Offseason roster thread 2014

[Deadpool]

lol...just a few posts up?

 

Curse you "view first unread". Why must you never work correctly! *shakes fist*

[Spanky99]

Curse you "view first unread". Why must you never work correctly! *shakes fist*

 

That's one thing I don't like about this forum, it rarely does work properly.

[TBJ12]

It's BEER O'Clock...WOOHOO!!!

 

Not fair. You've just reminded me how much I hate working afternoons on Fridays.

[Deadpool]

It's BEER O'Clock...WOOHOO!!!

 

3 hours 'til beer o'clock for me But on the upside, it's also "jamming" o'clock then... w00t.

[Spanky99]

3 hours 'til beer o'clock for me But on the upside, it's also "jamming" o'clock then... w00t.

 

WOOHOO!!!

[TDotttt2005]

o wow...offseason is set then.

 

Mike Wilner ‏

@Wilnerness590

Exactly. Very clearly, Saunders is a better baseball player than Melky. Melky is a better hitter for average.

[Spanky99]

o wow...offseason is set then.

 

Mike Wilner ‏

@Wilnerness590

Exactly. Very clearly, Saunders is a better baseball player than Melky. Melky is a better hitter for average.

 

He may very well be spot on here?

[guylaroche5]

o wow...offseason is set then.

 

Mike Wilner ‏

@Wilnerness590

Exactly. Very clearly, Saunders is a better baseball player than Melky. Melky is a better hitter for average.

 

[Sammy225]

Holy s*** i agree with Wilner.... And even more amazing is I am not the only one!

[Abomination]

Norris needs to make his van cooler!

 

http://www.cbc.ca/asithappens/features/2015/02/05/for-sale-star-trek-boogie-van/

[Spanky99]

Holy s*** i agree with Wilner.... And even more amazing is I am not the only one!

 

Problem is, if it were vice-versa, he'd spin it in Melky's direction, lol.

[TwistedLogic]

 

No he's not. He's dumb as f*** and he's Wilner. Wilner has a way of making things that are potentially true look blatantly false because his egotistical douchebag self isn't capable of saying anything without coming off as an insufferable ****.

 

Saunders has strong potential to be a better baseball player than Melky, but he isn't "very clearly" better. Playing time is a skill, and Saunders has never consistently displayed that skill. He misses 30 games in a good season.

 

Melky has been worth 9.9 WAR over the last four years. Saunders has been worth 4.8 in that time.

 

Saunders can be better. We know he can, and we hope he will. As it stands, right now, Melky Cabrera is "very clearly" the better player between the two.

[TwistedLogic]

Problem is, if it were vice-versa, he'd spin it in Melky's direction, lol.

 

Exactly this. There isn't a snowflake's chance in hell that Wilner would claim Saunders is a better player between the two if the situation were reversed. He's full of s*** and he's a disgrace to "journalism".

[KingKat]

I would rather you do this than your child get older and you have to see them in jail or anything like that,

 

That's quite the false dichotomy but I do agree that this isn't a big deal. As discipline goes, it's pretty tame and a lot more amusing than harmful.

[Spanky99]

Exactly this. There isn't a snowflake's chance in hell that Wilner would claim Saunders is a better player between the two if the situation were reversed. He's full of s*** and he's a disgrace to "journalism".

 

He feeds his family TL...little known fact, Wilner used to question in game management and not use arbitrary numbers, before he almost lost his job, stopped listening soon after, he "HAS" to toe the company line, blame Rogers/Beeston or Cito.

[intentional wok]

Exactly this. There isn't a snowflake's chance in hell that Wilner would claim Saunders is a better player between the two if the situation were reversed. He's full of s*** and he's a disgrace to "journalism".

 

He spins everything in current Jays' players favour. When they leave for another club, he won't turn on them but he also won't defend them with the same gusto either (see: Melky < Saunders - an argument he'd probably never make before a few months ago).

 

The only exception I can really think of is his reaction to Juan Francisco. He seemed to out-and-out hate the guy, always referencing his awful, awful stats. Now, he wasn't wrong, per se, but he very obviously doesn't talk about other underperforming players in the same way. I always took it as his way of belittling the fans who praised Francisco for his HRs, which leads me to believe most of Wilner's schtick is to be a smug contrarian. If he let fans outreason him, he'd look really bad at his job (his job, of course, being to sound like he knows what he's talking about).

[TwistedLogic]

He feeds his family TL...little known fact, Wilner used to question in game management and not use arbitrary numbers, before he almost lost his job, stopped listening soon after, he "HAS" to toe the company line, blame Rogers/Beeston or Cito.

 

There's a difference between toeing the company line and acting like a jackass douche. He's like Law, except he doesn't actually know anything, which makes him completely useless.

 

There are plenty of good to decent writers that work for Rogers, like Davidi and BNS, who don't come off as total morons but aren't exactly starving on the side of the street either.

[Spanky99]

There's a difference between toeing the company line and acting like a jackass douche. He's like Law, except he doesn't actually know anything, which makes him completely useless.

 

There are plenty of good to decent writers that work for Rogers, like Davidi and BNS, who don't come off as total morons but aren't exactly starving on the side of the street either.

 

He had a well paved line, until Cito-Gate, was supposed to get his own on-line tv aired show like the Leafs, I believe he's cynical since that rug was stripped, just as JP Wednesdays were abolished. I'd do the same thing.

[Spanky99]

There's a difference between toeing the company line and acting like a jackass douche. He's like Law, except he doesn't actually know anything, which makes him completely useless.

 

There are plenty of good to decent writers that work for Rogers, like Davidi and BNS, who don't come off as total morons but aren't exactly starving on the side of the street either.

 

P.S. They'd never do what Wilner has to.

[Spanky99]

He spins everything in current Jays' players favour. When they leave for another club, he won't turn on them but he also won't defend them with the same gusto either (see: Melky < Saunders - an argument he'd probably never make before a few months ago).

 

The only exception I can really think of is his reaction to Juan Francisco. He seemed to out-and-out hate the guy, always referencing his awful, awful stats. Now, he wasn't wrong, per se, but he very obviously doesn't talk about other underperforming players in the same way. I always took it as his way of belittling the fans who praised Francisco for his HRs, which leads me to believe most of Wilner's schtick is to be a smug contrarian. If he let fans outreason him, he'd look really bad at his job (his job, of course, being to sound like he knows what he's talking about).

 

He was driven that way, period.

[Frenchsoup]

o wow...offseason is set then.

 

Mike Wilner ‏

@Wilnerness590

Exactly. Very clearly, Saunders is a better baseball player than Melky. Melky is a better hitter for average.

 

Yeah i disagree with Wilner here quite a bit. Melky is an everyday player with no platoon splits and yes his D ain't great but its not terrible at the same time. Our park doesn't require elite defense either because its smaller. Saunders probably shouldn't be playing against lefties and that makes him less valuable imo. I do expect quite a power spike from Saunders though so this could change by the end of this year.

[Laika]

Reds sign Badenhop and DFA Ismael Guillon.

 

Guillon is a guy that you should want.

 

Ismael Guillon

Born: 02/13/1992 (Age: 22)

Bats: Left Throws: Left

Height: 6' 2" Weight: 210

 

Mechanics

Big, strong frame; listed 6'2"-210 is accurate; major-league body; 3/4 slot; arm works well; arm strength is apparent; delivery isn't difficult, but is often rushed leading to command issues; some cause for injury concern if he consistently gets into bad habits; whips head noticeably after release.

Evaluator Chris Rodriguez

Report Date 08/25/2014

Affiliate Bakersfield Blaze (High A, Reds)

Dates Seen 7/26

OFP 50

Realistic 45; Middle-reliever/lefty specialist

Video No

Pitch Type Present Grade Future Grade Sitting Velocity Peak Velocity Report

FB 45 55 89-91 92 Fringe fastball in this outing; worked it 89-90 early in the start and bumped it up to 91-92 when he needed it; solid arm-side run; command was fringy; missed up and in the middle of the plate often but pitched out of jams; command will need to take a step forward to be effective against stiffer competition.

CH 70 70 75-76 77 Plus-plus offering; outstanding arm-speed creates lots of deception; ball dies getting to the plate; big time vertical drop; velocity is often 10-15 mph off the fastball; command was average; left it up on occasion; best when it starts at the thigh it drops to the dirt or around the ankles; very confident with the pitch.

CB 45 50 77-79 80 Fringy pitch; has good shape, but lacks big bite; can come and go; can drop it for strikes; inconsistent command/control; will flash one inning then lose it for two consecutive innings; gets on the side of it at times and turns into a slurve; playable pitch at the highest level, I think it'll get better.

Overall

Guillon had a solid outing, giving up three runs on five hits in a nice six inning start, with three K's and three walks. He pitched out of a couple jams, going with his plus-plus changeup in big spots to limit the damage. Unfortunately, he wasn't quite right in his last handful of outings in August and was placed on the 7-day DL. Guillon had a ton of upside even up until this season, but the fastball that was up to 97 mph hasn't resurfaced and settled more in the low 90's. With that speed, the command needs to be that much better and it simply wasn't in this start. The body, changeup, and left-handedness all scream to give him more time to develop, but lots of questions loom. Can he remain healthy with Tommy John surgery already on his resume? Can he regain his fastball velocity? Will his command take a big step forward? I'm pessimistic that any of these come to fruition, but I still think he can progress enough to reach the big leagues as a reliever with that changeup and two other solid offerings. If it all clicks, the ceiling is a back-end starter that can eat some innings.

 

("factor on the farm" in recent Reds top 10)

 

3. LHP Ismael Guillon: Guillon comes with a big fastball that could play up in relief, perhaps as “up” as the mid-90s with arm-side life. His changeup is a swing-and-miss pitch that comes with disappearing action and good deception, giving him a one-two punch capable of neutralizing lefties and righties alike. The breaking ball is inconsistent, but has its moments, providing a third potential major-league caliber weapon. Guillon is running out of options, which could force Cincy to shift him to the pen in spite of a foundation that could allow for starter development in time. If that shift to the pen does come, he could move quickly to Cincy where the Venezuelan could eventually grow into a late-inning option.

 

Here is a pre-2013 report (ranked #6 in Reds top 10):

 

6. Ismael Guillon

 

The Tools: 6+ FB; 6 CH; 5 potential CB

 

What Happened in 2012: Low and slow, Guillon finally made it to full-season ball, making four starts in Dayton after a strong showing in the Pioneer League.

 

Strengths: Strong; good balance in delivery; works fastball in the low-90s; good run; easy plus pitch from left-side; several sources put a 6 on present changeup; very good arm speed; action; can pound the zone; aptitude for pitching.

 

Weaknesses: Lacks physical projection; curveball is more show than showcase; fringe at best at present; might develop into solid-average offering; can lose plane and work up.

 

Overall Future Potential: High 5; no. 3 starter

 

Explanation of Risk: High risk; Tommy John on resume; only four starts at full-season level.

 

Fantasy Future: Has bat-missing potential and two plus pitches from the left side; held velocity well in 2012; has pitchability and profiles as a mid-rotation type.

 

The Year Ahead: Healthy and ready for a full-season workload, 2013 will tell us a lot about Guillon and his potential. Southpaws with lively low-90s fastballs and plus changeups pitch in the major-league level, and if the curveball steps up, this could be a very good prospect. Obviously, the injury history, lack of a plus breaking ball, and limited projection could limit the upside, but the now stuff is very good and with more refinement, the 21-year-old could take off in 2013.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

I really wanted Badenhop. If it's a cheap signing for the Reds I'll be pissed. If it's north of $4M, well, I get it I guess.

[Laika]

I really wanted Badenhop. If it's a cheap signing for the Reds I'll be pissed. If it's north of $4M, well, I get it I guess.

 

It's 1 million + 1.5M buyout on a 4M option for next year.

 

Get pissed bro!

[SaskJaysFan_2]

It's 1 million + 1.5M buyout on a 4M option for next year.

 

Get pissed bro!

 

f***. Cheap and backloaded? Really? f***.

[Gorlak]

Gotta wonder at this point what AA's plan for the bullpen is. Is he comfortable with the bullpen as is?

[Jimcanuck]

Gotta wonder at this point what AA's plan for the bullpen is. Is he comfortable with the bullpen as is?

 

Looks like it. Throw some s*** and see what sticks.

[Gorlak]

Spending money on the BP generally is a bad idea, but the Badenhop deal seems semi-reasonable.

 

I agree with not spending big on members of the bullpen, but they need a couple more players above replacement level. The bullpen as it stands will cost this team a lot of games, Unless Castro and Sanchez both kill it.

[RealAccountant]

"A lot of games". The difference between the most elite bullpen in baseball and a replacement one is not even 5 wins.

 

You honestly can't believe this is true.

[glory]

Cecil and Loup should be very good, and they seem determined to have Sanchez there, so if he's anything like that season he should be decent over a full season. Then if Estrada makes the rotation like I expect him to, then Redmond is the long man again. Which leaves three spots for high leverage innings between some combination of Delabar, Lopez, Drabek, Rasmussen, Jenkins, Guilmet, West, Perez, Infante, da Silva, etc.

 

It's not going to be a great pen, but I don't think it will be a weakness. The rotation if someone gets hurt is going to be in much bigger trouble.