Offseason roster thread 2014

[KingKat]

Yes, sir.

 

He hasn't been with the Jays 5 years.

[Spanky99]

He hasn't been with the Jays 5 years.

 

It doesn't work that way mate, he can refuse assignment. He has since passed the MLB service time requirement.

[Laika]

He hasn't been with the Jays 5 years.

 

"ARTICLE XIX—Assignment of Player Contracts

A. Consent to Assignment

(1) The contract of a Player with ten or more years of Major

League service, the last five of which have been with one Club,

shall not be assignable to another Major League Club without the

Player’s written consent. At his sole election, however, a Player

may, at the time he signs a multi-year contract with a Club, waive

the right to prevent an assignment of his contract under this Section

A(1), provided that the multi-year contract (a) is signed before the

Player has attained ten or more years of Major League service, the

last five of which have been with one Club, and ( contains a no

trade provision that, at a minimum, limits the Club’s right to assign

the Player’s contract, during each of its years, to no more than sixteen

(16) Clubs designated or subsequently to be designated by the

Player.

(2) (a) The contract of a Player with five or more years of Major

League service, not including service while on the Military List (or

seven or more years of Major League service, including service

while on the Military List), shall not be assigned otherwise than to

another Major League Club, without the Player’s written consent."

 

The bolded portion of the above CBA excerpt is commonly known as the "veteran's consent" rule.

 

Subsection (1) directly above it outlines "10/5" rights.

[Spanky99]

He hasn't been with the Jays 5 years.

 

Found this...

 

5 years

A player with at least 5 years of Major League service may not be demoted to the minor leagues on optional assignment without his consent. A 5-year player who refuses an optional assignment to the minors must be offered his release.

 

Oh, nvm...NJH all over it...

[burlingtonbandit]

In that case Izturis should just be released..

[Spanky99]

In that case Izturis should just be released..

 

Not yet he shouldn't, that'd be reckless.

[Laika]

In that case Izturis should just be released..

 

Izturis should

 

a) have never been signed

have been released immediately after 2013

c) yes, definitely be released before 2015.

 

he's a plug

[Spanky99]

Izturis should

 

a) have never been signed

have been released immediately after 2013

c) yes, definitely be released before 2015.

 

he's a plug

 

All we have is plugs.

[RealAccountant]

I'm starting to think AA maxed out the budget when he signed Martin and Now we are left with a bullpen that will includes the likes of Ricky Romero and Kyle Drabek

[burlingtonbandit]

I'm starting to think AA maxed out the budget when he signed Martin and Now we are left with a bullpen that will includes the likes of Ricky Romero and Kyle Drabek

 

Even if it did max out the budget it was a great signing. Improved the team more than it could have anywhere else.

[Deadpool]

There's a non-zero chance he accepts assignment to AAA if it's offered... Not like he's going to get anything other than a MILB deal from any other team, and he's probably got a better chance to see time in the majors with the Jays than any/many other teams due to our intrinsic weakness @ 2B...

 

*shrug* I'm not fussy either way, but since we're paying him regardless, might as well TRY to stash him in AAA

[burlingtonbandit]

Izturis should

 

a) have never been signed

have been released immediately after 2013

c) yes, definitely be released before 2015.

 

he's a plug

 

Honestly, I didn't mind the signing. 10 million isn't much and he had some pretty good years in the past. He wasn't expected to be THAT bad.

[Angrioter]

Marco Estrada, RP or SP?

http://www.bluebirdbanter.com/2015/1/27/7918463/the-case-against-marco-estrada-reliever

[TheHurl]

Got to say this is an impressive sign

 

http://cdn.fangraphs.com/fantasy/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Justin-Smoak-Distance-Trend.png

 

Flyball distance for Smoak.

[flafson]

Got to say this is an impressive sign

 

http://cdn.fangraphs.com/fantasy/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Justin-Smoak-Distance-Trend.png

 

Flyball distance for Smoak.

 

Could also mean he's on PED...

[reedjohnsonfan]

Got to say this is an impressive sign

 

http://cdn.fangraphs.com/fantasy/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Justin-Smoak-Distance-Trend.png

 

Flyball distance for Smoak.

 

20 feet or so, is that even a big difference? Doesn't seem like it.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Yes. 390 ft -> 410 ft can be an out to HR.

 

Right, but so can 399 and 401, but if his average fly ball distance increased by 2 feet, that would be basically nothing.

[BTS]

A 20 foot increase in FB distance is significant.

[TheHurl]

as a comparison...297 last year would have him in the top 30 in all of baseball if he were eligible (top 30 doesn't necessarily mean a huge HR hitter Wilson Ramos hit 11 and was in 13th...I'll let you look at the list and make your own assessments about FB distance) but his 288.13 had him in 85th. 284.12 in 2012 was 121st. 279.16 in 2011 had him in 144th.

 

http://www.baseballheatmaps.com/graph/distanceleader.php

 

Like I said FB distance doesn't guarantee anything with HR's but his expected HR to FB rate last season was 15.4% and his actual HR to FB rate was 9.7%. I wasn't a fan of the move but I think more positively about it now.

[TwistedLogic]

[TwistedLogic]

Right, but so can 399 and 401, but if his average fly ball distance increased by 2 feet, that would be basically nothing.

 

I nominate this as the worst post of the year, without even letting the rest of 2015 play out.

[LunchBox]

I nominate this as the worst post of the year, without even letting the rest of 2015 play out.

 

Glad someone said it. Seemingly with every RJF post, I find myself fighting the urge to report it just to request an "anti-thank button". At which point, I stomp around my living room as such:

 

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/4452859/wanderlust-angry-brother-o.gif

[TwistedLogic]

Report: Player A hit 30 homers in 2011. Since then, his home run total has shown a steady increase each year, to where he hit a very impressive 50 home runs in 2014.

 

Commenter: But wut if he hit 29 homers in 2011 and 31 homers in 2014? tha'ts only two moar homerz. that's basically nothing,

[Laika]

I really don't think that questioning the significance of a 20 foot increase in average fly ball distance is stupid. For all he knows, that type of increase might have moved Smoak from the 40th percentile to, say, the 50th...

 

It's not readily apparent that a 20 foot increase in average FB distance would translate into a lot more HR. The comment was made by someone who didn't know about Smoak's xHR/FB, or what that meant for his place in the population, etc.

 

It's not stupid to be hesitant about gobbling up positive Blue Jays stat factoids like they're crunch berries.

[TwistedLogic]

I really don't think that questioning the significance of a 20 foot increase in average fly ball distance is stupid.

 

I don't either. I think it's stupid to say "20 feet is not a lot because 2 feet is not a lot".

[Laika]

I don't either. I think it's stupid to say "20 feet is not a lot because 2 feet is not a lot".

 

He didn't say that, exactly. He responded to JFaS' answer with a decent reason as to why JFaS' answer was not satisfactory.

[flafson]

What's the chance Stroman will start on opening day?

[TwistedLogic]

He didn't say that, exactly. He responded to JFaS' answer with a decent reason as to why JFaS' answer was not satisfactory.

 

Well maybe JFaS should have worded his post of

 

"Yes. 390 ft -> 410 ft can be an out to HR."

 

as

 

"Yes. 390 ft -> 410 ft can turn a lot of outs into HRs."

 

But you'd hope people would be smart enough to deduce that on their own. Yeah, the original wording could have been better, where it's true that 20 feet can change an out into a homer the same way 2 feet can, but it should be pretty obvious that 20 feet will change many more outs into homers than 2 feet will.

[Laika]

Well maybe JFaS should have worded his post of

 

"Yes. 390 ft -> 410 ft can be an out to HR."

 

as

 

"Yes. 390 ft -> 410 ft can turn a lot of outs into HRs."

 

But you'd hope people would be smart enough to deduce that on their own. Yeah, the original wording could have been better, where it's true that 20 feet can change an out into a homer the same way 2 feet can, but it should be pretty obvious that 20 feet will change many more outs into homers than 2 feet will.

 

It's not really about somebody being "stupid", it's about somebody wanting more information or a different kind of information, and not asking for it effectively. It's a communication failure, not a brain cell failure.

[Qwerty]

My James Shields proposal on behalf of Jays:

 

 

4 yrs 80M with potential for 5 yrs 105M

 

1) 10 M - age 33

2) 20 M - age 34

3) 25 M - age 35

4) 25 M - age 36

5) 25 M (VESTING) - age 37

 

5th Year vests if:

 

1) he has > 600 IP in first three years and he isn’t currently injured.

 

OR

 

2) If in 3rd yr he has over 12 wins and has at least 6 playoff IP (in year 3) and he isn’t currently injured.

 

OR

 

3) If in year 3 he has > 210 IP and he isn’t currently injured.

 

 

 

*** He takes a pay-cut in year 1 for benefit of very achievable 5th year. Vesting controlled by performance up through/during age 35 season.