RealAccountant Old-Timey Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Srs. With Jansenn out we need Sanchez to step in. With strikeout stuff and an composed outlook he could be the answer to our closing problems for the next 6 to 7 years Thoughts
metafour Verified Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Seems inevitable. Only has one good pitch. How can he be a starter with one good pitch? One good pitch? His curveball has been dominant. He has a promising changeup as well that he hasn't had to use.
immature Verified Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 I don't trust his command enough to close.
ElNik2013 Old-Timey Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Sanchez will be a starter next season, I don't know why this keeps being brought up.
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Sanchez will be a starter next season, I don't know why this keeps being brought up. You don't know any more than anyone else. That's why it keeps being brought up.
Slider Verified Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 You don't know any more than anyone else. That's why it keeps being brought up. Oh I know he will be a starter. Case closed.
saskjayfan Old-Timey Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 I don't trust his command enough to close. Yeah 3 walks in 21.2 innings. I see your point.
GeorgiaPeach Verified Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 You don't know any more than anyone else. That's why it keeps being brought up. I expect the FO to do the opposite of what should happen.
Atothe Old-Timey Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Yeah 3 walks in 21.2 innings. I see your point. Thats control not command, Command is hitting the glove without the catcher having to move an inch
GD Old-Timey Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Thats control not command, Command is hitting the glove without the catcher having to move an inch one would think that if someone had command they'd have control and vice versa
Atothe Old-Timey Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 one would think that if someone had command they'd have control and vice versa Yeah but he said command in reference to Sanchez, Sanchez doesn't have command he's shown good control
saskjayfan Old-Timey Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Yeah but he said command in reference to Sanchez, Sanchez doesn't have command he's shown good control Give me a break. You don't need to command every pitch when your have the velocity and movement that he has. He has to control the strike zone and he's done so thus far in the bigs.
GD Old-Timey Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 I never ever cheer against the Jays but sjf makes me want to cheer against Sanchez so bad #Sanchizeforcloser2015 #HesnotJoelCarreno
ElNik2013 Old-Timey Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 You don't know any more than anyone else. That's why it keeps being brought up. I guess I should've said 'he should be a starter next season'. We'll see what happens.
John_Havok Old-Timey Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 one would think that if someone had command they'd have control and vice versa Control just means you can hit the strike zone but not quality strikes consistently on the edges and exactly where you want it, which is command. So if you have commad, by definition you have control, but you can have control without command.
John_Havok Old-Timey Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Give me a break. You don't need to command every pitch when your have the velocity and movement that he has. He has to control the strike zone and he's done so thus far in the bigs. As a starter though, you certainly want command because he won't be throwing 98 all game long. Yes, throwing 98 with movement will be enough to get guys out in 1-2 innings as a potentially great reliever, but to succeed as a starter he'll have to go through the lineup 3 times minimum and guys will be able to lay off once they see his stuff a few times if he doesn't have good command. But then, that's where his secondary pitches have to come into play also.
GD Old-Timey Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Well, duh ... on the "if you have command, you have control" portion of that. Unless, for some inexplicable reason, you only try to throw balls, instead of strikes. But, yeah, you can, over a long period of time, have trouble hitting your spots, but still be tossing it over the plate. That's how you get lit the eff up, actually. That's control without command. Unless you just have the super awesomest stuff everer. Or if teams are only allowed to see you for 3 or 4 batters a game, after facing Dickey and Buehrle's Eephus pitches. Haven't you heard? Sanchez has HOF-type stuff.
John_Havok Old-Timey Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 I guess I should've said 'he should be a starter next season'. We'll see what happens. Yes, he absolutely should be. No reason to put a kid in the pen unless he's failed as a starter, which he hasn't yet.
RealAccountant Old-Timey Member Posted August 30, 2014 Author Posted August 30, 2014 I just don't want to go back to the days of the revolving closers like koch accardo Batista Gregg
SAAviour Verified Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Why would we waste our sAAviour as a closer? Starter!
baseballsss Verified Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 I just don't want to go back to the days of the revolving closers like koch accardo Batista Gregg lol so you want to throw a potential top of the line starter in at closer. That's very smart. Stupid dodgers not sure why they don't put Kershaw in at closer. They'd never have to worry about blowing a game.
GD Old-Timey Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Why would we waste our sAAviour as a closer? Starter! lol, you finally found a way to get out of defending AA clever
nmrch Verified Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Sanchez will almost certainly fail as a starter, i'd rather not go thru those 5 starts where he gets shelled only to learn that he's a reliever.
SAAviour Verified Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Sanchez will almost certainly fail as a starter, i'd rather not go thru those 5 starts where he gets shelled only to learn that he's a reliever. Oh, I didn't know he'd fail as a starter yet. Thanks for sharing this and yeah I guess you're right, since he is going to for sure fail we should leave him in the pen.
nmrch Verified Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 lol so you want to throw a potential top of the line starter in at closer. That's very smart. Stupid dodgers not sure why they don't put Kershaw in at closer. They'd never have to worry about blowing a game. A guy who can't get swings and misses on his curveball and a guy who doesn't have great command of his fastball is not a TOR starter
nmrch Verified Member Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Oh, I didn't know he'd fail as a starter yet. Thanks for sharing this and yeah I guess you're right, since he is going to for sure fail we should leave him in the pen. he has failed as a starter, incase you forgot. I should have said, he will continue to fail as a starter in the big leagues.
Jimcanuck Old-Timey Member Posted August 31, 2014 Posted August 31, 2014 why would the jays devalue an asset like Sanchez by keeping him in the BP
SAAviour Verified Member Posted August 31, 2014 Posted August 31, 2014 he has failed as a starter, incase you forgot. I should have said, he will continue to fail as a starter in the big leagues. Yes I know, I just totally forgot about him failing. Thank you again.
metafour Verified Member Posted August 31, 2014 Posted August 31, 2014 Uh ok.. last time he threw one it was hammered. Haven't seen one since. His curveball is sitting at 4.79 runs above average standardized per 100 pitches. That is an absolutely elite pitch value. His fastball is at 2.37.
nmrch Verified Member Posted August 31, 2014 Posted August 31, 2014 His curveball is sitting at 4.79 runs above average standardized per 100 pitches. That is an absolutely elite pitch value. His fastball is at 2.37. those stats are less than worthless in a 20 inning sample size
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