Jeff Blair - Signs from FO strongly suggest both Melky and Colby gone next year

[GeorgiaPeach]

And yet they'll be kept for the remainder of the season and bid adieu getting nothing in return.

 

And no I don't think either would be offered a QO.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Why do some of you think Melky isn't worth a QO? He's worth every penny, IMO. I wouldn't mind an extension at less AAV.

 

I think Melky would accept a QO at 13-14m. And it would be foolish to give him that.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Mike Morse has AA written all over him.

 

Woo-Hoo we get to listen to A'ha every game.

[Stangstag]

I like Morse... If we could get him on a 2/3 year deal that would be great. He could probably hit 30-40 homers in the rogers centre.

[Slot Machine]

And yet they'll be kept for the remainder of the season and bid adieu getting nothing in return.

 

And no I don't think either would be offered a QO.

 

Yep. I believe that's exactly how it will play out. I'd probably other them both QO though, if they aren't traded.

[Anemic0ffense]

And yet they'll be kept for the remainder of the season and bid adieu getting nothing in return.

 

And no I don't think either would be offered a QO.

 

You act like it's an easy decision to forfeit the year while only 4 games back. Dealing Melky and Rasmus for prospects would send an awful signal to the clubhouse, regardless of whether you think they are useful or not. We are probably in the worst situation possible right now... Hanging around, so we can't sell, but in a desperate spot where GM's will rip AA off.

[G-Snarls]

Melky has qualifying offer written all over him.

 

Just the threat of it MIGHT make him consider a 2-3 year deal at less than QO value. I'd love to keep him for 3/36 or something. He's a hit machine even if he ends up spending more time at DH as he gets older.

[GeorgiaPeach]

You act like it's an easy decision to forfeit the year while only 4 games back.

 

This team wasn't a playoff team before the season started and you think it is now? How's the lineup look for the next 3 weeks?

 

Dealing Melky and Rasmus for prospects would send an awful signal to the clubhouse regardless of whether you think they are useful or not. We are probably in the worst situation possible right now... Hanging around, so we can't sell, but in a desperate spot where GM's will rip AA off.

 

If you polled this forum at any point ever going forward. The time to "sell" would be never.

[GeorgiaPeach]

How would that be foolish?

 

Too much money, and the problem of keeping him year over year would persist and get worse.

[bzapple]

If you polled this forum at any point ever going forward. The time to "sell" would be never.

 

Well, unless you took the poll in the middle of a GDT when the Jays are losing.

[jays4life19]

I wouldn't have a huge issue with offering Colby a QO.

 

Worst case scenario we overpay on a 1 year deal when there is no viable option in free agency or the farm.

[G-Snarls]

I still think we need to retain at least one of them unless we are tearing the whole thing down

 

Carbera Gose Bautista looks OK to me as long as we shore up the infield with a legit second baseman. And I'd want a decent 4th OF.

[G-Snarls]

He had a hot month to start the year. Going forward, you're looking at a .275 hitting LF without much in terms of on-base skills, power, speed or defense. He'll live and die by his streakiness in getting singles, and he's not overwhelmingly good at that, even. Without excess payroll room, or without plus contributions at some typically offense deficient positions, he muddles up your team when he's making well into 8 figures.

 

And he's a former roidian, so f*** him. And he created a fake website to try to cover up his PED usage, so f*** him again (DP).

 

You do have some valid points but I'd say he's our LEAST streaky hitter by far. 12% K rate. He just puts the ball in play a lot. Sometimes they get caught.

 

Edit: Lind also not streaky

[Anemic0ffense]

This team wasn't a playoff team before the season started and you think it is now? How's the lineup look for the next 3 weeks?

 

 

 

If you polled this forum at any point ever going forward. The time to "sell" would be never.

 

I wasn't 100% disagreeing with you, but a complete firesale like you're suggesting would be horrible. As if it's not hard enough luring free agents to Toronto, the team will literally gain the rep of Miami if they sell now, which is why this situation they're in sucks. Business is a thing ya know...

[shortstop]

I still think we need to retain at least one of them unless we are tearing the whole thing down

 

Carbera Gose Bautista looks OK to me as long as we shore up the infield with a legit second baseman. And I'd want a decent 4th OF.

 

 

I think that's the key, whether jays are sticking to status quo or tearing it all up...

 

we probably know what we're gonna get with Cabrera & there's value in that imo...

 

and I see him to continue working on his training program in the off-season and perhaps may stick with working out with Bautista...

 

and having Gose in centre with his coverage improves overall outfield defence...

 

and there's value of familiarity/continuity with Reyes, Melk, Bautista and EE as top 4...

 

with that said, I sense if the rumour is true, it's b/c of a few of Melk's mental mistakes...but if true, gotta wonder why they'd be picking on Melk man when you can point to every player & point out a few throughout the year...

 

overall, would prefer he come back presuming no tearing down...looks like he likes it in Toronto, teammates, etc...if the jays want him back, it'll likely be the market that dictates whether he will - if another team is offering more $ and/or years, my sense is Melky will take the highest bidder on a competitive team...

[shortstop]

we should hire Valentine as manager to get the re-build in motion

[Atothe]

This team wasn't a playoff team before the season started and you think it is now? How's the lineup look for the next 3 weeks?

 

 

 

If you polled this forum at any point ever going forward. The time to "sell" would be never.

 

So you're telling me a healthy team isn't the most likely team to win the division? I thought the jays had as good as chance to win the division as any.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I wasn't 100% disagreeing with you, but a complete firesale like you're suggesting would be horrible.

 

I've never suggested a complete fire sale.

[Anemic0ffense]

I've never suggested a complete fire sale.

 

I recall you saying they should deal Bautista and Encarnacion when the team had a 5 and a half game division lead. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[GeorgiaPeach]

So you're telling me a healthy team isn't the most likely team to win the division? I thought the jays had as good as chance to win the division as any.

 

I'm saying before the year started I didn't have the Jays pegged to win the East. And as things stand right now, I still don't.

[Mikeleelop]

I like Morse... If we could get him on a 2/3 year deal that would be great. He could probably hit 30-40 homers in the rogers centre.

 

and strike out 250 times in a season

[GeorgiaPeach]

I recall you saying they should deal Bautista and Encarnacion when the team had a 5 and a half game division lead. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Um, I've been calling for Bautista to be traded for a few years now. The only time my stance changes on an opinion is if the opinion is wrong.

 

My opinion on trading players doesn't change based on how a team is doing.

 

And trading Bautista & Edwin isn't a complete fire sale.

[Anemic0ffense]

Um, I've been calling for Bautista to be traded for a few years now. The only time my stance changes on an opinion is if the opinion is wrong.

 

My opinion on trading players doesn't change based on how a team is doing.

 

And trading Bautista & Edwin isn't a complete fire sale.

 

Trading your best bats mid-season isn't a complete firesale?

[GeorgiaPeach]

Trading your best bats mid-season isn't a complete firesale?

 

If the Jays FO traded Bautista and Edwin and got back MLB ready pieces + other stuff = no firesale

[GeorgiaPeach]

What would you suggest over Melky? I think a LF'er at 2- 2.5 WAR is worth it. If the Jays were to extend him at an AAV of 10-12 over 2/3 years is well worth it.

 

I'd prefer they extend him on a 2-3 year deal for less per year (2-20, 3-30) and then try and move him in the midst of the deal, instead of playing Russian Roulette with the QO every year and either keep overpaying him on one year deals or lose him for nothing by not offering the QO.

[GeorgiaPeach]

LOL......that's not going to happen bro, not this season, you know that.

 

Are you following the conversation or just responding to the post?

[burlingtonbandit]

If the Jays FO traded Bautista and Edwin and got back MLB ready pieces + other stuff = no firesale

 

You would be taking a big hit to your chances to win in the short term. Just because prospects are major league ready doesn't mean they produce right away. You would probably be taking wins away from 2015 with a trade of those 2 players as well.

[CHRIS]

If the Jays FO traded Bautista and Edwin and got back MLB ready pieces + other stuff = no firesale

 

With our management team's track record of identifying and developing young talent, I don't see how we could lose in such a scenario.

[Anemic0ffense]

You would be taking a big hit to your chances to win in the short term. Just because prospects are major league ready doesn't mean they produce right away. You would probably be taking wins away from 2015 with a trade of those 2 players as well.

 

Every prospect is Mike Trout... didn't you know?

[GeorgiaPeach]

You would be taking a big hit to your chances to win in the short term. Just because prospects are major league ready doesn't mean they produce right away. You would probably be taking wins away from 2015 with a trade of those 2 players as well.

 

I'd prefer the window of winning be closer to 5 or 6 years opposed to 1 or 2.

 

You wouldn't?