Blue Jays to Teams: "We can't take on any extra money."

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

Still not sure how it's Rogers fault. He gave AA the go a head to spend money and AA went hard like a kid in a candy store and spent everything without thinking a head to the future. He took on very dumb contracts. Not Rogers fault it's AA fault.

Exactly. I'm not a huge fan of Rogers' ownership but they are being used as a scapegoat for Beeston and AA's incompetence.

[mitchf]

Exactly. I'm not a huge fan of Rogers' ownership but they are being used as a scapegoat for Beeston and AA's incompetence.

Rogers hasn't done a single thing wrong in AA's tenure outside of allowing AA too much tenure. You think Alex's Blue Jays is responsible for the attendance, tv ratings and merchandise sales boosts? The way they've handled their coverage, television/radio and just generating a general buzz about the team has been admirable.

[sh3156]

Exactly. I'm not a huge fan of Rogers' ownership but they are being used as a scapegoat for Beeston and AA's incompetence.

 

Exactly had this money been available in the JPR era, he would have made it count.

 

Atleast BJ Ryan had one season as an absoloute MVP closer, which is more then we can say for the sad bunch he has acquired

 

Reyes has just given up.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

What was your prediction for the team in 2013 again?

So because some fans were initially suckered in by AA's desperation trades, that means this "window" hasn't been a disastrous failure?

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

Rogers hasn't done a single thing wrong in AA's tenure outside of allowing AA too much tenure.

Don't forget allowing that old fossil Beeston continue to destroy this franchise.

[ElNik2013]

Alex was failing, given a chance to prove he can evaluate talent, failed, given a chance to right the ship, failed. He'll be kicked out soon.

 

Ownership sees what's happening, otherwise Alex would've traded for Chase Headley.

 

 

I just don't get why they wouldn't have already fired him if they saw he had failed. I have hypothesized in other threads that maybe they have hired a consultant in secret to evaluate him and have told them not to make any moves without their consent, at least any major moves.

[sh3156]

I just don't get why they wouldn't have already fired him if they saw he had failed. I have hypothesized in other threads that maybe they have hired a consultant in secret to evaluate him and have told them not to make any moves without their consent, at least any major moves.

 

Its possible. Over the last couple of years Rogers has brought in some big time names both on the NHL side and the NBA side

 

So I wouldn't put it past them to have a decent MLB name in wings

[jaysfan2014]

I imagine it's not just the Jays facing financial limitations at the deadline either. KC, Cleveland, Baltimore and Seattle are likely in the same boat.

[ElNik2013]

So because some fans were initially suckered in by AA's desperation trades, that means this "window" hasn't been a disastrous failure?

 

It was just a simple question, don't get all riled up.

[sh3156]

I imagine it's not just the Jays facing financial limitations at the deadline either. KC, Cleveland, Baltimore and Seattle are likely in the same boat.

 

I have changed my mind, I hope Rogers fires AA and has someone sell and sell hard. This could be a 70Mil payroll, if we sell these guys off

[ElNik2013]

Its possible. Over the last couple of years Rogers has brought in some big time names both on the NHL side and the NBA side

 

So I wouldn't put it past them to have a decent MLB name in wings

 

Thing is, there's no reason to have waited this long to make a move. If they already have someone waiting in the wings, they're wasting valuable time, especially with the deadline coming up. They could be looking at trying to trade some players to retool or go into a full rebuild (highly unlikely).

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

It was just a simple question, don't get all riled up.

I'm not riled up at all. I've seen the "but you liked the trades when they happened!" defense for AA plenty of times on here, and it makes no sense. Initial fan reaction is immaterial, what matters is the results and those have been awful.

[jaysfan2014]

I know there are a few teams who can't take any more money as well to my guess:

Atlanta, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Cincy, Oakland (questionable). Many of these are small markets who are already maxed out on payroll, and likely will demand teams eat salary in trades.

 

I believe the Yankees are in the same boat as well, especially considering they are already over the tax and have to pay a 40% penalty for every dollar.

[ElNik2013]

I'm not riled up at all. I've seen the "but you liked the trades when they happened!" defense for AA plenty of times on here, and it makes no sense. Initial fan reaction is immaterial, what matters is the results and those have been awful.

 

 

Not defending AA. I was fine with seeing through the supposed rebuild. It's just that some fans act like they know it all when they were as wrong as the "dumb FO".

 

 

Over all, I couldn't care less about AA, I just happen to think good franchises are built from the top on down. In other words, if AA is so bad, then a good owner would've already fired him. The fact that ownership leaves most of its decisions to Beeston doesn't instill much confidence in me when it comes to their vision for this franchise, but that's just me.

[sh3156]

Rogers is so poor they are bidding on the Bills.

 

Ever since Bills associated themselves with this City they have been garbage. Last time they went to the playoffs was before the Toronto deal

[GeorgiaPeach]

@elliottbaseball 12s

Blue Jays telling teams in trade talks that they "can't take on any extrta money."

 

So how's this gonna work?

 

They refuse to trade anyone from their 25 man, leaving only prospects to trade and they want to bring on a vet making millions.

 

This is getting plain stupid.

[GeorgiaPeach]

A $140 budget is a small market budget?

 

What is with you people?

 

It's not small, but lumping the Jays in with the Yanks or Dodgers is beyond silly, they're easily in a couple tiers up on the Jays and there's a handful of other teams who are a superstar salary up on the Jays. Something the Jays FO won't touch, so the Jays are essentially not in the same level as a bunch of other teams.

[GD]

It's not small, but lumping the Jays in with the Yanks or Dodgers is beyond silly, they're easily in a couple tiers up on the Jays and there's a handful of other teams who are a superstar salary up on the Jays. Something the Jays FO won't touch, so the Jays are essentially not in the same level as a bunch of other teams.

 

But LA and NY are markets that are bigger than us. A $140m payroll is more than appropriate for the Jays. That's a lot of money. If you can't build a contender with that roster, you should be a GM.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I wonder if they'd considering clearing out Buehrle if this is the case. AA is creative.

 

If Rogers isn't giving Alex any flex to bring on a vet, then the Jays should be in sell mode. And if Alex doesn't sell, then he needs to be fired.

[Angrioter]

Unable to sell

Unable to buy

Unable to develop players

Unable to sign free agent

Unable to remove the turf

Unable to fire Alex

[GeorgiaPeach]

http://oi59.tinypic.com/dnn4h4.jpg

 

Anticipating another Dickey book.

[ElNik2013]

AA has f***ing destroyed this team. He needs to be fired ASAP so a true rebuild can start now. Joey Bats and Edwin (when he returns healthy) have extremely high trade value right now. We have a lot of star power that teams in pennant races might love to snatch up.

 

This team needs to be blown up big time, and NOW. We obviously do not have the money to add on to what we have and what we have right now is not enough. By the time our young promising pitchers are ready (if they ever are ready) we won't have Joey and Edwin around, as there is no way Rogers will be able to afford them when they become free agents and look to recoup some of the money they left on the table by signing their current deals.

 

 

It looks like you'd have to buy the team to make your wish of firing AA come true.

[Angrioter]

Buehrle + Reyes = 41M

Bautista + Edwin = 22M

[GeorgiaPeach]

But LA and NY are markets that are bigger than us. A $140m payroll is more than appropriate for the Jays. That's a lot of money. If you can't build a contender with that roster, you should be a GM.

 

I agree about the payroll being market appropriate. What I disagree with is ownership saying "okay, here's this huge sack of 35m go build us a contender over the course of one off season." Doing that forces a GM to seek out trade(s) or free agents attempting to spend this huge amount of money they were handed in a short amount of time and rapidly. You give someone time to handle the money and properly and there's a likelier chance they spend it more efficiently than a force quick spend.....depending on the person.

[GD]

I agree about the payroll being market appropriate. What I disagree with is ownership saying "okay, here's this huge sack of 35m go build us a contender over the course of one off season." Doing that forces a GM to seek out trade(s) or free agents attempting to spend this huge amount of money they were handed in a short amount of time and rapidly. You give someone time to handle the money and properly and there's a likelier chance they spend it more efficiently than a force quick spend.....depending on the person.

 

I totally agree with you but I don't think that happened. I think the money was always there but AA saw the Marlins trade developing, Beeston pressured him and things took off from there.

[jaysfan2014]

It could be worse. At least Reyes and Buehrle do produce in some way. Atlanta is paying Uggla, BJ Upton and Justin Upton for lackluster production, especially Uggla (just released) and BJ Upton.

[admin]

Who in their right mind would sign off on investing MORE money into this roster? It's a stupid thing to do.

 

The same people that built this poor roster.

[JaysRap]

Okay so guys - we can't take on any money. Are we realistically just looking to play out the rest of the season with what we have? What kind of record is needed at this point to save AA and Gibby? Or is it already pre-determined these guys are gonna be fired short of making the playoffs?

 

Sounds like even going into next year our payroll constraints will hamper us until some of the bigger contracts expire or get traded.

[oakville69]

Adding payroll doesn't = being involved in the race.

 

We'd have to spend this money wisely, which we wouldn't.

 

given the injuries this year, he jays need replacements that are not from the waiver wire.

 

The jays can salvage the season with an upgrade infielder & another pitcher.

[CJ-Freeway]

This team is f***ed