players and "star" power.

Ben Badler: Having combed through a bunch of our Top 30s already, it’s not the worst farm system in the game, but it’s definitely going to rank toward the back end of our organizational rankings. Steven Moya and Derek Hill both have exciting tools and high-risk profiles, Devon Travis is a widely underappreciated player by people who underrate good hitters, but you’re right, there just isn’t a ton of high-level, impact talent that most organizations have at the top of their system.

 

@Jaypers413 (IL): Thanks for the chat, Ben. Had Adames, Thompson and Knebel remained with the organization, about where would you have ranked them? In addition, do you envision any of your present top 10 guys making BA's top 100 list?

Ben Badler: Adames, Thompson and Travis would have been 1-2-3 in some order, and they’re all Top 100 candidates. Thompson has a chance to be a mid-rotation starter, and while there’s a wide mixture of opinions on scouts about Adames from an above-average everyday shortstop to a utility man, there’s exciting upside with him. Moya’s a divisive player—scouts either think he’s going to hit 30 home runs in the middle of the lineup, or that he won’t ever get his swing and approach under control enough to be an everyday guy. I don’t think he will make the Top 100, but I do believe he’ll be on some of our internal lists when we get together to discuss our final rankings.

 

 

Michael (Baltimore): Even with greater risk of a MLB career, I still thought Moya and Hill would rank over Travis. Is the risk that great, considering Travis has one good tool (Hitting)?

Ben Badler: Hitting is the most important thing a player can do, and it’s also the most challenging thing for scouts to evaluate. With Moya, clearly the tools are louder. Way bigger raw power, stronger arm and comparable speed despite a massive size difference. If everything goes perfectly for both players, Moya is the better player. But hitting trumps everything, the risk with Moya is big, and there’s more upside with Travis than people generally give him credit for having. If you’re a scout dropping in to see Travis for a few games in a series, you’re not going to see him to anything flashy, but he’s the type of player you appreciate the more you see him, because he’s consistently barreling up the ball and has become one of the best hitters in the minors, while playing a position in the middle of the diamond. That doesn’t mean he’s a superstar just because he’s the No. 1 prospect in this system. There’s a good chance he ends up turning into a steady player along the lines of Brock Holt, Scott Hairston, someone like that. But players who are just talented hitters without other “exciting” tools tend to be undervalued, then we look up and see guys like Jose Altuve, Matt Carpenter, Allen Craig or Josh Harrison becoming success stories in the big leagues. You can definitely find scouts that take Moya over Travis, but I’ll put my money on Travis’ bat.

[Governator]

Curious what fWAR is considered league average for a second basemen. 2.0? What's Izturis projected for next year, probably 1.0 after his injury?

[KingKat]

Mike Wilner ‏@Wilnerness590 32s33 seconds ago

Travis: AA told me that I'll have a chance to win a job out of Spring Training if everything stays the same. #Bluejays #Jays

 

Kind of relieved that he's hedging on that.

[Governator]

Wilner is crying inside.

[bendera3]

It's nice to see us getting a guy that can take a walk and get on base.

[Brenner]

Great trade for both teams, Pompey definitely surpassed Gose as the future CF for this team. Picked up a guy who should be on the fringe of AAA/MLB next year at a position of clear need for us.

[TwistedLogic]

Just a note, the whole MLB.com thing where they ranked him #9 in the Jays system, I'd take that with a grain of salt. If he's really in the top 100 MLB prospects (I read he was #84 a few times, not sure what list those people are going by) that puts him more around the #5 territory, around Hoffman and Pompey.

[burlingtonbandit]

Arbitrary start date, but in Travis' last 46 games and 202 PA in AA, he put up .330/.398/.520 (156 wRC+).

 

What were the peripheral numbers like?

[Angrioter]

What were the peripheral numbers like?

 

High Walk, low K and good pop for the position.

[Laika]

Minor league stats:

 

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[td][/td]

[td]AVG[/td]

[td]OBP[/td]

[td]SLG[/td]

[td]OPS[/td]

[td]ISO[/td]

[td]BB%[/td]

[td]K%[/td]

[td]HR/600PA[/td]

[td]SB/600PA[/td]

[td]SB%[/td]

[td]BABIP[/td]

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[tr]

[td]Altuve[/td]

[td].327[/td]

[td].386[/td]

[td].481[/td]

[td].867[/td]

[td].154[/td]

[td]8.4%[/td]

[td]10.6%[/td]

[td]10.96[/td]

[td]42.75[/td]

[td]72.2%[/td]

[td].415[/td]

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[td]Travis[/td]

[td].323[/td]

[td].388[/td]

[td].487[/td]

[td].876[/td]

[td].164[/td]

[td]8.7%[/td]

[td]11.9%[/td]

[td]15.48[/td]

[td]21.89[/td]

[td]80.4%[/td]

[td].347[/td]

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Travis is ~4 inches taller.

Altuve's age vs. level was a notch better.

 

Slashlines and peripherals are eerily similar.

 

Travis seems to have better over-the-fence pop, probably by a grade. Altuve's speed is better by probably ~2 scouting grades. The BABIP difference is probably due to that, but it's possible that Altuve is a better line drive hitter too.

[Angrioter]

Minor league stats:

 

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[td][/td]

[td]AVG[/td]

[td]OBP[/td]

[td]SLG[/td]

[td]OPS[/td]

[td]ISO[/td]

[td]BB%[/td]

[td]K%[/td]

[td]HR/600PA[/td]

[td]SB/600PA[/td]

[td]SB%[/td]

[td]BABIP[/td]

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[td]Altuve[/td]

[td].327[/td]

[td].386[/td]

[td].481[/td]

[td].867[/td]

[td].154[/td]

[td]8.4%[/td]

[td]10.6%[/td]

[td]10.96[/td]

[td]42.75[/td]

[td]72.2%[/td]

[td].415[/td]

[/tr]

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[td]Travis[/td]

[td].323[/td]

[td].388[/td]

[td].487[/td]

[td].876[/td]

[td].164[/td]

[td]8.7%[/td]

[td]11.9%[/td]

[td]15.48[/td]

[td]21.89[/td]

[td]80.4%[/td]

[td].347[/td]

[/tr]

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Travis is ~4 inches taller.

Altuve's age vs. level was a notch better.

 

Slashlines and peripherals are eerily similar.

 

Travis seems to have better over-the-fence pop, probably by a grade. Altuve's speed is better by probably ~2 scouting grades. The BABIP difference is probably due to that, but it's possible that Altuve is a better line drive hitter too.

 

Two small guys who can hit but cant catch tu ball.

[Terminator]

Arbitrary start date, but in Travis' last 46 games and 202 PA in AA, he put up .330/.398/.520 (156 wRC+).

 

I heard he had some sort of injury to begin the season. Not sure if that has anything to do with the numbers but what I read was that the timeframes of the injury healing and his uptick in production were similar. That could all be a bunch of BS but I did read it somewhere.