Aaron Sanchez stud closer for 2015

[saskjayfan]

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yes...some players get better with age. Sanchez will not because you said so. He's a number 5 or middle reliever...got it. I'm sure he will start pitching poorly soon.

[saskjayfan]

He'll start pitching poorly soon before he starts getting MORE swinging strikes because he switches from a reliever to a starter (when the opposite is typically true).

 

I guess he's A-typical then..lol Sanchez has beautiful mechanics...kid is a true stud pitcher

[GD]

lol this thread

[saskjayfan]

lol this thread

 

feel free to add...what kind of pitcher do you think Sanchez is?

[DuckDuckGose]

That's generic stuff that can apply to any pitcher. Even the ones that already create a poop-ton of swinging strikes.

 

Sure, because it's a common problem especially amongst young pitchers. If you've watched Sanchez pitch you know he wont throw the breaking stuff until he is ahead in the count and that if he is ina FB count you are getting the heater. He needs to mix his pitches better but he's still figuring things out. I have full confidence that he will improve especially if he can refine anotehr off-speed pitch or get ahead in the count consistently.

[DuckDuckGose]

He'll start pitching poorly soon before he starts getting MORE swinging strikes because he switches from a reliever to a starter (when the opposite is typically true).

 

Swg Strike %. Obviously a starter will produce more swing and misses than a reliever because they will throw significantly more innings.

[GD]

feel free to add...what kind of pitcher do you think Sanchez is?

 

I know sample size is for pussies and reading is hard but I've posted that before. I'm more laughing at that you're clearly trying to bait Moogy as often as you can, ITT and in others. It's fun.

[DuckDuckGose]

So far, clinging desperately to control of his mini-me delivery, Sanchez, as a reliever, is getting similar batted ball results to Buehrle, who is a starter ... and throws approx. 45 mph slower than Master Sanchez.

 

1.25 BB/9 = clinging desperately to control of his mini-me delivery?

 

If anything he's shown that his command is a bigger issue than his control.

[DuckDuckGose]

The latter reinforces my point.

 

Pretty sure you have no point and are just bored again.

[saskjayfan]

hey moogster....I was convinced Sanchez was going to have a terrible night and make you look smart....oh well....I guess there's always tomorrow...surely he will implode next time he's in there.

[GD]

hey moogster....I was convinced Sanchez was going to have a terrible night and make you look smart....oh well....I guess there's always tomorrow...surely he will implode next time he's in there.

 

Watching you devote your life to trolling Moogy is a little sad and a lottle funny

[DuckDuckGose]

Swinging Strike %, because Swg Strike % doesn't exist. Sing it with me ... Anything pedantic you can do, I can do better.

 

We all know hence why I pointed it out. Making a big deal out of pedantics is your forte.

[DuckDuckGose]

Swinging Strike %, because Swg Strike % doesn't exist. Sing it with me ... Anything pedantic you can do, I can do better.

 

We all know you spend your day arguing pedantics on the Internet. Hence why I pointed it out when you made a mistake.

[saskjayfan]

Watching you devote your life to trolling Moogy is a little sad and a lottle funny

 

I hope the irony of your post isn't lost on you..lol

[Sparky12]

f*** off, if Sanchez isn't in the starting 5 to start next year our FO is f***ed

[DuckDuckGose]

f*** off, if Sanchez isn't in the starting 5 to start next year our FO is f***ed

 

If he keeps steady through September you'd have to think he is the front runner for the 5 for the 5 spot. Buehrle should be gone to make room and clear payroll. Pay $5M or whatever you need to get a good prospect back.

[burlingtonbandit]

Really? He has one good pitch. They're not even confident throwing anything but his fastball.

 

Do you think there's a reason he hasn't been especially effective as a starter in the minors? I sure do.

 

The guy is destined to become a reliever.

 

I'm not Sanchez's biggest fan but he has 2 plus pitches. The curveball is a very good pitch in addition to the plus plus fastball.

[Sparky12]

Really? He has one good pitch. They're not even confident throwing anything but his fastball.

 

Do you think there's a reason he hasn't been especially effective as a starter in the minors? I sure do.

 

The guy is destined to become a reliever.

 

Plus fastball, plus curve, decent change, regardless you don't designate a highly touted prospect to the pen until he has failed as a starter, pretty simple.

[Boxcar]

ITT: people making the same mistakes that were made with Goins, Sierra, Thames etc... Now Sanchez obviously has more raw talent than those guys, but the mocking tone people are taking towards the very real concern about his poor minor league track record is probably going to look foolish eventually. You don't disregard hundreds of innings of data because he's been great in 20 relief innings in the majors.

 

And, conversely, they would be demanding to trade him in the opposite case.

 

Idiots everywhere. Nothing wrong with wanting or arguing that Sanchez will succeed, but taking a mocking tone gives this whole scenario a very Goins-y vibe. You guys just never learn.

[Boxcar]

I did...hands up. I did so with the premise that he will improve his change up and curveball as time goes on and right now he throws almost exclusively fast balls that hitters can sit on. As a starter he will throw the fastball far less often, so even with decreased velocity he will get more swinging strikes by mixing up his pitches and throwing a better curve and change up.

 

Jake McGee throws a fastball 96% of the time with a 12.4% swstr.

[Boxcar]

We all know you spend your day arguing pedantics on the Internet. Hence why I pointed it out when you made a mistake.

 

(The word you are looking for is pedant, dipchitz)

[saskjayfan]

Jake McGee throws a fastball 96% of the time with a 12.4% swstr.

 

he also is 27. He comes in late in games facing a lot of lefties. He sees more righties now, but for a long time it was a steady diet of righties. Sanchez will learn to improve all pitches including his fastball in time. McGee is a pretty great pitcher too.

[StiebSlider]

Sad to say I think Sanchez has a good rep to fill the closing role. Im a HUGE fan of Janssen but he's been solid for longer than I expected, especially between injuries and surgeries. Maybe its time for a change, as long as I never have to see another Francisco/Santos in the role im happy.

[BTS]

Sad to say I think Sanchez has a good rep to fill the closing role. Im a HUGE fan of Janssen but he's been solid for longer than I expected, especially between injuries and surgeries. Maybe its time for a change, as long as I never have to see another Francisco/Santos in the role im happy.

 

You will. Santos and Francisco were good relievers until they weren't. If the Jays keep filling the pen with good relievers, a lot of them will suddenly stop being good relievers.

[HERPDERP]

I think he could very well be a good option for closer, as I suggested when he earlier came up. And there is precedence with Papelbon and Feliz, and I'm sure there are others as well.

 

You have to consider the current alternatives on the market for a closer. I don't know the list of FA relief pitchers, but I think we have all seen first hand just how volatile the position is.

 

Would you guys be comfortable giving out a 3-4 year contract to a closer?

 

I think it's better to give it to a cheap, younger reliever like Sanchez while dedicating years/dollars to a sure-thing in a MLB starter.

[Boxcar]

he also is 27. He comes in late in games facing a lot of lefties. He sees more righties now, but for a long time it was a steady diet of righties. Sanchez will learn to improve all pitches including his fastball in time. McGee is a pretty great pitcher too.

 

I don't understand your point (probably because you are just scrambling for excuses) and why age comes into play. Would you not say that guys are sitting on McGee's fastball? He's not a LOOGY, so your point about mostly lefties was probably done without a cursory check.

 

Your point was that Sanchez isn't getting whiffs because he uses his fastball a lot. I can find a different guy if McGee doesn't fit.

[Governator]

In a couple of years from now would you rather a legit #2 starter or a legit closer?

[metafour]

Jake McGee's Whiffs percentage, from 2010-2014 v. RHB is 14.25%. He used his 4-seam fastball 92.72% of the time against RHB over that time frame.

 

In his brief 2010 stint (all of 5 innings), his Whiff % v. RHB was 12.12% on his 4-seamer. In 2011, it was 9.48% (4-seamer v. RHB).

 

...and?

 

They throw different fastballs. Go compare the GB% between Sanchez and McGee, I fail to see why this is even an argument: who cares what his whiff rate is when he has the ability to induce groundballs at an elite level. Better yet, go take a look at the fastball swinging strike percentage of one Roy Halladay.

[Boxcar]

...and?

 

They throw different fastballs. Go compare the GB% between Sanchez and McGee, I fail to see why this is even an argument: who cares what his whiff rate is when he has the ability to induce groundballs at an elite level. Better yet, go take a look at the fastball swinging strike percentage of one Roy Halladay.

 

Roy Halladay had legendary command. Comparing him to nearly anyone is an act of desperation.

[Boxcar]

I hate to admit but Moogy is bringing the funny ITT.