Beeston: Jays payroll will go up in 2015

[TheHurl]

We were all a lot dumber back then. As fans, we thought Olerude wasn't good anymore. It's kind of like some of the crap you still hear about Joey Votto.

 

It was a crazy era. His .294/.400/.489 line (with 100 RBIs) in his contract year earned him a 2 year 8M (decrease in pay) contract.

[Governator]

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[TheHurl]

Happ's fastball velocity has increased with age and he has also increased it's use. It's fair to say that we can't really be comparing Happ today of old.

 

However, I do want to trade him because I think it's opportune to sell while high and I want to give Norris a shot at the rotation next year. I don't think Dickey will be traded. I could see Buehrle going first.

 

And he's a 31 year old who needs that uptick in his fastball to be an acceptable 5th starter (the swinging strike rate continues to drop despite the velo increase). I just have a hard time believing that a 32 year old is going to improve to where he's a big value win on that $6.5M he's set to earn. I think he'll likely earn that for the Jays which is why I don't mind them picking up the option...but if that FB velo drops he probably becomes replacement level. So it makes sense to pick up the option and explore a trade...or start the season with him and if he pitches well you look for a trade, if he sucks you might have to drop him to make room for Norris in June anyway. Once again I really don't think Buehrle is getting moved, nor is Dickey.

[GD]

Yeah, no idea how to carry over column formatting from Excel

 

Yeah I have no idea how either, it's annoying.

[TheHurl]

Thanks for putting that together Moog and I know you aren't looking to predict what the team will look like, but the team you listed is likely a 75-78 win $110M team that is going to sell zero extra season tickets in the off season and have the fans raging against the ownership group.

[Dr. Dinger]

Turn on the WYSIWYG in the advanced post options and then paste your table.

[NorthOf49]

What I do is save the table as a CSV then convert it to bbcode using this tool: http://charles-reace.com/Kindle_Hacks/csv2bbcode/

 

You can then post that output.

[jays76]

The whole thing is just so ridiculous. There is no payroll space. That much is obvious given that they haven't added a player with a salary exceeding $3 million since the end of last season. There isn't a problem with that - a $135 million payroll commitment from Rogers is more than enough to win if you have a decent FO. They just sound incredibly stupid spouting off about how "the flexibility is there". If the flexibility is there, f***ing use it to improve the team that's tied for a wild card spot. Either the FO is lying about payroll flexibility, or they've been trying fruitlessly to spend some cash for the last 10 months and are just ineffective beyond all understanding. Either way, Beeston and AA are embarrassing themselves.

 

Hallelujah! I couldn't have said it better myself, that is where 95% of the fan (and players too apparently) frustration is coming from this year..

Edited August 8, 2014 by jays76

[Inklink]

*sniff sniff* I smell ********.

 

PS: someone please tell Beeston it isn't 1980. Time for a new look.

[Ziggyy108]

What a f***ing joke.

[Frenchsoup]

Fire Beeston please ,and shoot a flaming arrow at his banner.

[HERPDERP]

“If we don’t win this year, we win next year,” Beeston said. “ If we don’t win next year, we win the year after."

 

Reminds me of Tim Wakefield's perpetual contract lol

 

"if you sign me for next year, you sign me for the year after as well"

[TheHurl]

Can somebody just drive Goins over the mexican border. Strip him naked and steal his passport. Boom no longer an option at second base.

 

a present for Ang?

[jays_fever]

It's officially gotten to the point where im convinced he honestly believes in his own ********.

[abola2121]

If Beeston's on the hot seat, he'll reassign AA to a different position (not fire him outright), and replace him with Tony LaCava.

[Key22]

I don't know what bautista is complaining about. To get Lester the Jays would have had to trade Bautista. Clearly Boston wanted a controllable right handed bat. Price was pitching for a division rival so that wasn't happening. So exactly who was trade outside of those two who would be an over the top difference maker? Nobody that's who - Cliff Lee? Yeah that would have worked out well.

 

Prado/Headly/Valencia - kinda all the same. Considering the injuries and sucky play from EE, Lawrie, Lind, Morrow, Santos and Delabar and a gaping hole in CF and 2B I'm pretty impressed by how well the team has played.

 

You just can't trade Sanchez and Stroman to a division rival for one year of a pitcher. And I'm pretty sure the asking price for ANYONE remotely good was one or both of those two guys. It's not about money - it's about doing something stupid to try to win this year. If one guy is that much of a difference maker then the team would likely get trounced in the first round anyway.

[Dick_Pole]

Ash did draft a few key players, but really over the course of his tenure it wasn't good enough IMO. I agree his trades were dreadful.

 

To be fair to Ash, he also made one of the best trades in the team's history...Jose Cruz for two mediocre relievers. Cruz was a very good player over the years but at the time he was considered a top blue chip prospect.

 

Regarding Clemens, there was that alleged handshake deal with Beeston that after 2 years Roger could request a trade and I think the Yankees were on that very short list. Ash's hands were tied there and didn't get a bad haul back considering the circumstances. It was trading Wells for Sirotka that was so embarrassingly bad.

 

Regarding Olerud, it was everyone's favorite manager Gaston that allegedly forced his hand there. It was a terrible trade and he should have gotten a lot more than Person, but he probably doesn't trade Olerud in a normal circumstance where he isn't such a pushover.

[Frenchsoup]

I don't know what bautista is complaining about. To get Lester the Jays would have had to trade Bautista. Clearly Boston wanted a controllable right handed bat. Price was pitching for a division rival so that wasn't happening. So exactly who was trade outside of those two who would be an over the top difference maker? Nobody that's who - Cliff Lee? Yeah that would have worked out well.

 

Prado/Headly/Valencia - kinda all the same. Considering the injuries and sucky play from EE, Lawrie, Lind, Morrow, Santos and Delabar and a gaping hole in CF and 2B I'm pretty impressed by how well the team has played.

 

So your saying if all 3 were free agents today Valencia would be in the same ballpark money wise with the other 2? i don't believe that for one second.

[Angrioter]

Rogers, keep your money, Alex and Beeston are a couple of morons!!

[Frenchsoup]

The other 2 guys are everyday players Valencia can only hit lefties which is useful what 25% of the time?

[GeorgiaPeach]

2015 feels like our last chance for a while anyway (depending how our young starters develop).

 

It doesn't have to be.

 

But no one wants the star players traded, including the Front Office so you're 100% correct.

[CJ-Freeway]

Lol @ Beeston

[GeorgiaPeach]

The whole thing is just so ridiculous. There is no payroll space. That much is obvious given that they haven't added a player with a salary exceeding $3 million since the end of last season. There isn't a problem with that - a $135 million payroll commitment from Rogers is more than enough to win if you have a decent FO. They just sound incredibly stupid spouting off about how "the flexibility is there". If the flexibility is there, f***ing use it to improve the team that's tied for a wild card spot. Either the FO is lying about payroll flexibility, or they've been trying fruitlessly to spend some cash for the last 10 months and are just ineffective beyond all understanding. Either way, Beeston and AA are embarrassing themselves.

 

What bothers me about Alex is he won't overpay for a free agent (E.Santana & reported others), because maybe the value isn't there, but he'll overpay like a motherf*** in making trades.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Cliffs on Gord Ash? I was too young to pay attention.

 

Every pitcher was a "quality arm"

 

Even pitchers who weren't Jays.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Sure you could. Remember Gord Ash?

 

I nabbed Ash's autograph when I was in Philly in '96.

 

One of my prized possessions

[Key22]

Prado has underperformed. Headly has injury issues. He had a .651 OPS in San Diego. This is hardly a difference maker for a guy who would sit on the bench a couple of weeks for Lawrie to replace him. Valencia makes more sense for a replacement player given he was hitting better than Headley and in the AL. It was a far smarter baseball move at the time. Prado has been awful. Headly is the best of the three but it's not like he is a stud 3-4 hitter who can put a team over the top. He wasn't going to replace a healthy Bret Lawrie.

 

Anyone who thinks Prado or Headley would turn this team into a WS winner is a tool.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Especially trading Clemens to the Yankees.. NEVER trade a top pitcher in division.

 

What if the return is far greater than what you're trading?

[Key22]

He has to because free agents will not sign here. The turf is too hard the dirt is too soft - a bunch of panzy ass athletes. Then there are the chickenshits who didn't want to play in a tough division and get rocked. Or they worry about the tax rate. We can get the PED guy who no one wanted or other scrubs desperate for a job. So he has to trade to get anyone.

 

Everyone whines about all the prospects (soon to be scrubs) we gave up but now also complains that we're not making trades to land overthetop players. Take Buerhle, Reyes, Dickey, Melky, Navarro out of the roster and replace them with all the guys we traded and this would be a dead last place team. Even with the complaining about Reyes he is better than the other two guys who would be manning the position had we kept them.

 

As for giving up too much - that will depend on what they do. Miami just traded some of the so called stud talent we gave them. So they were not exactly impressed either. Trading Alvarez was the one guy I didn't like moving at the time - I sort of understood it thinking he'd be a reliever but I would have tried moving other pieces.

[IBTrini]

The whole thing is just so ridiculous. There is no payroll space. That much is obvious given that they haven't added a player with a salary exceeding $3 million since the end of last season. There isn't a problem with that - a $135 million payroll commitment from Rogers is more than enough to win if you have a decent FO. They just sound incredibly stupid spouting off about how "the flexibility is there". If the flexibility is there, f***ing use it to improve the team that's tied for a wild card spot. Either the FO is lying about payroll flexibility, or they've been trying fruitlessly to spend some cash for the last 10 months and are just ineffective beyond all understanding. Either way, Beeston and AA are embarrassing themselves.

Even though I do not know the facts as to what was being asked for at the trade-deadline, the information coming out now makes this situation really ridiculous. The bottom line is a huge opportunity was presented to the FO this season and they came up short - now that's both sad and truly embarrassing!

[Olerud363]

If they had been able to keep Clemens, the Jays might've made the playoffs back in 1999 or 2000.

 

Switching Clemens and Wells didn't make any difference... Clemens had a couple of down years in 1999 and 2000 before "rejuvinating". Wells won 37 games. A 4something era was actually good in late 90s.

 

You never know exactly what would of happened.... I suppose Clemens may have pitched better in Toronto in 1999 and 2000... maybe he went off roids for a couple of years.