BlueJays would benefit most of any team by acquiring David Price - per FanGraphs.com

[S33n]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-trading-for-david-price-changes-the-odds/

[Atothe]

Reads well but Price would cost an arm and leg plus they need upgrade the bullpen and secondbase while acquiring depth. Not enough prospects will be left if they go all in

[Governator]

As much as I want the Jays to go for it this year, putting all of the chips in for a rental in Price is risky considering their on a downward spiral atm. Yes he's immediately help and give wins to a team that needs them most but if their total regression & injuries didn't come crashing at once, I think dealing for him made more sense. Their problem is they aren't just 1 player away from winning it all. They'd have to somehow be able to make a bigger play like include Zobrist in a bigger package to fill another gaping hole, otherwise I'm not interested in mortgaging the future for him.

[HERPDERP]

This is yet another example of how we shouldn't go all 100% in advanced metrics. You always need to look at the current context of the club.

 

If we valued metrics over everything else, of course you make a trade for Price.

 

But when you consider the failures of this team and why we have stunk since May, I don't see Price as making a huge enough difference to overcome the offense.

 

Then you have to consider the cost of Price. If you wish to believe Elliot, it doesn't make sense trading away 3 of our top prospects, plus a solid MLB pitcher for 1 1/2 year of Price.

[sh3156]

As much as I want the Jays to go for it this year, putting all of the chips in for a rental in Price .

 

Not a Rental

[wilko]

I'd take him if the Price was right.

[sh3156]

This is yet another example of how we shouldn't go all 100% in advanced metrics. You always need to look at the current context of the club.

 

If we valued metrics over everything else, of course you make a trade for Price.

 

But when you consider the failures of this team and why we have stunk since May, I don't see Price as making a huge enough difference to overcome the offense.

 

Then you have to consider the cost of Price. If you wish to believe Elliot, it doesn't make sense trading away 3 of our top prospects, plus a solid MLB pitcher for 1 1/2 year of Price.

 

No it doesn't make sense if anyone on the roster goes the other way

 

It does make sense if no one on the MLB roster is touched

 

It makes further sense to offer him a extension at his given rate, Since Price is a year in year out Ace with no history of injury, and tracks to be what Cliff lee was for the next 6-7 years

[guylaroche5]

the hitting has actually been better of late and with the cavalry coming back this month i think a starter to replace happ is more important than a bat

[Atothe]

the hitting has actually been better of late and with the cavalry coming back this month i think a starter to replace happ is more important than a bat

 

umm replacing the legend and kawasaki is a more immediate need then getting a #1 starter

[sh3156]

the hitting has actually been better of late and with the cavalry coming back this month i think a starter to replace happ is more important than a bat

 

I'd give up anyone in the minors for Price

 

So if our top 3 prospects to the job, I give them up. Only and Only for Price. No other MLB pitcher. However I wouldn't give up Hutch or Stroman since they have proven their MLB talents. Price is a bonifide ace who currently tracks for the hall of fame. He has dominated the AL East, year in year out, with no signs of injuries or slow downs.

 

Problem is Price a year and a half from now, if he doesn't slow down, is looking at Clayton Kershaw money or close to it, lets say 15% less maybe.

 

Thats out of the Jays possibilities based on their history. Thus its 3 of our top prospects for David Price. Going by Fangraph, thats probably Aaron Sanchez, Daniel Norris, Mitch Nay and Dalton Pompay. Maybe it takes all 4

 

I would do this in a heart beat

 

Price and Zobrist for any top 5 bluejays prospects. That probably means

 

Price and Zobrist for Sanchez + Norris + Nay + Pompay + Osuna

 

But the rays wouldn't. I would do it because In my opinion, Price and Zobrist equal playoffs this year and next year.

[sh3156]

^ Yes I understand that this would make Jays farms system immediately the worst in all of MLB. Yes I understand that this hampers the organizations completely for the 5 years after 2015. Yes I understand that this could not work, and could possibly mean a losing baseball team for upto 2018

 

but you takes your chances in life, and this is my opinion only.

[NorthOf49]

umm replacing the legend and kawasaki is a more immediate need then getting a #1 starter

Why can't they do both?

 

Also, there aren't any middle infielders on the market who are as good as Price so I don't understand your argument.

[Atothe]

Justin turner would be a good target for the jays

[Atothe]

Why can't they do both?

 

Also, there aren't any middle infielders on the market who are as good as Price so I don't understand your argument.

 

No doubt they need to do both if they want to go to the post season but in terms of priority, #1 is a middle infielder

[NorthOf49]

No doubt they need to do both if they want to go to the post season but in terms of priority, #1 is a middle infielder

What does priority mean though? AA has enough hours in the day to make and take calls on both pitching and the middle infield. I wouldn't worry about which is a greater hole. What matters is the magnitude of the upgrade. Price would be an upgrade of great magnitude.

[GeorgiaPeach]

^ Yes I understand that this would make Jays farms system immediately the worst in all of MLB. Yes I understand that this hampers the organizations completely for the 5 years after 2015. Yes I understand that this could not work, and could possibly mean a losing baseball team for upto 2018

 

but you takes your chances in life, and this is my opinion only.

 

There would still be other teams with worse farms.

[JaysAllMighty]

Price may be worth it if we can negotiate a long term deal. Aces are rare.

[Atothe]

What does priority mean though? AA has enough hours in the day to make and take calls on both pitching and the middle infield. I wouldn't worry about which is a greater hole. What matters is the magnitude of the upgrade. Price would be an upgrade of great magnitude.

 

What do you think the cost to acquire David Price will be? Do you think the jays should pay it? Do they have enough afterwards to acquire a good bullpen arm or 2 and an impact everyday player?

[NorthOf49]

What do you think the cost to acquire David Price will be? Do you think the jays should pay it? Do they have enough afterwards to acquire a good bullpen arm or 2 and an impact everyday player?

I think the price will be very high and I probably wouldn't pay it.

 

But I don't think acquiring Price impacts their ability to acquire an infield upgrade, since I don't think the "impact everyday player" is on the market. We're likely looking at a Prado/Headley type that wouldn't cost much in terms of prospects. Same with a bullpen arm. We'd likely just have to eat the salary and toss in a C prospect.

[Angrioter]

In Fangraphs you find the best stats and the worst articles.

[CJ-Freeway]

If the Jays had a 5+ game lead in the division, I'd say go for it. Kinda like what the A's did when they got Samardzija. But in the current situation. .. not worth it.

[flafson]

the hitting has actually been better of late and with the cavalry coming back this month i think a starter to replace happ is more important than a bat

 

The problem with that, Happ proved time and time again that he is worthless in the pen. The only place he has value is the rotation.

If you bring someone to replace him, might aswell trade him at the same time.

[gruber92]

I'd rather keep the prospects and remain competitive for years to come. Build a system like the Braves and Cardinals, and that means you have to start sometime and the time is now. A lot of teams face the temptation of going for it, but you have to decide what's best now and going forward. I think building a competitive team for years was AA's original plan until Beeston and the influx of approved spending money came into play and messed him up.

[GD]

The Braves don't have much in the pipeline though.

[Atothe]

The Braves don't have much in the pipeline though.

 

You know what he means

[GD]

Yeah I agree with his general point but I think there's an important distinction between the Braves and the Cards: The Cards don't really have bad contracts and have plenty of up an coming talent to pair with a not-old MLB roster, while the Braves are pretty much at their apex without much more on the way and they have a couple of bad contracts limiting their ability to compensate for the lack of talent in the pipeline. It's a generally good point but I think it's important to make that distinction.

[GeorgiaPeach]

We're not getting David Price. We have a better chance of finding Victor Zambrano and starting him. I just hope hes not throwing a kunckleball somewhere in Mexico and put the idea in AA's head.

 

Josh Thole would be happy. Or would the Jays have to find the catcher who caught Zambrano the most, sign him and carry 4 catchers?

[TheHurl]

In Fangraphs you find the best stats and the worst articles.

 

They always start a conversation...which leads us to figure out who didn't read the article or understand it (which appears to be most here)

[G-Snarls]

Price may be worth it if we can negotiate a long term deal. Aces are rare.

 

Would also be nice to not have to face him ever again

[DuckDuckGose]

Price may be worth it if we can negotiate a long term deal. Aces are rare.

 

Why not just pick up Hamels with Utley for the same package then? Price's last year of cheap production is jacking the cost to acquire him up.