Chris Davis tests positive for stimulants, suspended 25 games

[glory]

The NFL has domestic violence and murder from their players, but baseball has a much more serious problem. Where's congress when you need them?

[G-Snarls]

Well, that's refreshing

 

As opposed to every other single player over the last 2 years fighting and fighting and fighting it? Yeah

[DuckDuckGose]

As opposed to every other single player over the last 2 years fighting and fighting and fighting it? Yeah

 

Still 2 seasons to FA, big incentive to come back healthy and remove the tarnish from his name before payday. Needs to come back next year clean and perform.

[DuckDuckGose]

Actually, no, on the point about decreasing concentration. Caffeine actually increases concentration ... Until you take too much.

 

It increases it in short spurts. Baseball games are 3hrs. If you're wired on caffeine your concentration levels will drop at some point during the game. It isn't debatable.

[nmrch]

what a joke of a suspension, i know we're happy this happened to an Orioles player but how stupid is this. MLB's drug policy is laughable in general but we're acting like taking a substance that hasn't proven to be anymore powerful than Caffiene is actually "performance enhancing"?

[kgm1]

Just heard it on high heat. Should have known the twitter world would have it sooner. Big blow to the O,s but i don't feel sorry for them . I wonder if he got turned down for his exemption this year and started back on it in August . He has 9 HRs in August.

 

Buck says the timing sucks and it does for the O,s but the timing is great for the Jays.

[NorthOf49]

It didn't help him this year, though, and he was still taking it (hence the bust).

Think about how bad he would've been this year without it!

[eastcoastjaysfan]

lol Such a lame suspension.

[G-Snarls]

Just heard it on high heat. Should have known the twitter world would have it sooner. Big blow to the O,s but i don't feel sorry for them . I wonder if he got turned down for his exemption this year and started back on it in August . He has 9 HRs in August.

 

Buck says the timing sucks and it does for the O,s but the timing is great for the Jays.

 

Yeah he's not even among their 3 best hitters this year BUT he can win a game single handedly if you throw him mistakes, he's been heating up, and we play the Orioles 6 f'n times still

 

This is great for us

[G-Snarls]

I hope the Orioles are feeling DESPAIRED

[kgm1]

I hope the Orioles are feeling DESPAIRED

 

It would be so nice to sweep those bastards

[Sorrow]

Hank Aaron apparently used Adderal for what it's worth. I think it's a stupid suspension. It would be like not allowing Morrow or McGowan to use insulin pumps, or Ted Lilly to use anti-depressants.

[Sammy225]

lol Such a lame suspension.

 

I mean if it is in the rules then it is obviously is a suspension..... The question i have is should it be in the rule book? I do not see the advantages.

[metafour]

what a joke of a suspension, i know we're happy this happened to an Orioles player but how stupid is this. MLB's drug policy is laughable in general but we're acting like taking a substance that hasn't proven to be anymore powerful than Caffiene is actually "performance enhancing"?

 

Are some of you serious?

 

Not proven to be any more powerful than caffeine? LMFAO. Dont talk about s*** that you clearly have zero knowledge about.

 

Go pop some Adderall and set your mind on mowing your lawn. There won't be a single blade of grass that is uneven from those surrounding it.

[metafour]

The question i have is should it be in the rule book? I do not see the advantages.

 

You don't see the advantage of a drug that grants its user god-like levels of laser focus in a sport where your success is 100% dependent on being able to analyze the ball out of the pitcher's hand in fractions of a second?

[nmrch]

Are some of you serious?

 

Not proven to be any more powerful than caffeine? LMFAO. Dont talk about s*** that you clearly have zero knowledge about.

 

Go pop some Adderall and set your mind on mowing your lawn. There won't be a single blade of grass that is uneven from those surrounding it.

 

I do know what i'm talking about and i don't get my science news from anecdotes and the popular press, hell even teh popular press has run articles recently debunking the myths surrounding adderall, you seem to have missed them. Most(an overwhelming percentage really) of the positive changes ascribed to adderall can be explained by the placebo effect, people feel like super heroes because they expect to be superheroes, the drug itself doesn't do a whole lot. There's an overwhelming amount of actual research to back this up, i suggest you do some reading.

[TheHurl]

Yeah he's not even among their 3 best hitters this year BUT he can win a game single handedly if you throw him mistakes, he's been heating up, and we play the Orioles 6 f'n times still

 

This is great for us

 

Davis vs. Kelly Johnson...really not much of a difference between them right now. Both are pretty bad players. Steve Pearce can't possibly come back to what he was before the injury. It's really not much of an offense. Then again the team has over-performed all year so who knows.

[nmrch]

You don't see the advantage of a drug that grants its user god-like levels of laser focus in a sport where your success is 100% dependent on being able to analyze the ball out of the pitcher's hand in fractions of a second?

 

The biggest(and probably only) non placebo effect of the drug is as a slight mood enhancer, you could say that's performance enhancing but everything else is complete nonsense

[metafour]

I do know what i'm talking about and i don't get my science news from anecdotes and the popular press. Most(an overwhelming percentage really) of the positive changes ascribed to adderall can be explained by the placebo effect, people feel like super heroes because they expect to be superheroes, the drug itself doesn't do a whole lot. There's an overwhelming amount of actual research to back this up, i suggest you do some reading.

 

Oh lord...

 

Placebo effect...for an amphetamine-class drug. I've taken it, as well as others in its class. s*** isn't placebo. The side-effects and risk of dependency prove that, if anything.

[DuckDuckGose]

You really need to familiarize yourself with caffeine.

 

You said: caffeine (i.e. Red Bull) decreases concentration

 

I, and medical science said: caffeine increases concentration (until you over-consume, of course)

 

Then you said: yeah, caffeine does increase concentration, so I was wrong about the very basics of what we're talking about, but rest assured it's for small spurts, and not enough to get you through a game

 

I, and medical science say: The lengths of the effects of caffeine are indeterminate, and "short spurts" is such a nebulous term as to be inconsequential, but the fun of a stimulant like caffeine, especially in liquid form, is that you can control the "dosage" and re-dose as needed, if you are involved in a prolonged event, such as a baseball game. Being "wired" is only an effect felt when you take too much for your tolerance level.

 

Medical science does not say that caffeine will increase concentration for the length of a baseball game. Go ahead and prove me wrong if you'd like.

[G-Snarls]

Davis vs. Kelly Johnson...really not much of a difference between them right now. Both are pretty bad players. Steve Pearce can't possibly come back to what he was before the injury. It's really not much of an offense. Then again the team has over-performed all year so who knows.

 

Especially the starting rotation. What the Hell???

[nmrch]

Oh lord...

 

Placebo effect...for an amphetamine-class drug. I've taken it, as well as others in its class. s*** isn't placebo. The side-effects and risk of dependency prove that, if anything.

 

honestly, i don't want to embarrass you anymore but you're really tempting me with your arrogant tone. Personal anecdotes where you felt good doesn't prove what you think they prove, the placebo effect means you're supposed to feel the effects of taking a drug, do you even know what that means?

 

Again, a quick search on Google Scholar will bring up the papers(including ones from Nature!) debunking a lot of the myths you keep repeating, atleast read the damn abstracts. And there's plenty of articles on Google from mainstream publications that summarize the research on this.

[Governator]

How to participate in this thread

 

Google amphetamines for up to 2 minutes, flex your muscles, then use your newly acquired expertise to debate the rights & wrongs of it.

[HERPDERP]

How to participate in this thread

 

Google amphetamines for up to 2 minutes, flex your muscles, then use your newly acquired expertise to debate the rights & wrongs of it.

 

you should see stoeten bitch about it

[HERPDERP]

Either way, the argument whether amphetamine should be removed from the list is an entirely different issue guys.

 

It was stated in the rules and he knew about it. Not to mention it gave him an advantage over legit players who chose not to circumvent the rules.

 

And he chose to ignore it twice (this is his 2nd offense).

[RealAccountant]

Aderall is definitely not a placebo.

 

Wish I had some for those days when you just cant get any work done.

[metafour]

From the linkety-link I so kindly provided you ...

 

The question is, do they work?

 

Maybe not, according to a new study from the University of Pennsylvania. Students who took Adderall didn’t actually perform better on tests of cognitive function — they only thought they did. Casey Schwartz blogged about the findings on the Daily Beast:

 

The research team tested 47 subjects, all in their twenties, all without a diagnosis of ADHD, on a variety of cognitive functions, from working memory — how much information they could keep in mind and manipulate — to raw intelligence, to memories for specific events and faces. Each subject was tested both while on Adderall and on a placebo; in each condition, the subjects didn’t know which kind of pill they were receiving.

 

The researchers did come up with one significant finding. The last question they asked their subjects was: “How and how much did the pill influence your performance on today’s tests?” Those subjects who had been given Adderall were significantly more likely to report that the pill had caused them to do a better job on the tasks they’d been given, even though their performance did not show an improvement over that of those who had taken the placebo.

 

It’s not surprising that Adderall gave students an inflated sense of productivity, Schwartz writes, given that the drug — a close cousin of amphetamine — “unleashes the feel-good neurotransmitter dopamine, triggers the brain’s reward system, and can produce a mild sense of euphoria.”

 

From your own link:

UPDATE: It bears noting that the new study, which has not yet been published (it was presented at the annual Society of Neuroscience conference in November), is contradicted by a body of evidence showing actual cognitive benefits of the drug. Healthland’s Maia Szalavitz reported:

 

How much were they dosed? For how long? You can skew data to prove whatever point you want. One pill isn't going to magically raise your test score overnight.

[DuckDuckGose]

Read what I actually wrote.

 

The length of time for the effects of caffeine are indeterminate, in scientific terms ... and largely dependent on things like dosage and personal tolerance. But, again, you can re-dose to re-boost the effects. You don't have to slam a couple Red Bulls, run out on to the field like a madman and then be tired and irritable by the 3rd inning. A bit here, a bit there ... and the effects remain.

 

And if you actually knew what you were talking about most the gains from caffeine when you are taking them at large enough doses to last 3 hrs is the removal of withdrawal symptoms. But you clearly don't know wtf you are talking about so I'm not going to have the debate with hard-headed know-it-all.

[DrSunshine]

Ray Rice?

 

Showalter had that quote, after Davis called him to tell him about the suspension; just found that it was a weird thing to say after hearing about his player using an amphetamine.

 

Cheers

[DuckDuckGose]

Exactly. The guy who originally tried to debate my statement that caffeine increases concentration by saying it doesn't, and actually decreases it ... and then capitulated to the obvious reality that it does, is now trying to talk down to me about actually knowing what he is talking about.

 

Only on the internet.

 

WTF are you talking about. Caffeine increase your concentration for all of 10 minutes. After that increases in concentration are attributed to the removal of withdrawal effects. So there is no net increase in concentration from your normal levels. Only from your levels when you are in withdrawal. So explain to me how caffeine will help concentration over a baseball game. Go ahead,