Aaron Sanchez stud closer for 2015

[GD]

TIPS would be useful here

[metafour]

those stats are less than worthless in a 20 inning sample size

 

Its standardized to give the value over 100 pitches thrown. He's thrown 40+ curveballs. Obviously it would take a full season to get a consist value, but the point remains that his curveball is absolutely a weapon, and he's not just pitching off a fastball.

[Dick_Pole]

Sanchez should be given every opportunity to start at the MLB level unless the Jays have 5 solid options that are better than him.

[Dick_Pole]

Josh Towers is a perfect example of a guy who had poor command within the strike zone. Look at his career H/9 vs BB/9. He's the Jays all-time leader in lowest BB/9, and yet he was super s*** for the second half of his Blue Jays career.

[glory]

I have a hunch it won't end well, but I think you have to keep Sanchez in the rotation until he absolutely proves he is a failure. It's not like the Jays are dripping with MLB starters.

 

With that said, yes, I'm fully expecting his career to be in the pen. And he'll probably be great in that role.

[Daniel Labude]

#2 stud starter next season....#1 stud staeter after that

[jaysblue]

I think you have to give Sanchez an opportunity to start. If he fails as a starter, then you know you have a lights out reliever who could close worst case scenario.

[RealAccountant]

What if Sanchez could be the next Rivera

[GD]

#2 stud starter next season....#1 stud staeter after that

 

What if Sanchez could be the next Rivera

 

this thread is wild

[GD]

lol @ Kershaw vs Sanchez

[RealAccountant]

What if my turds turn into gold nuggets? #reasonwhyIneverflush #ASanchezshouldbeastarter #cantunderstandwhynoonewillcomeoverandplay

 

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Haha just playing

You are quickly becoming my favorite poster on here

[JaysFan75]

this thread is wild

 

Sanchez will never be a stud anything... His walk rate in the minors was far to high!

[saskjayfan]

Sanchez will never be a stud anything... His walk rate in the minors was far to high!

 

I agree....don't trust your eyes..don't trust what he's done in the majors. The sample size is too small. The minor league stats are all that matter...They tell the story...let's trade Sanchez now!

[Ehjays]

I agree....don't trust your eyes..don't trust what he's done in the majors. The sample size is too small. The minor league stats are all that matter...They tell the story...let's trade Sanchez now!

 

 

Yes let's trade him now because our track record for trades is just sooo good!

[sachmo55]

Sanchez has a 47% first strike rate and a 6.7% swinging strike rate

 

People need to calm down about this improved command

[saskjayfan]

Sanchez has a 47% first strike rate and a 6.7% swinging strike rate

 

People need to calm down about this improved command

 

yeah let's ignore his ground ball percentage too. Let's ignore the fact that he throws the baseball in a fashion that few are able to throw it.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

The inability to miss bats is definitely a concern but it's pretty undeniable how much movement is on that fastball or how good the stuff is. Career 2.38 GO/AO in the minors... That's pretty damn good. It's not like teams are just crushing balls off of him.

 

You have to at least give him a full year or two of starting before sending him to the pen.

Edited September 2, 2014 by eastcoastjaysfan

[Governator]

I'll take my chances with a guy who has upside to be an above average starter over forcing him to be a reliever any day. Most relievers are just failed starters, there's a reason for that.

[BTS]

ITT: people making the same mistakes that were made with Goins, Sierra, Thames etc... Now Sanchez obviously has more raw talent than those guys, but the mocking tone people are taking towards the very real concern about his poor minor league track record is probably going to look foolish eventually. You don't disregard hundreds of innings of data because he's been great in 20 relief innings in the majors.

[saskjayfan]

The inability to miss bats is definitely a concern but it's pretty undeniable how much movement is on that fastball. Career 2.38 GO/AO in the minors... That's pretty damn good. It's not like teams are just crushing balls off of him.

 

You have to at least give him a full year or two of starting before sending him to the pen.

 

Sanchez obviously needs to work on his all of his pitches, but he's throwing the fastball 84% of the time. Batters basically know what is coming so his swinging strike percentage is going to be lower as batters cheat to that fastball, but they still can't hit the fastball. That just shows how dominant the pitch is. As a starter that fastball percentage will likely be closer to 60%. His swinging strike percentage will go up.

 

His upside is undeniable. Whether he becomes a number 1 or a number 2 is something we won't know for years. Yes there's a good chance he doesn't live up to expectations, but there's also a good chance he does. I don't see why some people aren't at least excited at the prospect of him being able to become a great pitcher.

[JaysFan4Ever]

A guy who can't get swings and misses on his curveball and a guy who doesn't have great command of his fastball is not a TOR starter

 

That sounds exactly like some of the guys who've been thrown into the TOR rotation over the years.

[saskjayfan]

ITT: people making the same mistakes that were made with Goins, Sierra, Thames etc... Now Sanchez obviously has more raw talent than those guys, but the mocking tone people are taking towards the very real concern about his poor minor league track record is probably going to look foolish eventually. You don't disregard hundreds of innings of data because he's been great in 20 relief innings in the majors.

 

yeah....why would you ignore data in leagues where a pitcher is more concerned about making mechanical adjustments than being concerned about getting outs? Oh wait....as I read that statement, it all becomes clear. Was Sanchez a stud from day one like some..no. Did he need some polish...absolutely. Nobody on here intimately knows what mental and mechanical adjustments the kid went through in his time in the minors. People don't know what his tendencies were, what his struggles were with...other than obvious statements like he walked too many guys. What mechanically was he doing that prevented him from throwing strikes. AA talked about him making adjustments in buffalo in late June they thought would help him. You look at how he pitched from june 30th on in buffalo and you're closing in on 50 innings of work with a low walk rate. Still not a huge sample size, but spread over way more outings than if he was a starter.

[JaysFan75]

yeah let's ignore his ground ball percentage too. Let's ignore the fact that he throws the baseball in a fashion that few are able to throw it.

 

The issue with Sanchez's minor league numbers is that he wasn't down there just trying to get guys out. Everyone has known for a long time that he is a special pitcher and can get guys out. He was primarily working on specific pitches and approaches to improve his game in the long run, which I think we're seeing the results of now. Now, he will likely go through some rough patches, just like Hutchison and Stroman, and almost surely will not have a BB/9 rate of 1.25 for the rest of his MLB career, but to suggest that his high minor league walk rates mean that he will always have problematically high major league walk rates is ridiculous.

[Chappy]

The issue with Sanchez's minor league numbers is that he wasn't down there just trying to get guys out. Everyone has known for a long time that he is a special pitcher and can get guys out. He was primarily working on specific pitches and approaches to improve his game in the long run, which I think we're seeing the results of now. Now, he will likely go through some rough patches, just like Hutchison and Stroman, and almost surely will not have a BB/9 rate of 1.25 for the rest of his MLB career, but to suggest that his high minor league walk rates mean that he will always have problematically high major league walk rates is ridiculous.

 

It's still more likely than not that he will have control problems once he moves to the rotation. Can he overcome it? Absolutely. Is it likely he will in the short term? Probably not. That being said, he needs to be moved to the rotation at the start of next season, either in the bigs or in AAA. This relief role should only be temporary.

[saskjayfan]

Did someone say SwStr will go up as a starter???

 

I did...hands up. I did so with the premise that he will improve his change up and curveball as time goes on and right now he throws almost exclusively fast balls that hitters can sit on. As a starter he will throw the fastball far less often, so even with decreased velocity he will get more swinging strikes by mixing up his pitches and throwing a better curve and change up.

[RealAccountant]

RealAccountant stud poster for 2015

 

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[GNick49]

I'm not sure why we'd want to relegate Sanchez to the pen already. With an arm like his wouldn't you want to try and develop him as a starter and have him give you 200 innings, rather than just 60? To me, a reliever is a failed starter...a pitcher than doesn't have a 3rd pitch that he can rely on, or someone that shows that can't build up the required stamina.

 

No way do I put Sanchez in the pen until he shows he can't start...and I'd give him lots of time before I made that call.

Likely Santos and Janssen gone and Norris starting next year.

[burlingtonbandit]

I did...hands up. I did so with the premise that he will improve his change up and curveball as time goes on and right now he throws almost exclusively fast balls that hitters can sit on. As a starter he will throw the fastball far less often, so even with decreased velocity he will get more swinging strikes by mixing up his pitches and throwing a better curve and change up.

 

If he could get more swinging strikes he would do it now...Reason he hasn't been throwing his change is because it is not a good pitch right now.

[DuckDuckGose]

If he could get more swinging strikes he would do it now...Reason he hasn't been throwing his change is because it is not a good pitch right now.

 

I think his K rate will climb but not for the reasons outlined. From my observations it's clear that Sanchez has the stuff to induce swing and misses but he is still learning how to do it consistently. I think he's still figuring things out and will learn to miss more bats.

[DuckDuckGose]

Cool. What does he need to learn how to do, in order to miss more bats?

 

Be less predictable. He gets in to patterns and it's easy for hitters to guess when the off speed stuff is coming. Working in the zone more often would also help.