What to do with Gose when Colby returns?

[G-Snarls]

Really wasn't aware OF defense has been a major problem this year?!

 

It hasn't been. It's been decent and is better when Gose plays.

 

Defense all around is solid. Better in LF, 2B and C than last year.

[Deadpool]

With Gose out of the lineup all defenders (except some pitchers) are average or below average.

 

Lawrie is above average at second and elite at third.

[BigCecil]

It hasn't been. It's been decent and is better when Gose plays.

 

Defense all around is solid. Better in LF, 2B and C than last year.

 

Agree. I was just being sarcastic...

[Dick_Pole]

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I don't really consider an OBP in the .330s to be good at all for a guy whose entire skill set is "fast", his glove will give him some value, but if he's going to be a slap hitter, he'd better get on base at a higher clip than the .330s..."

 

 

Otis Nixon - one of the worst best hitters with speed. Guy made a career out of it. lifetime .343 OBP with a .650 OPS. He knew what he was.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/n/nixonot01.shtml

 

Gose's swing is still too long which is why I don't see a .330 OBP in his future.

 

My opinion...there should be a stat that adjusts OBP for SB and CS. I know that's part of the WAR calculation, but if you hit a single and steal second that's essentially a double. You get thrown out it's an out. So you successfully steal you gain a point for total bases. If you get thrown out you lose a point for TB and for OBP. Every SB above a success rate of 66.7% gains you a point to your OPS. Doing this for Nixon shoots him up about 50 points from the .650's to just over .700. The point of this calculation would be for guys like Nixon, Pierre, Coleman etc who were seen as "stars" 20 years ago and useless crap now...but in reality they aren't as useless as the low OPS implies...they're somewhere in between.

[Deadpool]

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My opinion...there should be a stat that adjusts OBP for SB and CS. I know that's part of the WAR calculation, but if you hit a single and steal second that's essentially a double. You get thrown out it's an out. So you successfully steal you gain a point for total bases. If you get thrown out you lose a point for TB and for OBP. Every SB above a success rate of 66.7% gains you a point to your OPS. Doing this for Nixon shoots him up about 50 points from the .650's to just over .700. The point of this calculation would be for guys like Nixon, Pierre, Coleman etc who were seen as "stars" 20 years ago and useless crap now...but in reality they aren't as useless as the low OPS implies...they're somewhere in between.

 

That doesn't make much sense... If you single and get thrown out stretching for second, it still counts as getting on base for the purpose of OBP, because you did get on base, you just didn't stay there very long.

[Chappy]

chp?

 

Does CHP do crack?

[G-Snarls]

 

That doesn't make much sense... If you single and get thrown out stretching for second, it still counts as getting on base for the purpose of OBP, because you did get on base, you just didn't stay there very long.

 

Plus a single and a SB isn't as good as a double because there's less chance you drove in a run.

[BigCecil]

True on all points, but the Jays need to mix in some above average defenders. Fielding a team of mashers will catch up to you eventually

 

With Gose out of the lineup all defenders (except some pitchers) are average or below average. I hope a healthy Rasmus is above average but so far this year he's at the bottom

 

That was the point with Goins at the start of the season. It also gets Lawrie back to third where he is a good defender

 

If you want to reference a particular comment by a poster, hit "reply with quote"....then you can line up the comments.

[Mikeleelop]

Lawrie is above average at second and elite at third.

 

defensive stats don't support that.

 

Lawrie is inexperienced at 2B, his footwork at 2B is not above average. His arm strength is.

[Deadpool]

defensive stats don't support that.

 

Lawrie is inexperienced at 2B, his footwork at 2B is not above average. His arm strength is.

 

He has 169 innings at 2B in his MLB career. Fielding stats over that small a sample tell you very little.

[TheHurl]

He has 169 innings at 2B in his MLB career. Fielding stats over that small a sample tell you very little.

 

I think he has two errors at 2B right now, that's likely over this sss hurting his metrics at 2B more than anything. Too lazy to look it up.

[IBTrini]

Really wasn't aware OF defense has been a major problem this year?!

If you only look at stats the "D" on paper does not look good enough for contenders however in isolation of everything else it skews the value of the players involved. What does the team have to do to get above average corner OFers who can hit like our current players? Isn't that asking for a lot especially when those are not truly weaknesses taking into consideration other areas of concern? Some people tend to use stats to show-up a weakness but offer no names or the means (assets) to replace those who are targeted as weak. I am never sure what point they are trying to get across since it is a lot easier to find faults than to come up with workable solutions.

[IBTrini]

It hasn't been. It's been decent and is better when Gose plays.

 

Defense all around is solid. Better in LF, 2B and C than last year.

I agree with this. The D has not been perfect however it is more than adequate. No team, as far as I am aware, has a defense without errors -Sometimes they will boot the ball around, take bad routes, not throw to the cut-off etc. This team is performing adequately considering the rotation issues - good pitching is essential.

[RIPEXPOS]

The lack of speed in the OF could pose a problem though. While each as an individual is not bad, the trio of Cabrera, Rasmus, and Bautista is probably the slowest in the Majors. Well hit balls to the outfield are doubles waiting to happen. Having Gose in there is huge, he can steal those extra base hits away.

[G-Snarls]

The lack of speed in the OF could pose a problem though. While each as an individual is not bad, the trio of Cabrera, Rasmus, and Bautista is probably the slowest in the Majors. Well hit balls to the outfield are doubles waiting to happen. Having Gose in there is huge, he can steal those extra base hits away.

 

I like the defense that Gose gives in CF

 

I don't want to sacrifice the offense we are getting from the corners obviously

[jays76]

I think we're a more complete team with Gose because of his Speed, and D but also an overlooked x-factor is his ability to successfully bunt this year. I'd say trade Colby because as mentioned before we already have enough pop in our bats.

[BarkatToronto]

I think we're a more complete team with Gose because of his Speed, and D but also an overlooked x-factor is his ability to successfully bunt this year. I'd say trade Colby because as mentioned before we already have enough pop in our bats.

 

There is another way

 

Not sure if people have noticed but melky hasn't been that good lately

[KingKat]

There is another way

 

Not sure if people have noticed but melky hasn't been that good lately

 

So what would you do with him?

[ElNik2013]

When the heck is Rasmus coming back anyway?

[wilko]

When the heck is Rasmus coming back anyway?

 

No timetable yet. He didn't play any minor league games.

[Dylan]

I thought the whole rasmus thing was just precautionary to begin with?

[gruber92]

There is another way

 

Not sure if people have noticed but melky hasn't been that good lately

 

So you're suggesting trade Melky because he hasn't been hitting well lately?

 

Holy f***.

[ElNik2013]

So he's closing in on missing a full month. He played in 118 games last year and has already missed close to a month this year. I would think this would hurt his value in FA. A QO would presumably also hurt him. We'll see what happens, hopefully he's back soon at 100%

[G-Snarls]

So he's closing in on missing a full month. He played in 118 games last year and has already missed close to a month this year. I would think this would hurt his value in FA. A QO would presumably also hurt him. We'll see what happens, hopefully he's back soon at 100%

 

I sure hope so

 

So far Colby has given us exactly 0 WAR this season (thanks to missed time and negative defensive value...)

 

NEGATIVE 35.2 UZR/150 so far...

[G-Snarls]

Colby defenders beware:

 

If you bash the UZR you're going to be going with the "eye test", which to me has not been so good either, and said "eye test" is generally frowned upon by the stat heads.

 

Colby has been, on average, a pretty much neutral defender by UZR and dWAR over his MLB career. That's fine when he's hitting a ton, but he has not done that this year either.

 

Colby 2014: .222/.266/.489

 

wRC+ somehow still 105 (all from the slugging I guess and 9 HR) That OBP is brutal as is the 32.9 % K rate

 

Dude needs to step it up in the second half, and I REALLY hope he does

Edited June 4, 2014 by G-Snarls

[KingKat]

Colby defenders beware:

 

If you bash the UZR you're going to be going with the "eye test", which to me has not been so good either, and said "eye test" is generally frowned upon by the stat heads.

 

Colby has been, on average, a pretty much neutral defender by UZR and dWAR over his MLB career

 

I can't see how the eye test and the stats would at odds here anyways. There was a lot of complaints about Rasmus being poorly positioned and not getting to balls that a CF should get to this year. He's looked bad and the stats are merely confirming the eye test in this case.

[G-Snarls]

I can't see how the eye test and the stats would at odds here anyways. There was a lot of complaints about Rasmus being poorly positioned and not getting to balls that a CF should get to this year. He's looked bad and the stats are merely confirming the eye test in this case.

 

Good point

 

Does UZR as it currently stand make any disctinction in terms of how far someone has to go to get to a ball in play? It's more based on how "catchable" the ball was so I guess so?

[G-Snarls]

Anthony Gose's UZR/150 is a small sample size and so off the charts, stupidly positive that I won't even type it here

 

Clearly it's a fantasy-type number that won't last. But that said, it really feels like there's almost no ball hit to CF that he can't get to.

[Convo]

Anthony Gose's UZR/150 is a small sample size and so off the charts, stupidly positive that I won't even type it here

 

Clearly it's a fantasy-type number that won't last. But that said, it really feels like there's almost no ball hit to CF that he can't get to.

 

Probably because he's caught nearly everything that's been in his vicinity.

[Frenchsoup]

Anthony Gose's UZR/150 is a small sample size and so off the charts, stupidly positive that I won't even type it here

 

Clearly it's a fantasy-type number that won't last. But that said, it really feels like there's almost no ball hit to CF that he can't get to.

 

I agree, his arm also blows Rasmus out of the water.