Rage/Vent Thread

[AngryBird]

http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/3097-LOL-at-all-you-clowns-who-were-so-high-on-this-club-after-one-good-month

 

LOL at whoever locked my thread. Truth hurts, doesn't it? :p :p

[Olerud363]

Yes, you are right, Olerud, I didn't make myself as clear as I could have. In the spirit of the thread I was just generally venting about start/end points without specifically venting at his post. When I did specifically vent at his post, I tried to be clear that his usage of very arbitrary start points was the thing that was making me uncalm. I should go to the keep calm thread to read the gospel of JSFIP.

 

I am not sure why he went to the trouble of cherry picking the starting points. He could of just used June 7th as the starting point. That's when the bad stretch began. Or just June 1st. "Blue Jays hitters slump in June." Just some Keep it Simple Stupid starting point.

[Olerud363]

OMFG this team makes me want to pull my hair out

 

SCORE SOME f***ING RUNS MOTHERf***ERS OH MY f***ING f***

 

Now this is more the spirit of the thread. This is like super-all caps. I like it.

[Chappy]

http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/3097-LOL-at-all-you-clowns-who-were-so-high-on-this-club-after-one-good-month

 

LOL at whoever locked my thread. Truth hurts, doesn't it? :p :p

 

It's obvious I locked it from my final post in the thread. It was a troll attempt and now your trying to stir s*** up again. Infraction issued.

[StamafiaNeigeratsu]

Everyone got baited by one good month, it was simply a mirage. Blue jays were never as good as they displayed in May.

 

A sweep today would not surprise me.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

This is the type of situation where you need a true ace. Halladay would always be good for a 7-8 inning scoreless performance to give us a win when we really needed one.

 

The starting pitching hasn't been terrible but it hasn't been good enough to offset the slumping bats.

[jays4life19]

I personally find it hard to rage when the Bluejays are in first place.

 

Bat's will turn it around...the lineup is too deep to continue to struggle for long periods.

[Chappy]

I personally find it hard to rage when the Bluejays are in first place.

 

Bat's will turn it around...the lineup is too deep to continue to struggle for long periods.

 

Kindly exit the rage thread, this is only for those who are raging. There is no room for optimism here.

[jays4life19]

Kindly exit the rage thread, this is only for those who are raging. There is no room for optimism here.

 

I'm sorry. lol

[Olerud363]

This is the type of situation where you need a true ace. Halladay would always be good for a 7-8 inning scoreless performance to give us a win when we really needed one.

 

The starting pitching hasn't been terrible but it hasn't been good enough to offset the slumping bats.

 

In 2009 Halladay couldn't stop the 9 game losing streak.... not that he didn't try.

 

These two games changed the course of the franchise... probably (in part) led to "mutiny" and Halladay's departure. I remember Halladay being upset that he was pulled after 7 for each of these.... once for a pinch hitter, once because the bullpen couldn't possibly blow a 5 run lead... but they did.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL200905220.shtml

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BAL/BAL200905270.shtml

[eastcoastjaysfan]

In 2009 Halladay couldn't stop the 9 game losing streak.... not that he didn't try.

 

These two games changed the course of the franchise... probably (in part) led to "mutiny" and Halladay's departure. I remember Halladay being upset that he was pulled after 7 for each of these.... once for a pinch hitter, once because the bullpen couldn't possibly blow a 5 run lead... but they did.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL200905220.shtml

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BAL/BAL200905270.shtml

 

You get my point. We don't have a stopper. Someone who can come in and just completely dominate.

[G-Snarls]

Everyone got baited by one good month, it was simply a mirage. Blue jays were never as good as they displayed in May.

 

A sweep today would not surprise me.

 

Smedley I presume?

[G-Snarls]

I'm sorry. lol

 

Try the say calm thread instead. LOL

[StamafiaNeigeratsu]

Smedley I presume?

 

Is that a slang term or something? I'm confused. I googled the meaning..

[Convo]

Now this is more the spirit of the thread. This is like super-all caps. I like it.

 

Essentially what I was saying...

[Convo]

One thing in Convo's defense is that he did not use arbitrary end points.

 

So his crime wasn't as terrible as you are making it out GD.

 

But there was no reason to use arbitrary start points. So it was still a crime. It's like manslaughter... not 1st degree murder.

 

I am not sure why he went to the trouble of cherry picking the starting points. He could of just used June 7th as the starting point. That's when the bad stretch began. Or just June 1st. "Blue Jays hitters slump in June." Just some Keep it Simple Stupid starting point.

 

Start points aren't arbitrary if I was trying to show when their "decline" started. Was logical enough in that sense.

 

The truth is I've hurt some feelings by putting a few Blue Jays in the worst light. Get over it?

[Olerud363]

You get my point. We don't have a stopper. Someone who can come in and just completely dominate.

 

The sad thing is if we signed Tanaka instead of the yanks it would of been a 10 game swing. If we signed Darvish instead of the Rangers it would of been a 10 game swing over the Rangers.

 

Instead we got JJ and the shitballers. JJ is nothing. Shitballers will each be 14-12 3.7 or something by the end. All on the way to low 80s win totals.

[G-Snarls]

We all agree we need a front of the rotation guy. We missed out on Anibal Sanchez (OK maybe he's a 2 not a 1), Yu Darvish and Tanaka.

 

Want Shields.

[StamafiaNeigeratsu]

We all agree we need a front of the rotation guy. We missed out on Anibal Sanchez (OK maybe he's a 2 not a 1), Yu Darvish and Tanaka.

 

Want Shields.

 

Missed out? We never had a chance...AA made it seem like Jays were front runners for Darvish..we failed miserable, posted a small cheap bid for his negotiation rights.

[G-Snarls]

Missed out? We never had a chance...AA made it seem like Jays were front runners for Darvish..we failed miserable, posted a small cheap bid for his negotiation rights.

 

Likewise with Tanaka. Anything over 5-6 years and AA was out. never stood a chance. As soon as ARod was officially suspended no one but the Yankees were going to get him.

[connorp]

Start points aren't arbitrary if I was trying to show when their "decline" started. Was logical enough in that sense.

 

Yeah, while I agree using arb start/end points to create a sample size to fit a narrative can be annoying, basically what you showed was that a bunch of Jays have been awful as a collective the last few weeks and some guys have struggled longer than that.

 

I actually kind of saw it as showing regression kicking in... for individual players and therefore the team

[connorp]

Missed out? We never had a chance...AA made it seem like Jays were front runners for Darvish..we failed miserable, posted a small cheap bid for his negotiation rights.

 

Yeah I doubt the team came away unimpressed scouting Tanaka and Yu so it's a wonder they even went out there if they weren't going to make a competitive bid. I hope AA and crew got some FF miles and hit a couple good massage parlors at least

[connorp]

We all agree we need a front of the rotation guy. We missed out on Anibal Sanchez (OK maybe he's a 2 not a 1), Yu Darvish and Tanaka.

 

Want Shields.

 

The KC bats are alive!

 

Shields staying you'd assume

[connorp]

What did Smedley do anyway? Cant be from this thread

 

edit: forget it, I see now

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

Start points aren't arbitrary if I was trying to show when their "decline" started. Was logical enough in that sense.

 

The truth is I've hurt some feelings by putting a few Blue Jays in the worst light. Get over it?

 

In 1993, the Jays at one point lost 10 of 11 in June. I'm sure at least a few players were in slumps. They still won the World Series. And to those who think you need steller starting pitching to win, check out that club to see what kind of pitching is required some years. In addition, if you want to write off the Jays at this point, I'm not sure what that means to the Tigers and Braves who have had worse slumps and are giving up first place ahead of schedule to our team.

 

ps I'm still picking the Jays to win the AL East, as I have always done since mid-April. They were a sub .500 team at the time. 9 games over .500 does not reduce their chances.

[connorp]

In 1993, the Jays at one point lost 10 of 11 in June. I'm sure at least a few players were in slumps. They still won the World Series. And to those who think you need steller starting pitching to win, check out that club to see what kind of pitching is required some years. In addition, if you want to write off the Jays at this point, I'm not sure what that means to the Tigers and Braves who have had worse slumps and are giving up first place ahead of schedule to our team.

 

ps I'm still picking the Jays to win the AL East, as I have always done since mid-April. They were a sub .500 team at the time. 9 games over .500 does not reduce their chances.

 

This is a terrible rebuttal. You quote an example from 20+ years ago. What about all the times since then that the Jays have given us a false glimmer of hope? If anything, history would tell us not to buy into the good streak and accept that failure is the much more likely scenario.

 

Not that I'm hoping for it. I made my son into a BJ fan here in NY and he can finally go into school with his head held high...lol... but I'm skeptical on the Jays chances. When August rolls around and they're in the same spot I'll be more emotionally invested. In the meantime, it's cool seeing them leading the division and playing meaningful games in June at least (unlike last year)

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

This is a terrible rebuttal. You quote an example from 20+ years ago. What about all the times since then that the Jays have given us a false glimmer of hope? If anything, history would tell us not to buy into the good streak and accept that failure is the much more likely scenario.

 

Not that I'm hoping for it. I made my son into a BJ fan here in NY and he can finally go into school with his head held high...lol... but I'm skeptical on the Jays chances. When August rolls around and they're in the same spot I'll be more emotionally invested. In the meantime, it's cool seeing them leading the division and playing meaningful games in June at least (unlike last year)

 

No, it's an excellent rebuttal. Your claim is empty, without substance. You are free to say it but it's just words that mean nothing. The fact we have to go back to 1993 or earlier to find a similar club is meaningless to the point. Seriously, dude, this is the problem with this site. Some of you try way too hard to rationalize why the Jays will fail. Whatever occurs is played out on the field, and in 2014 there are more reasons to expect success then failure.

 

Get serious and stop posting cynical garbage. There is no point to it. And PLEASE do not claim you were on board all along if they do make the playoffs. We don't need this kind of bandwagon jumping stupidity. You are either a fan or you are not. Surely you can join the solid legion of Rays fans we have on here as they drive towards the playoffs this season.

[connorp]

I'm half-working so I guess I don't fully understand why what I said was without substance. Why do we have to go back to 93 to find a similar club though? This is just about the exact same club that played last year, so that will be your best comp.

[connorp]

"and in 2014 there are far more reasons to expect success then failure."

 

I can dig this if someone makes that argument. Like diluted competition or whatever it may be. I may have a different view but I don't mind someone focusing on positives.

I was just saying using an example from 20+ years ago to prove a point wasn't very objective

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

I'm half-working so I guess I don't fully understand why what I said was without substance. Why do we have to go back to 93 to find a similar club though? This is just about the exact same club that played last year, so that will be your best comp.

 

It's not the same club actually, I've addressed that point in the past. Last year we had Johnson starting every 5th day ( or injured ), a terrible Bono at 2nd every game, Arencebia was catching, Hutch was somewhere trying to get healthy. Reyes was out half a year, Lawrie missed huge chunks of the first half, Buehrle was very hittable for numerous weeks, Cabrera had a tumour in his back and could barely run. We were experimenting with Wang at starter #5 among other failed pitchers.

 

You can ignore those chances if you like, but doing so would explain why you expect a 74 win team, and seem puzzled as to why they are in first place.