Clubhouse drama

[HERPDERP]

Sorry if posted anywhere else

 

 

Again, amidst a 4-11 August, a #Bluejays player told me today: "Now you know what (Bautista) meant about not doing (crap) at the deadline."

 

Safe to say, the Jays seem to be blaming AA for this fiasco

 

And although we have the worst record in baseball since the deadline, just look at how well things have gone for Oakland & Detroit

[Governator]

Sorry if posted anywhere else

 

 

Again, amidst a 4-11 August, a #Bluejays player told me today: "Now you know what (Bautista) meant about not doing (crap) at the deadline."

 

Safe to say, the Jays seem to be blaming AA for this fiasco

 

And although we have the worst record in baseball since the deadline, just look at how well things have gone for Oakland & Detroit

 

 

Bunch of cry baby millionaires preaching to the choir. Suck it up, the roster has better players on it then it did all of last month with 50% less effort. All pitchers should be happy they have a job after the deadline and want to prove why they are on the team. The rest need to man up and lead by example both at the plate on the field.

 

Done with this season.

[leaffie]

Maybe the players need to look at themselves, and get out there and do their jobs. Maybe Bautista would have liked it if AA had traded him to make some additions to the team. I have probably been this team's biggest cheerleader, but the play since the break has been disgusting.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Sometimes it looks like they're not even trying. It's pitiful. Go out and play with some heart for once.

[wardhenke1]

It is easy to blame the players. They earn millions, many of them are arrogant *******s and like (most of) us have a job to do regardless of their personal feelings towards their situation.

 

But these are human beings and however much we might mock, deride and/or hate them for this, it is hard for some of them not to get demoralized when you are trying your best (remember on July 31st we were 60-50 on a 6 game winning streak, 3 games up on a wild card) and your FO does dick all, especially while other teams around you make trades that were imminently doable without having to give up major pieces.

 

Please also note that this could be applied to the entire off-season and this season in which the FO has not come close to making a single move for an impact player (without having to ask the players to defer their salaries first of course).

 

Don't get me wrong I would cheerfully blow up this team today and trade them all for a bucket of prospects. There is no evidence that this is a team capable of winning consistently; take away May 2014 and this team is 117-141 over two seasons.

Edited August 20, 2014 by wardhenke1

[reedjohnsonfan]

That's a good point. You have to consider that the non-acquisitions on July 31st have hurt their play.

[TDotttt2005]

What you have to realize is that these guys don't look at things as we do, that they're millionaires playing a kid's game, so they should just shut up and play and be happy doing it. Players see things on a relative basis. Relative to other millionaires playing a kid's game on teams like the Yankees, RedSox, etc. who's employers did spend the money, and stepped up to make the deals to attempt to make their teams better. Its a despairing Why Me? I think if you see it that way, its more understandable why the Jays players feel that way.

 

That said, and while I do agree with it, they need to stop using the deadline as a crutch, and go out and play the hand they were dealt.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Just a lack of professionalism throughout the organization.

 

Makes you respect organizations like the San Antonio Spurs, STL Cardinals, Chicago Blackhawks, etc. so much more.

[Boxcar]

Maybe the players need to look at themselves, and get out there and do their jobs. Maybe Bautista would have liked it if AA had traded him to make some additions to the team. I have probably been this team's biggest cheerleader, but the play since the break has been disgusting.

 

Because clearly Bautista, on pace for a 5+ win season, needs to step up and do something.

[KingKat]

 

Please also note that this could be applied to the entire off-season and this season in which the FO has not come close to making a single move for an impact player (without having to ask the players to defer their salaries first of course).

 

That's the real issue. The big off-season moves were acquiring Dioner Navarro and Eric Kratz and ditching JPA at catcher. The big deadline aquisition was Valencia at the cost of Kratz and a journeyman pitcher having a decent year. That's not a whole lot of progress in a considerable amount of time. AA and Beest keep saying they have money. If they have money why is it so damn hard for them to spend it?

[TheHurl]

Exactly I mean look at all the heart they showed last year when their team increased payroll by $30M....that's the kind of effort we'd like to see.

[SAAviour]

I for one am shocked that a team led by a whiney ass bitch like Bautista would whine about this and fold up shop.

[Boxcar]

I really find it amazing, and amusing, that fans of this team/sport get all hand-wavy because they are just "millionaires playing a kid's game" as if it didn't require tons of effort and skill to get to where they are at. I am much more comfortable with these guys making millions than most bank CEOs who have mostly kissed ass their way to the top and at least baseball players can't really do much in terms of crashing the economy.

 

f***ing grow a brain or something. These guys care about winning and we expect them to sit idly by while the FO does f*** all. These are athletes, most of them are dumb and don't filter what they say. This team was always going to be hovering around .500, and AA made sure that continued by doing nothing.

[reedjohnsonfan]

I for one am shocked that a team led by a whiney ass bitch like Bautista would whine about this and fold up shop.

 

Maybe AA forgot to put the possibility of the team folding if he does nothing into his little spreadsheet on July 31st.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

With all of this said, we are miraculously only 4.5 games out with 36 games to go (which includes a 4 game set against the Mariners at home in late September).

 

This defeatist attitude is just sickening when we still have a decent shot at making some noise.

[Boxcar]

Bautista has a line of .214/.353/.310 over the last two weeks. He's had a good second half but he's fallen apart during this crucial stretch.

 

Your team was within striking distance of a playoff position and you choked. Plain and simple. Some people respond to adversity by rising to the occasion and some fold up like a f***ing lawn chair.

 

Jose is a great player and I love having on this team but he needs to check the ego. If he wasn't such a douchebag I probably wouldn't be cherry picking a two week sample to throw him under the bus.. but he's just so unlikable so f*** it.

 

No time is more crucial than another. Him being good in April is the same as being good now. Mike Trout just had quite the slump, it happens to everyone. Bautista has had a great year and he absolutely should be upset.

[Angrioter]

1-Jose Bautista - 4.3 fWAR <----- Great year

2-Edwin Encarnacion - 2.9 fWAR

3-Jose Reyes - 2.7 fWAR

4-Melky Cabrera - 2.5 fWAR

5-Marcus Stroman - 2.1 fWAR

 

Those 4 guys have the right to complain about the front office

[SJE32]

It's only natural for any player to want their Management Team to add talent any time of year. As much as it is refreshing to heard them state their opinions to the media, commenting on what your GM/Ownership did or didn't do at the trade deadline has no real upside. Outside of throwing the GM under the bus. more importantly it says to the rest of your teammates "we are not good enough to win with the talent we presently have." Even though it was not your intent, Jose and Casey are also throwing some of your teammates under the bus as well. I know it is a business, but they are also athletes where where confidence is king. Casey as much as the Jays have benefited from your consistency as closer, it is time you hit the road. As for Batista, I am not as sure. This might be irrelevant but Jose is one of the few left over from the "Meltdown in Maryland" of 2009. Even last year Mark DeRosa said that there was something not right in that clubhouse.

 

Finally. if that was what the players' primary focus was on, then the biggest problem was in the clubhouse not on the field.

[Governator]

With all of this said, we are miraculously only 4.5 games out with 36 games to go (which includes a 4 game set against the Mariners at home in late September).

 

This defeatist attitude is just sickening when we still have a decent shot at making some noise.

 

 

They are a .500 ball club with 4 teams ahead of them to make the last wild card spot during the worst stretch of their season... I'm all for being optimistic but at best they'll be playing spoiler role in September.

[KingKat]

This might be a good time to remind people of what Bautista actually said. "He said he was a little disapointed". To infer from that that he threw his teammates under the bus and all this other stuff from such a mild comment is a bit of stretch. Maybe he is a good clubhouse influence and maybe he isn't but let's not make it like he made a big stink over this. He really didn't.

[BTS]

With all of this said, we are miraculously only 4.5 games out with 36 games to go (which includes a 4 game set against the Mariners at home in late September).

 

This defeatist attitude is just sickening when we still have a decent shot at making some noise.

 

They're 2 games over 0.500 and their run differential is +4. This is not a playoff team.

[Angrioter]

They're 2 games over 0.500 and their run differential is +4. This is not a playoff team.

 

or we're the 2012 O's. Joe Saunders (JA Happ) beat Darvish-Rangers (Richards-Angels).

 

Jays suck and the players know it!

[jays4life19]

I believe in miracles. Just not when they involve the jays.

[BigCecil]

I really find it amazing, and amusing, that fans of this team/sport get all hand-wavy because they are just "millionaires playing a kid's game" as if it didn't require tons of effort and skill to get to where they are at. I am much more comfortable with these guys making millions than most bank CEOs who have mostly kissed ass their way to the top and at least baseball players can't really do much in terms of crashing the economy.

 

f***ing grow a brain or something. These guys care about winning and we expect them to sit idly by while the FO does f*** all. These are athletes, most of them are dumb and don't filter what they say. This team was always going to be hovering around .500, and AA made sure that continued by doing nothing.

 

Well said...this off season and deadline in a year we had a real shot were complete f*** ups imo.

[TheHurl]

Start (or continue) the "Trade Bautista" off-season. This "all we have to do is make the playoffs and things will be okay" front office, had no back up plan and now they are better off not touching it rather than trying to fix it.

[BTS]

Start (or continue) the "Trade Bautista" off-season. This "all we have to do is make the playoffs and things will be okay" front office, had no back up plan and now they are better off not touching it rather than trying to fix it.

 

They won't move him. The talent level on this team is going to erode consistently over the next few years, both because their best players are on the wrong side of 30, and because they're going to hit free agency, and the team will have a hard time replacing them because they aren't inclined to pay even market value on the free agent market and don't have much coming in the upper minors. It starts this year when Janssen, Rasmus, and probably Melky will walk and return just a single comp pick.

[TDotttt2005]

3 Reasons not to trust the media :

 

1) Listening to talking heads tell us that for every player AA asked about, the other GM wanted Stroman AND Sanchez AND Hutchison

2) Listening to talking heads talk solely about teams like the A's and Tigers who did make good additions at the deadline, but have struggled in the past few weeks

3) Reading things like this I am much more comfortable with these guys making millions than most bank CEOs who have mostly kissed ass their way to the top and at least baseball players can't really do much in terms of crashing the economy. from people who most likely do not know anything more about banking beyond how to take money out of an ATM.

[RealAccountant]

That's a good point. You have to consider that the non-acquisitions on July 31st have hurt their play.

 

They are human no different then us. I think that the deadline killed the morale of this team.

 

We all have jobs. Imagine coming to the realization that your employers do not care how your company did

[RealAccountant]

They won't move him. The talent level on this team is going to erode consistently over the next few years, both because their best players are on the wrong side of 30, and because they're going to hit free agency, and the team will have a hard time replacing them because they aren't inclined to pay even market value on the free agent market and don't have much coming in the upper minors. It starts this year when Janssen, Rasmus, and probably Melky will walk and return just a single comp pick.

 

Not if he demands a trade in the offseason.

[wardhenke1]

Apparently Jon Morosi of Fox Sports feels the same way I do. "Anthopoulos should've made a trade."

 

Link: http://www.sportsnet.ca/590/

 

The worst record in baseball since the trade deadline.....