Dealing Dickey At The Deadline

[Statman]

Seems counter-intuitive since we need pitching but his knuckleball has shown he is incapable of shutting down teams, isn't logging enough innings and his personal catcher hurts our bench. This would be a bold move by our GM but I think it could improve our team in many aspects including improving our pitching, saving a prospect in a deal and improving our bench which has been shorthanded all year. Kratz would also see more time behind the plate.

 

His contract is reasonable and I'm sure teams would have interest and find value in his skill set.

[Orgfiller]

I highly doubt anyone is willing to give up decent players/prospects for an old, struggling knuckleballer who isn't exactly cheap contract-wise.

[jaysblue]

RA Dickey has been a burden on this roster. Carrying Josh Thole as his personal catcher weakens the lineup and the bench. And it's not like Dickey has been pitching like a Cy Young winner, so I don't see how much worse having Erik Kratz behind the plate catching him.

[ElNik2013]

RA Dickey has been a burden on this roster. Carrying Josh Thole as his personal catcher weakens the lineup and the bench. And it's not like Dickey has been pitching like a Cy Young winner, so I don't see how much worse having Erik Kratz behind the plate catching him.

 

 

This is another of the reasons why I was against getting this guy. After acquiring him, AA went out of his way to sign Henry f***ing Blanco because Dickey told him he was the best at catching his knuckler. To me, they need to stop this garbage, like you said, it's not as if he's pitching well.

 

Anyway....

[Statman]

I highly doubt anyone is willing to give up decent players/prospects for an old, struggling knuckleballer who isn't exactly cheap contract-wise.

 

I don't think anyone expects that you can get any decent player for him straight up but I do think he has value in a trade package with prospects to get a semi-front line starter in a push for a playoff run.

[jaysblue]

This is another of the reasons why I was against getting this guy. After acquiring him, AA went out of his way to sign Henry f***ing Blanco because Dickey told him he was the best at catching his knuckler. To me, they need to stop this garbage, like you said, it's not as if he's pitching well.

 

Anyway....

 

It's hilarious how he needs to be pampered - roof closed, Henry Blanco, Josh Thole as his personal catcher. What else does he need?

[Orgfiller]

I don't think anyone expects that you can get any decent player for him straight up but I do think he has value in a trade package with prospects to get a semi-front line starter in a push for a playoff run.

 

He's almost got to the point where you can only add him to a deal as a throw-in. I don't see any GM's calling and demanding RA to be part of a trade.

[MrMariusz]

He is worth more than you will ever get back for him in return. So you might as well keep him as a solid 2 to 4 starter

[jaysblue]

Also, I hope we see Gibbons use Dickey like he has today - let him keep pitching deep into the game if he's doing his job. I don't care what his pitch count is, let him go 7, 8 or 9 innings every time out. It shouldn't effect him. Save the bullpen. It peeves me off to see him only going 5-6 innings.

[saskjayfan]

Seems counter-intuitive since we need pitching but his knuckleball has shown he is incapable of shutting down teams, isn't logging enough innings and his personal catcher hurts our bench. This would be a bold move by our GM but I think it could improve our team in many aspects including improving our pitching, saving a prospect in a deal and improving our bench which has been shorthanded all year. Kratz would also see more time behind the plate.

 

His contract is reasonable and I'm sure teams would have interest and find value in his skill set.

 

Dickey just pitched 7 and 2/3rds giving up 3 earned runs. That's not a bad start. I don't get the RA Dickey hatred. Dickey has pitched just shy of 100 innings...how is that not logging enough innings. Thole has not been that bad either. You wouldn't get anything in return for Dickey to help the ball club this year. The team lack of depth is in starting pitching. How would trading Dickey make sense, unless you are giving up on the season.

[TheHurl]

honestly even if Morrow were to come back and pitch well...how drained would our bullpen get without Dickey and his 6.125 innings per start. As much as Buehrle always seems to surprise me...he can't be expected to keep up an almost 7 innings per start average.

[JFD]

He is worth more than you will ever get back for him in return. So you might as well keep him for a solid 2 to 4 quality starts

 

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[over500]

No one wants him.

[admin]

RA Dickey is terrible.

Our only hope is he somehow has a good second half like he did last year.

[Statman]

Dickey just pitched 7 and 2/3rds giving up 3 earned runs. That's not a bad start. I don't get the RA Dickey hatred. Dickey has pitched just shy of 100 innings...how is that not logging enough innings. Thole has not been that bad either. You wouldn't get anything in return for Dickey to help the ball club this year. The team lack of depth is in starting pitching. How would trading Dickey make sense, unless you are giving up on the season.

 

He averages 6 innings/start. For a front of the line starter of this staff (deserving or not) is below average. This is after the last few games where Gibby stretched him out as long as physically possible.

[guylaroche5]

this thread is so pointless. why is everyone so hung up on trading people when their stock has plummeted? like wtf are you expecting to get back, cash considerations? syndergaard? Edited June 22, 2014 by guylaroche5

[eastcoastjaysfan]

RA Dickey is terrible.

Our only hope is he somehow has a good second half like he did last year.

 

He's not terrible. He's pitching like you'd expect a mid rotation starter to pitch. The expectations were just way too high.

[admin]

He's not terrible. He's pitching like you'd expect a mid rotation starter to pitch. The expectations were just way too high.

 

We didn't trade for a mid rotation starter. We didn't give up prospects for a mid rotation starter.

 

I don't know about you, but I dread every start of his. Even Hutch or Stroman, I think, I hope they're on today. But Dickey pitches, I wonder what inning is it going to be where he blows up? 4th? 5th? He made it to the 6th, here we go.

[Statman]

We didn't trade for a mid rotation starter. We didn't give up prospects for a mid rotation starter.

 

I don't know about you, but I dread every start of his. Even Hutch or Stroman, I think, I hope they're on today. But Dickey pitches, I wonder what inning is it going to be where he blows up? 4th? 5th? He made it to the 6th, here we go.

 

Exactly! Whether you agree with the trade or not is irrelevant. AA traded for what he thought was a front of the line starter, our staff "ace" for the next 2-3 years. Dickey has been everything but. Dickey struggles to log 6 innings on most occasions as he either implodes in the 5th or 6th inning. The most concerning thing about Dickey is that he gets worse as the game goes on (era triples or quadruples 3rd time around in the lineup).

 

Even when we went on the winning streak this year, Dickey didn't play an important role during that success.

[TheHurl]

Exactly! Whether you agree with the trade or not is irrelevant. AA traded for what he thought was a front of the line starter, our staff "ace" for the next 2-3 years. Dickey has been everything but. Dickey struggles to log 6 innings on most occasions as he either implodes in the 5th or 6th inning. The most concerning thing about Dickey is that he gets worse as the game goes on (era triples or quadruples 3rd time around in the lineup).

 

Even when we went on the winning streak this year, Dickey didn't play an important role during that success.

 

and last year it was his first time through the order that he struggled the worst. I don't think it's "a thing" for Dickey to struggle in the 5th (considering his numbers in the 6th is just fine this year). I think it's so much just expectations still. If you view him as the inconsistent HR friendly pitcher that he is, you'd appreciate the innings he gives the Jays more.

[GD]

It's probably just a time through the order thing

[GeorgiaPeach]

I highly doubt anyone is willing to give up decent players/prospects for an old, struggling knuckleballer who isn't exactly cheap contract-wise.

 

And yet we were. And a lot of the fans liked the move and even some who hated it still tried to justify the move which was f***ing pitiful.

[GeorgiaPeach]

RA Dickey has been a burden on this roster. Carrying Josh Thole as his personal catcher weakens the lineup and the bench. And it's not like Dickey has been pitching like a Cy Young winner, so I don't see how much worse having Erik Kratz behind the plate catching him.

 

He had a couple decent years and his CY year and people were talking about him like he was a an absolute monster on the mound.

[admin]

I don't think anyone would give anything to acquire him, but I have a feeling if he went back to the NL he would do pretty good.

[GeorgiaPeach]

It's hilarious how he needs to be pampered - roof closed, Henry Blanco, Josh Thole as his personal catcher. What else does he need?

 

A bodyguard so he can't get raped as a grown man?

[saskjayfan]

He averages 6 innings/start. For a front of the line starter of this staff (deserving or not) is below average. This is after the last few games where Gibby stretched him out as long as physically possible.

 

Dickey was 4th in innings pitched last year, 2nd the year before that. He's down the list this year, but still 27th. He's not below average in terms of innings pitched. That's just wrong.

 

People need to label him a "front line starter". He isn't a front line starter, but he's still a quality starter. He's got a 4.04 ERA. I still think going to post a sub 4 ERA and he's going to eat innings. Trading Dickey makes zero sense. Dickey is a solid number 3 eating innings and will post a 3.8 ERA. He's also being paid like a number 3, so get over the trade we made to get him and value him for the asset he is. We need to be trading for a number 1, not giving away a number 3.

[CJ-Freeway]

No point in trading him, we won't get much in return. Might as well keep him.

[Orgfiller]

And yet we were. And a lot of the fans liked the move and even some who hated it still tried to justify the move which was f***ing pitiful.

 

I wasn't around the boards at the time, but I can tell you that I was completely against that trade from the beginning and that's never changed. What a disgrace. I try to tell myself that maybe just Syndergaard and I would have been okay with it, but to put your top prospect and top pitching prospect (top 2 at least) in a trade for him was a disaster waiting to happen.

[admin]

Dickey was 4th in innings pitched last year, 2nd the year before that. He's down the list this year, but still 27th. He's not below average in terms of innings pitched. That's just wrong.

 

People need to label him a "front line starter". He isn't a front line starter, but he's still a quality starter. He's got a 4.04 ERA. I still think going to post a sub 4 ERA and he's going to eat innings. Trading Dickey makes zero sense. Dickey is a solid number 3 eating innings and will post a 3.8 ERA. He's also being paid like a number 3, so get over the trade we made to get him and value him for the asset he is. We need to be trading for a number 1, not giving away a number 3.

 

4.08ERA, where he's also been bailed out more than once. Two times off the top of my head he was pulled (and mad about it lol) with the bases loaded and nobody out. We got lucky and got out of both those situations, the odds of us getting out of those situations with no runs was probably one in a million. That would have put his ERA to mid 4s.

 

He's not terrible, but if we were going into the playoffs, this guy is going to be one of our starters. RA Dickey, and Buehrle, who is pitching over his head.

Dickey, MB, Stroman, Hutch, Happ, whoever you want is going to be scary going into any playoff series if we make it.

We have more than enough mediocre pitchers on thsi team.

 

I wasn't around the boards at the time, but I can tell you that I was completely against that trade from the beginning and that's never changed. What a disgrace. I try to tell myself that maybe just Syndergaard and I would have been okay with it, but to put your top prospect and top pitching prospect (top 2 at least) in a trade for him was a disaster waiting to happen.

 

I hated it from the beginning as well, which is why I'm still bitter about it. And I hated the FL trade. But 90% people were so excited we actually did something, they couldn't see past that, and how terrible the moves actually were.

[Statman]

It's hilarious how he needs to be pampered - roof closed, Henry Blanco, Josh Thole as his personal catcher. What else does he need?

 

The right temperature, correct humidity and his fingernails to be perfectly manicured to grip the knuckleball.