Adam Lind drama

[HERPDERP]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/lind-like-its-always-been/

 

Well, not really drama, but brutal honesty.

[TDotttt2005]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/lind-like-its-always-been/

 

Well, not really drama, but brutal honesty.

 

Do Sportsnet.ca videos not play in the US? I never get them to play. Herp, can you give me a bit of a synopsis on what was said?

[Angrioter]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/lind-like-its-always-been/

 

Well, not really drama, but brutal honesty.

 

What he said?

[burlingtonbandit]

Link isn't working for me either. But I can guess that he said the team does not look good and good on him for saying that. I hate when athletes talk with all these stupid cliches in interviews instead of speaking their mind.

[wardhenke1]

Yep. 20+ years of utter shite.

[HERPDERP]

Yeah, nothing earth shattering but..how often do you hear that kind of stuff from professional athletes? If they asked a guy like Santos or Bautista, they'd say the typical "Well you know, it's a tough game and we have our ups and downs, but we're still in it. This doesn't change anything for us, we're gonna approach the game the same way in August and the same way in June"

 

That line for me tells me that he's aware and sick of how much the Jays suck.

[CHRIS]

Blow it up.

[burlingtonbandit]

Blow it up.

 

You don't need to blow it up but you have to make smart decisions in the offseason to either go for it or rebuild. None of this half ass true talent 83-85 win team that has to have everything go right for them to get 90 wins.

[wardhenke1]

You can't go into next year with this core of players unless you make some dramatic improvements via trade/free agency and increase the budget significantly. Even then you are looking at a new season in which the Yankees and Red Sox have had time to retool in the off-season and the Rays will be back on the upswing. It's a complete waste of f***ing time IMO.

 

I have three suggestions:

 

a) Call the RCAF and have them strafe bomb the Front Office building. No-one will be in it mind, as they will all have been given their pink slips earlier.

 

Roll the biggest f***ing hand grenade possible into the clubhouse and wipe the slate clean. At this point I could list maybe 6 players who are pretty much untouchable (Sanchez, Pompey, Nolin, EE, Lawrie and Stroman). The rest, well I'll take what I can get.

 

c) Set dynamite around the rogers centre and blow the pitch the f*** up. Enough of the s***** artificial surface already. Oust the Argos early if you have to.

 

That should just about do it.........

 

[addendum: only some of this is tongue-in-cheek]

[burlingtonbandit]

You can't go into next year with this core of players unless you make some dramatic improvements via trade/free agency and increase the budget significantly. Even then you are looking at a new season in which the Yankees and Red Sox have had time to retool in the off-season and the Rays will be back on the upswing. It's a complete waste of f***ing time IMO.

 

I have three suggestions:

 

a) Call the RCAF and have them strafe bomb the Front Office building. No-one will be in it mind, as they will all have been given their pink slips earlier.

 

Roll the biggest f***ing hand grenade possible into the clubhouse and wipe the slate clean. At this point I could list maybe 6 players who are pretty much untouchable (Sanchez, Pompey, Nolin, EE, Lawrie and Stroman). The rest, well I'll take what I can get.

 

c) Set dynamite around the rogers centre and blow the pitch the f*** up. Enough of the s***** artificial surface already. Oust the Argos early if you have to.

 

That should just about do it.........

 

[addendum: only some of this is tongue-in-cheek]

 

Im not going to respond to most of this post (for obvious reasons) but Nolin is not untouchable. He's not even a top 75 prospect and is already pretty old and might have the ceiling of a number 4 starter.

[RealAccountant]

In for Lind vs Gibby fight

[leaffie]

And the guy that exercises about one minute per day, thinks it is funny. His response was exactly the attitude that permeates this team. Time for a house cleaning.

[CHRIS]

You don't need to blow it up but you have to make smart decisions in the offseason to either go for it or rebuild. None of this half ass true talent 83-85 win team that has to have everything go right for them to get 90 wins.

 

In theory, I don't disagree, but this past offseason was the time for these smart decisions and non-half-assery. It didn't happen. We started the season with McGowan in the rotation and Goins at 2B.

 

What does next year look like? All of the guys on the wrong side of 30 are another year older and more expensive.

 

"Smart decisions" are a relative term. In the recent past, this organization's "smart decisions" were to forgo free agency spending in favour of trading away assets to acquire guys making free agency money. The "smart decisions" included spending millions on Francisco Cordero because saves. The "smart decisions" included not trading away top prospects for guys like Latos and Gio Gonzalez, in favour of trading away top prospects for R.A. Dickey.

 

I'm not sure what track record you're looking at that indicates that this organization has the acumen for making the actual "smart decisions" that will improve this team. Certainly, there are some nice pieces here, both veteran-wise and youth-wise, but I have yet to see any indication that this organization has the wherewithal to bring it all together.

[glory]

It's too late. I'm not sure it's possible to compete next year with this group plus whatever improvements that can be mustered from the waiver wire due to payroll restrictions (I doubt payroll is going up after this season and they'll need it to).

 

Rogers might be against a complete house cleaning due to likely attendance drops, but I can't think of anything else that makes sense short and long term. Unless Norris and Sanchez becomes stars along with continued development from Stroman and Hutchison next season. That's asking for a hell of a lot.

[burlingtonbandit]

In theory, I don't disagree, but this past offseason was the time for these smart decisions and non-half-assery. It didn't happen. We started the season with McGowan in the rotation and Goins at 2B.

 

What does next year look like? All of the guys on the wrong side of 30 are another year older and more expensive.

 

"Smart decisions" are a relative term. In the recent past, this organization's "smart decisions" were to forgo free agency spending in favour of trading away assets to acquire guys making free agency money. The "smart decisions" included spending millions on Francisco Cordero because saves. The "smart decisions" included not trading away top prospects for guys like Latos and Gio Gonzalez, in favour of trading away top prospects for R.A. Dickey.

 

I'm not sure what track record you're looking at that indicates that this organization has the acumen for making the actual "smart decisions" that will improve this team. Certainly, there are some nice pieces here, both veteran-wise and youth-wise, but I have yet to see any indication that this organization has the wherewithal to bring it all together.

 

I don't disagree with anything you said. Is saying they need to make "smart decisions" wrong, even if they haven't made the smartest of moves recently?

[burlingtonbandit]

It's too late. I'm not sure it's possible to compete next year with this group plus whatever improvements that can be mustered from the waiver wire due to payroll restrictions (I doubt payroll is going up after this season and they'll need it to).

 

Rogers might be against a complete house cleaning due to likely attendance drops, but I can't think of anything else that makes sense short and long term. Unless Norris and Sanchez becomes stars along with continued development from Stroman and Hutchison next season. That's asking for a hell of a lot.

 

The chance of Stroman and Hutchison becoming starts is more likely than Sanchez and Norris and I wouldn't hold my breathe for that. Stroman is better than Sanchez and by scouting reports Norris is seen as having upside of a number 3 starter which I would say Hutchison is pretty close to being right now. If 3 of the 4 mentioned starters become average-above average I would be extremely happy but history has shown us for every Michael Wacha there is 2 Kyle Drabeks.

[CHRIS]

I don't disagree with anything you said. Is saying they need to make "smart decisions" wrong, even if they haven't made the smartest of moves recently?

 

It's not wrong, it's just unlikely to happen.

 

Making the "right moves" isn't a matter of being patient and waiting for our turn to have things go well. It's also not akin to a light switch where one day they just flip a switch and stop making bad decisions. It's ultimately a matter of competency, and this organization, from the top-down just does a lot of things wrong. That's not to say that they do everything wrong, but rather that they do enough wrong to keep this team consistently not good.

[rolliesmustache]

The Jays have to start developing their own position players. That would be a start. And Lawrie is so overrated. He should not be untouchable by any means.

[darthjon]

Not a good sign when a comment like this from Lind follows not too long after players like Bautista criticized the lack of moves at the trade deadline. Morale is obviously in the shitter, which probably has something to do with the collapse down the stretch.

 

I think it has become pretty clear that the problems with the team go much deeper than a couple of holes in the roster. This team just doesn't have what it takes to win, whether it's heart, commitment, stamina, or whatever. The Yankees have been decimated by injuries and yet they figure out how to win. The Rays were 15 games out and without most of their starting rotation, and look at what they've done in the second half. The Blue Jays are simply a bad team that has enough talent to play some good baseball over short stretches. The only difference between 2014 and 2013 is that they played great for a whole month this year instead of just an 11 game winning streak.

[JaysFan4Ever]

I'm guessing Lind will be the next one DFA or at least his option won't be picked up after that comment.

[GD]

I'm guessing Lind will be the next one DFA or at least his option won't be picked up after that comment.

 

When exactly did you become a mod?

[JaysFan4Ever]

When exactly did you become a mod?

 

I don't know. I was supposed to get the "donor" part added and I guess when that was added the mod part was accidentally added as well. I don't seem to have any Mod abilities.

[DuckDuckGose]

You don't need to blow it up but you have to make smart decisions in the offseason to either go for it or rebuild. None of this half ass true talent 83-85 win team that has to have everything go right for them to get 90 wins.

 

How is a re-0build different than blowing it up? I don't think anyone wants to see AA give away his assets for pennies on the dollar but if he can get equal value and in the process rejig the team's payroll structure they should blow it up.

[burlingtonbandit]

How is a re-0build different than blowing it up? I don't think anyone wants to see AA give away his assets for pennies on the dollar but if he can get equal value and in the process rejig the team's payroll structure they should blow it up.

 

You could probably get equal value for Bautista and Edwin at the deadline compared to the offseason. But I think you need to pick one strategy or the other. Either you go all in with a 90+win team on paper or you trade all the assets you can move for good value. If AA is the GM I think he could be pretty good at getting good value back for his players as he seems good at collecting assets but fails in putting a roster from an 80 win team to a 90 win team.

[HERPDERP]

i love Lind, so blunt

 

http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=460413

[Dick_Pole]

What exactly has Lind done to help the team from falling out of contention? He's an ok, underachieving platoon DH...not exactly material that takes you to the playoffs.

[wardhenke1]

Changed my signature and am now voting to trade everyone but the magnificent six and Adam Lind.

 

Amazing how one player can sum it up so perfectly.

[Dick_Pole]

Changed my signature and am now voting to trade everyone but the magnificent six and Adam Lind.

 

Amazing how one player can sum it up so perfectly.

 

If Jo-Jo Reyes said the Blue Jays stunk would you demand that he be acquired back too? It takes more than just being able to criticize. How about doing something about it? Lind can criticize from the stands if he wants but right now his job is to bust his ass and win. And years of his half-assing his job has been one of the many issues with this team since AA took over. The Jays could use a corner outfielder who can play everyday with at .850+ OPS a lot more than a platoon DH who hits the same in a limited role.

[wardhenke1]

If Jo-Jo Reyes said the Blue Jays stunk would you demand that he be acquired back too? It takes more than just being able to criticize. How about doing something about it? Lind can criticize from the stands if he wants but right now his job is to bust his ass and win. And years of his half-assing his job has been one of the many issues with this team since AA took over. The Jays could use a corner outfielder who can play everyday with at .850+ OPS a lot more than a platoon DH who hits the same in a limited role.

 

Wait, Jo-Jo Reyes? You're comparing Lind to Jo-Jo Reyes? I might just change my signature again.

 

Lind = $7m this year, option next so no. Just....no. I could also go on about Lind being one of the very few original Jays left, his usefulness to the team in his current role and so on, but why bother?

[G-Snarls]

I think AA grossly underestimated how much his lack of serious activity over the last 8-9 months would undermine the team's morale.

 

Teams that were already better than us have made significant additions while we've done nothing but waiver wire pickups. I concede that in Oakland's case the addition of Lester came with enormous offensive loss and I would not have wanted AA to make a trade equivalent to that. But damn, even a solid 2B or BP addition should have been easily manageable. These players were thinking the same thing and it shows.