DuckDuckGose Verified Member Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 What do you think the cost to acquire David Price will be? Do you think the jays should pay it? Do they have enough afterwards to acquire a good bullpen arm or 2 and an impact everyday player? IMO it'd cost Stroman + Norris and another B/B+ prospect (eg Pompey, Tirado, Osuna)
SAAviour Verified Member Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 The day after we trade the farm for an Ace is the day that Aces arm falls off and we lose our 4 best prospects for nothing more than paying for 1-3 years of shoulder surgery rehab while we watch our traded prospects turn into top 10 prospects in the whole game. The rays can keep price and deal with his 20 mil salary next year.
S33n Verified Member Posted July 17, 2014 Author Posted July 17, 2014 Why don't we do what good teams do and play the prospects for their prime years and then ship them off when they have 1.5 years of control left for hordes of prospects? This organization seems to have a problem developing players into what you're describing. Who was the last big talent the Jays developed from the ground up into a David Price or Evan Longoria type player? Carlos Delgado, maybe?
S33n Verified Member Posted July 17, 2014 Author Posted July 17, 2014 But what bearing does that have on the current group of prospects? If we assume all prospects will fail because the last batch did then why should we ever put in any effort to cultivating a farm system. I'm saying it has something to do with the organization, and the way they develop their talent.
DH12 Verified Member Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Jays will not be getting David Price and tampa would never trade him within the division
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 I suspect Fan graphs could probably concoct a.formula showing the Jays would be the team to benefit the most from acquiring Prado
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Not all prospects ... just most. It's what's lost in the value calcs that the fangraphs' crowd has come up with to adjudge the worthiness of prospects vis-a-vis veteran FAs. They have forgotten that likelihood of a positive outcome thresholds and the time value of success are things. What do you mean by value calcs? Are you saying there's a metric out there for valuing prospects that ignores those factors or are you just substituting value calc for opinion? Because the metric devised by Fangraphs and the opinions coming from Fangraphs are two different things. You wouldn't expect a metric to be so eggregiously and obviously flawed. If you're just talking about opinions coming from the larger Fangraphs community than you're critiquing something barely worth discussing.
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 I wasn't talking about opinions ... honestly, I find them a mixed bag and not without value. Often there's more of value in them (when you wade through them) than the articles themselves. I wasn't really distinguishing between the two. Both are a mixed bag.
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 I suspect Fan graphs could probably concoct a.formula showing the Jays would be the team to benefit the most from acquiring Prado When you're looking at the different options, you have to look at the cost benefit analysis and it seems to me that adding an extra infielder has the potential to provide the most benefit for the cost (with the caveat that we don't know the actual cost). Pitching doesn't come cheap and it doesn't come easily, we saw that in the off-season.
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 When you're looking at the different options, you have to look at the cost benefit analysis and it seems to me that adding an extra infielder has the potential to provide the most benefit for the cost (with the caveat that we don't know the actual cost). Pitching doesn't come cheap and it doesn't come easily, we saw that in the off-season. Agree totally Adding a guy like Prado can possibly help the team win games every bit as much as adding Price and would cost much less to acquire I would think. Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to have Price going twice in a 5 game ALDS if we made it. However, we have get there first and I don't think we could support the cost in trade that Friedman wants for him.
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Agree totally Adding a guy like Prado can possibly help the team win games every bit as much as adding Price and would cost much less to acquire I would think. Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to have Price going twice in a 5 game ALDS if we made it. However, we have get there first and I don't think we could support the cost in trade that Friedman wants for him. I also think that paying a heavy cost to aquire Price without addressing the infield could potentially be a disaster for this club. I know that some would argue that the two aren't mutually exclusive but recent history suggests otherwise. Last year, Dickey, Johnson and Buehrle were brought in while the team tried to make the best of two backups at the 2B position. This year, AA PURSUED pitching (as we are lead to believe by his own statements) while seemingly ignoring 2B and the bench. Stars and scrub has been the M.O. for this club. It would be nice if for once, the team focused on the less expensive goal of giving less PAs to scrubs rather than paying a heavy price (once again) for pitching help (even if it superior to previous pitching help).
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