Rage/Vent Thread

[connorp]

It's not the same club actually, I've addressed that point in the past. Last year we had Johnson starting every 5th day ( or injured ), a terrible Bono at 2nd every game, Arencebia was catching, Hutch was somewhere trying to get healthy. Reyes was out half a year, Lawrie missed huge chunks of the first half, Buehrle was very hittable for numerous weeks, Cabrera had a tumour in his back and could barely run. We were experimenting with Wang at starter #5 among other failed pitchers.

 

You can ignore those chances if you like, but doing so would explain why you expect a 74 win team, and seem puzzled as to why they are in first place.

 

As I said above, I don't mind this take. I wouldn't have called it out or tried to chop it down though in my opinion you're seeing a regression to their true talent. I just thought the 93 comp was silly and irrelevant

[NorthOf49]

lol. I don't mind Smedley/Roark, but what exactly is the point of banning posters if they're just going to come back an hour later with a clean slate of infractions?

[connorp]

lol. I don't mind Smedley/Roark, but what exactly is the point of banning posters if they're just going to come back an hour later with a clean slate of infractions?

 

Yeah, at least make them choose a name not making an obvious link to the banned account so there's some question to it. Otherwise, it's thumbing their nose at the authority

[Convo]

In 1993, the Jays at one point lost 10 of 11 in June. I'm sure at least a few players were in slumps. They still won the World Series. And to those who think you need steller starting pitching to win, check out that club to see what kind of pitching is required some years. In addition, if you want to write off the Jays at this point, I'm not sure what that means to the Tigers and Braves who have had worse slumps and are giving up first place ahead of schedule to our team.

 

ps I'm still picking the Jays to win the AL East, as I have always done since mid-April. They were a sub .500 team at the time. 9 games over .500 does not reduce their chances.

 

Never at any point did I attempt to write-off the Jays or say they are not a contending team. I only stated facts to demonstrate the players who are struggling (and to vent/rage about it).

 

This is getting ludicrous now. Take off your panties people.

[StamafiaNeigeratsu]

Welcome back.

 

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[StamafiaNeigeratsu]

Welcome here*.

 

I forgive you

[TBJ12]

Ya, its far too easy to just register a new account. As others have suggested, it's time to implement email confirmation and a 24 hr waiting period.

[Atothe]

can you make multiply accounts with one email address?

[TBJ12]

can you make multiply accounts with one email address?

 

IIRC you cannot create multiple accounts using one email with vbulletin.

[GD]

IIRC you cannot create multiple accounts using one email with vbulletin.

 

There is a way. I won't post it here just in case, but there's a way.

[GD]

Sounds suspicious. Mods please ban.

 

I'm surprised they didn't ban us when we and Fatcow let it out of the bag that we're all the same person.

[Convo]

I'm surprised they didn't ban us when we and Fatcow let it out of the bag that we're all the same person.

 

Ban!

[TBJ12]

I'm surprised they didn't ban us when we and Fatcow let it out of the bag that we're all the same person.

 

I'm surprised this is possible without mod or admin privlages. If it is possible I respect your decision to keep it to yourself, we see enough duplicate accounts around here as is.

[GD]

I'm surprised this is possible without mod or admin privlages. If it is possible I respect your decision to keep it to yourself, we see enough duplicate accounts around here as is.

 

It's not to do with the board account, but the email account. Ju1ced showed me once, I think.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

This is a terrible rebuttal. You quote an example from 20+ years ago. What about all the times since then that the Jays have given us a false glimmer of hope? If anything, history would tell us not to buy into the good streak and accept that failure is the much more likely scenario.

 

Not that I'm hoping for it. I made my son into a BJ fan here in NY and he can finally go into school with his head held high...lol... but I'm skeptical on the Jays chances. When August rolls around and they're in the same spot I'll be more emotionally invested. In the meantime, it's cool seeing them leading the division and playing meaningful games in June at least (unlike last year)

 

That's where I'm at, too. It'll take meaningful games in late August and September minimum for me to buy into this team, I've been burned too many times before.

 

The overt hostility some people have to anyone who isn't chugging the Kool-Aid is hilarious, though. I'm not even talking about the trolls who s*** up every GDT with their multiple accounts... it just seems that the prevailing attitude now is "anyone who doesn't buy in this instant is 'stupid' and not a 'real fan' (whatever that means)." Remember how everyone hated Cooler Heads Prevail last year for being an obnoxious homer? It seems like quite a few people here have become him now.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

ps I'm still picking the Jays to win the AL East, as I have always done since mid-April.

I love how you try to pass this off as some impressive prediction, when in reality, you predict every year to be "our year," and you're now thumping your chest over the one year out of the past 20 where you might finally be right.

[GD]

Yes, we all know larger sample sizes > smaller sample sizes when evaluating a player, as a whole. His point was simply to show that, for a short time, but a "meaningful" short time, there's a large collective of suck, offensively. These douchebag responses from others "defending" your point, highlighting one game, or no game, show a complete lack of understanding. 2 weeks of struggles, 3 weeks of struggles, 4 weeks of struggles, are meaningful. It doesn't mean the guy sucks. Or that he will continue to suck. It's just to highlight that there's been a prolonged period of suck, that is "contagious" (quick, someone completely miss the point, and be very literal in pointing out that you "suck" is not actually contagious!) and pervasive. And it's something that bears watching, and sheds light on just where the current woes are. Even if they won't last. Even if it's just a slump. Even if every team in the whole history of the world, and all the worlds, forever and everest, has gone through it, and come out the other end.

 

Moogster, I agree with your point entirely. Maybe not necessarily that 2 weeks of struggles are meaningful, but the bolded I very much agree with. I took Convo's posts to be referring to the players themselves as bad, and he can argue that that isn't what he meant or whatever cause I don't particularly care anymore, but my point was exactly the same as yours: 2-4 weeks of struggles are s*****, but they don't mean that the guy himself sucks. It means he's in a slump.

[GD]

That's where I'm at, too. It'll take meaningful games in late August and September minimum for me to buy into this team, I've been burned too many times before.

 

If we play a meaningful September game, will you change your username and mantra? Just curious.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

That's where I'm at, too. It'll take meaningful games in late August and September minimum for me to buy into this team, I've been burned too many times before.

 

The overt hostility some people have to anyone who isn't chugging the Kool-Aid is hilarious, though. I'm not even talking about the trolls who s*** up every GDT with their multiple accounts... it just seems that the prevailing attitude now is "anyone who doesn't buy in this instant is 'stupid' and not a 'real fan' (whatever that means)." Remember how everyone hated Cooler Heads Prevail last year for being an obnoxious homer? It seems like quite a few people here have become him now.

 

I highly doubt anyone with intelligence enjoys your obnoxious cynicism that got repeated almost word for word throughout 2013, the off season, and 2014. In fact, the team has been everything from terrible to very good in that time period, yet your message never changes. I'm no homer, I objectively looked at this team last year and decided we were only a couple of moves away from contending. Of course, that kind of message was ridiculed and drowned out by the cynics like you and the "rebuild it now" crowd. It turns out we didn't even need to make the big moves to contend, which further reinforces my original point. Make those key additions now you can book a playoff spot. Make no additions we'll get the meaningful games you think aren't happening.

 

"Everyone" on here in 2013 was mostly a hive of like minded people who tend to high five each other as they slag the Jays every which way they can. It takes character to get into this crowd and simply say f*** that, we could win in 2014, and here's why. Which is exactly what I did. Nobody said there is a sure thing in baseball, I've been very clear on this all along. In fact, that's the point, that the Jays doing BADLY is no sure thing like you think it is. That's the irony of this situation, some of you are so sure of yourself you think LOSING IS GUARANTEED, no matter what happens, until such point as something is WON. And in doing so, the team is making you look silly, and you'd rather have them fail then be wrong.

 

You are no fan of the Jays obviously, in fact, any suggestion that you are is in my opinion disingenuous. I don't believe you. Jays losing is your drug of choice, and you are only happy when you can bitch about them. The Kool Aid you seem obsessed about is just ball fans liking the Jays chances to contend, which they are clearly doing. We don't care if you disagree with their ultimate fate, it's HOW you do so that is absurd and distasteful. Sure, stay a cynic, I have no problem with that, but keep your points rationale and stop bitching about people who called this season a lot better then you did so far.

[TwistedLogic]

Is that a slang term or something? I'm confused. I googled the meaning..

 

Christ, you guys are really, really bad at trying to cover for your duplicate accounts.

 

Missed out? We never had a chance...AA made it seem like Jays were front runners for Darvish..we failed miserable, posted a small cheap bid for his negotiation rights.

 

AA said absolutely nothing to imply that the Jays were front runners for Darvish. It has always been the dumbass fans that put 2 and 4 together and end up with 5. The Jays are the most consistent team when it comes to hiding the things they're working on and not giving anything away in interviews, and it's their stupid fans that keep believing the idiotic rumors they read on the internet and taking it to mean that the Jays are always lying to them. AA doesn't give a f*** what you think about his trip to Japan, he made a scouting trip, he didn't tell anyone "I'm going to sign this guy". People drew that conclusion themselves.

 

The sad thing is if we signed Tanaka instead of the yanks it would of been a 10 game swing.

 

This is such a joke. "If we signed Tanaka"? If we signed Tanaka, we would probably have dropped nearly 200 million dollars on him, and anyone that thinks that was a smart investment at the time is a moron, should really get a grip and should probably stop watching baseball -- or at least stop following the Blue Jays.

[TwistedLogic]

Want Shields.

 

I was one of the first ones to throw out his name, but this needs to stop now. There's a less than zero chance that the team leading the AL Central is going to trade away their ace and start a rebuild.

[TwistedLogic]

Rogers made it seem like the Jays were the front runners for Darvish. They really did drop the ball there.

 

And how did they do that, exactly?

[gruber92]

I love how you try to pass this off as some impressive prediction, when in reality, you predict every year to be "our year," and you're now thumping your chest over the one year out of the past 20 where you might finally be right.

 

I'm not saying you are wrong, but how do you know he's been picking this year to be "our year" for the past 20 years? You guys been friends for a while?

[TBJ12]

=King;328115]lol

 

=King;328116]Whoosh

 

I quoted the wrong post. Based on the reply from GD he still understood what I had intended to quote.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

I'm not saying you are wrong, but how do you know he's been picking this year to be "our year" for the past 20 years? You guys been friends for a while?

 

You can tell by his posts that he's a blind homer. On its face, there's nothing wrong with that, but don't pretend like your homerism is actually great analysis or get mad at people who are more realistic/critical about the team.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

I'm not saying you are wrong, but how do you know he's been picking this year to be "our year" for the past 20 years? You guys been friends for a while?

 

Jays made huge roster moves prior to the 2013 season, so the whole idea that the Jays from 1994-2012 have some bearing on 2013-2015 is illogical anyways. But to an emotional poster who hates the team, perhaps some one who believed in them most of those years, they might post as he does.

 

In reality, the only sure thing is opinions that are posted are real, and they can be followed up on. Anyone who though the Rays would win the AL East and the Jays would be comfortably in last place ( and there are numerous people on here who thought that ), they got it very wrong. So be it, baseball is somewhat unpredictable.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

I love how you try to pass this off as some impressive prediction, when in reality, you predict every year to be "our year," and you're now thumping your chest over the one year out of the past 20 where you might finally be right.

 

Not even close to reality for me, but certainly in a league where the majority of teams "fail", it must be comfortable for you to dismiss a team every year for purely emotional reasons. And this goes even further. Here we are almost half way through the season, and you are still dismissing the team. You have your drug of choice and rehab isn't going to take for quite a while I'm sure.

 

I have no expectations of being right all the time, but I did basically state in April that I considered the Jays to be the best bet to win the AL East, the Rays to be the best bet to finish last place, and that the Jays will be competitive on 2015 as well. If I'm wrong, I don't really care. I am just thankful the Jays didn't follow the advice of a lot of people on here and start some rash massive rebuild simply because our new roster in 2013 suffered. That would have been bad judgement, the kind you like to attribute to AA. And remember, I was with you on firing AA at the end of 2013. He doesn't look half as bad now, but I'm still not sold on him as our GM.

 

I'm older then a lot of people on here, and the one word of advice I have is try to enjoy the journey sometimes that's more important then the end result. My approach to sports has changed immensely over 30 years.

[TwistedLogic]

Never at any point did I attempt to write-off the Jays or say they are not a contending team. I only stated facts to demonstrate the players who are struggling (and to vent/rage about it).

 

This is getting ludicrous now. Take off your panties people.

 

Agreed. I thought the post Convo made was stupid as well, but it wasn't so stupid as to the point of extending it into a full argument over two days and still be giving him s*** for it.

 

Welcome here*.

 

You realize that he made both of those accounts and tried to dogg out of it by talking to himself, right?

 

It was the only thing the Rogers-owned Fan590 talked about for a week. Bob McCown said that Rogers higher-ups demanded AA submit a significant bid, that he was a must-get because of the sponsorship implications. Jeff Blair echoed such claims and repeatedly told listeners that the Jays were hard in on him.

 

This Bob Elliot column has tons of juicy stuff about how the Jays were going to win: http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/15/jays-frontrunners-for-yu

 

The team did a terrible job of tempering expectations and did nothing to address the PR nightmare that resulted. It was an abhorrently mishandled situation all-around.

 

I disagree on the front that Rogers did a terrible job about the situation simply because their employees are morons. Rogers owns The Score and The Score employs Stoeten. Do I hold Rogers responsible for all the stupid s*** and outlandish opinions that Stoeten posts on his blog? No, not really. The guys working for Sportsnet get pulled into speculative rumors on a very consistent basis, which is how these rumors get spread to the casual base in the first place, and it's a large part of why the entire fanbase has a meltdown when things don't get done. I don't believe that the team could have said anymore than they did to "temper expectations" before the signing took place, and I don't even necessarily think that they should have. Even if they had absolutely no intention of signing Darvish, the fact that the entire industry thought they would creates a strategic point that forces the Blue Jays competition to bid higher.

 

All of that being said, I fully understand why you're taking that stance, because the argument from your side is also defensible in many ways. People that do think Rogers should be held responsible for the words of their writers and radio hosts, and the fact that the team could have spoken on the matter after the signing took place, both present a situation where a point can be made from either side and I'm comfortable in saying that we can just agree to disagree on it.

[TwistedLogic]

LOL Holy f***, Gruber, FAA, CHP and Moogy going at it at once? Is this really happening? http://i.imgur.com/py2PxcN.gif

 

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[Cooler Heads Prevail]

By his posts. He's a rah-rah, everything [insert your fave team here] is awesome guy. Over many message boards, and many message board years, it's very easy to spot them. He's definitely one. You don't take them seriously.

 

In reality, one is best served to understand that you are a pure TROLL and very little of what you say has any value.