What to do with Gose when Colby returns?

[BigCecil]

I used to believe Rasmus would automatically get cf back but look at the defensive stats. This season Rasmus is bottom of the league bad and Gose is gold glove caliber good.

 

When do you say defence is important enough to keep Gose on the field. Especially with two other lugs in left and right field

 

By the two lugs are you referring to the guy in RF who had 2 back to back 9-3 putouts in games and has been playing very steady D offsetting limited range with good routes to the ball and a cannon, as well as Melky who has been playing avg LF and throwing very well this year?

[kgm1]

Sorry if already mentioned but very important... Did we use Gose's last option this year or does he still have one left we could use in 2015??

 

Used up his last option so he definitely plays all year in the majors next year. Rasmus will be gone so It looks like a platoon in Center next year with Gose/Pillar.

[Chappy]

Used up his last option so he definitely plays all year in the majors next year. Rasmus will be gone so It looks like a platoon in Center next year with Gose/Pillar.

 

I'm fine with that platoon, I think it should be fairly decent, plus we always have one of them on the bench as a defensive replacement when needed. I just hope Melky is brought back.

[G-Snarls]

I'm fine with that platoon, I think it should be fairly decent, plus we always have one of them on the bench as a defensive replacement when needed. I just hope Melky is brought back.

 

Agree 100%

 

Colby, even if good when he's back should be traded or qualified and we collect a prospect, BP piece or draft pick (would prefer a prospect but I'm OK with any of the above)

 

Melky needs to be retained unless the team manages to tank later in the season. I'd prefer the extension to get done over the all star break either way so that AA goes in to the early off season knowing if he is still there next year or not.

 

The left hitting Gose and right hitting Pillar both look MLB capable and even if one has a bad offensive season next year you can just give more starts to the other guy. And whoever doesn't start is available off the bench - either makes a good 4th OF, making league minimum to boot, and providing either safe or spectacular defense which is more than you could say about Rajai or Sierra or Thames.

 

No doubt in my mind I would be happy with the above scenario next year.

Edited June 2, 2014 by G-Snarls

[BigCecil]

Agree 100%

 

Colby, even if good when he's back should be traded or qualified and we collect a prospect, BP piece or draft pick (would prefer a prospect but I'm OK with any of the above)

 

Melky needs to be retained unless the team manages to tank later in the season. I'd prefer the extension to get done over the all star break either way so that AA goes in to the early off season knowing if he is still there next year or not.

 

The left hitting Gose and right hitting Pillar both look MLB capable and even if one has a bad offensive season next year you can just give more starts to the other guy. And whoever doesn't start is available off the bench - either makes a good 4th OF, making league minimum to boot, and providing either safe or spectacular defense which is more than you could say about Rajai or Sierra or Thames.

 

No doubt in my mind I would be happy with the above scenario next year.

 

Agree 100%. I do think Rasmus starts when back and we let the scenario you point out unfold as the trade market crystallizes. ITs a decision tree from there.

 

I think this is an excellent situation for the Jays. Some people may be underestimating the financial motivation Colby(if that matters to him) has to play well the rest of his FA year and now he has organizational push from Gose/Pillar.

 

Also, just as a person its got to be great to watch, but hard to know the team can win so handily without you playing guys who make min.

[G-Snarls]

Rarely does this board 100% agree on anything but this seems to be one of them

 

And yeah, it's a great problem to have. We have an extra MLB capable outfielder and an extra MLB capable DH right now. (Essentially)

 

Having too many guys to fit in the lineup? That's a GREAT problem to have. I just wish we could trade them for what we really need, but the trade market for SP is going to be very competitive this trade deadline.

[G-Snarls]

Also, FU Detroit Tigers/Doug Fister.

[BigCecil]

Rarely does this board 100% agree on anything but this seems to be one of them

 

And yeah, it's a great problem to have. We have an extra MLB capable outfielder and an extra MLB capable DH right now. (Essentially)

 

Having too many guys to fit in the lineup? That's a GREAT problem to have. I just wish we could trade them for what we really need, but the trade market for SP is going to be very competitive this trade deadline.

 

Yup - those pieces don't get the SP we need. Teams dumping stud SP'ing are unlikely to want Rasmus's cost, even if AA was able to pull off a team friendly extension like he did with Y Escobar before he dealt him. That might changed if packaged with the right prospect(s).

[G-Snarls]

Yup - those pieces don't get the SP we need. Teams dumping stud SP'ing are unlikely to want Rasmus's cost, even if AA was able to pull off a team friendly extension like he did with Y Escobar before he dealt him. That might changed if packaged with the right prospect(s).

 

Would you be willing to part with Adam Lind and roll with Juan as your everyday DH? I don't think I would be willing to, but I do think Lind would have significant trade value.

 

Francisco might provide 80% or more of the offense that Lind does and that night be an acceptable sacrifice. (Power vs OBP) But he might not.

 

Also, although I might get ridiculed for this - Lind feels like he should remain part of this team if they're playoff bound. After all his years here (he's the most tenured guy on the roster if I'm not mistaken) it would he a shame if the Jays made the playoffs and he didn't get to be part of it.

 

That said, if I could get a legit SP upgrade for a package of Sanchez, Lind, and another prospect I still might do it. My reservation would be more the Francisco risk than the loyalty thing.

Edited June 2, 2014 by G-Snarls

[BigCecil]

Would you be willing to part with Adam Lind and roll with Juan as your everyday DH? I don't think I would be willing to, but I do think Lind would have significant trade value.

 

Francisco might provide 80% or more of the offense that Lind does and that night be an acceptable sacrifice. (Power vs OBP) But he might not. And although some might ridicule this - Lind feels like he should remain part of this team if they're playoff bound. After all his years here (he's the most tenured guy on the roster if I'm not mistaken) it would he a shame if the Jays made the playoffs and he didn't get to be part of it.

 

I really like Lind and am thrilled he has come back so strongly since his 2012 trip to LV. But business is business and I would deal him for what we need. I am not as sold on Juan as some. His K rate is still obscene facing almost exclusively RHP. I don't trust him to continue at near this production. I look for a big regression there that will have us cursing him out.

 

But we can get hired sticks elsewhere if need be at the deadline and if someone wants Lindy bad enough Id part with him reluctantly.

[G-Snarls]

I really like Lind and am thrilled he has come back so strongly since his 2012 trip to LV. But business is business and I would deal him for what we need. I am not as sold on Juan as some. His K rate is still obscene facing almost exclusively RHP. I don't trust him to continue at near this production. I look for a big regression there that will have us cursing him out.

 

But we can get hired sticks elsewhere if need be at the deadline and if someone wants Lindy bad enough Id part with him reluctantly.

 

Yeah that's about how I feel

 

Though you could continue to roll with 3 catchers and DH Kratz and Navarro when you don't want Francisco.

[G-Snarls]

I don't like having Francisco and Rasmus close to each other in the lineup either. The strikeouts are just gross.

[Chappy]

In an ideal scenario, Francisco is better utilized off the bench as your primary LHH power bat, backup 3B, backup 1B, and occasional DH when guys need rest.

 

The more I watch Lind hit, the more obvious it is that there is no chance in hell his option doesn't get picked up unless he has a disastrous second half. Which means Francisco either ends up sticking at 3B or moving to the bench where he provides great value.

[G-Snarls]

Lind is grossly underappreciated by most fans.

[kgm1]

We need to get Rasmus healthy and hitting a ton . Then he can be a trade chip come July if an injury occurs to a competitive team. I don't like the chance that a QO is an option here. Unless he breaks out, cuts the K,s down when back I don't see a team that will give up a first rounder.

[G-Snarls]

We need to get Rasmus healthy and hitting a ton . Then he can be a trade chip come July if an injury occurs to a competitive team. I don't like the chance that a QO is an option here. Unless he breaks out, cuts the K,s down when back I don't see a team that will give up a first rounder.

 

A team with a protected top 10 first round pick might

[kgm1]

Lind is grossly underappreciated by most fans.

 

Exactly! Long as you have a RHB to platoon with him. No way you don't snap up that option.

[kgm1]

A team with a protected top 10 first round pick might

 

I guess it depends on how he does in the 2nd half. There are teams that need a CF but he needs to put together 3 good months with the bat.

[kgm1]

Off to the cabin . I hate Off Days when we are winning. Toughest month of the season coming up with lots of games against +500 teams. Just want to keep winning each series.

[BigCecil]

Lind is grossly underappreciated by most fans.

 

agree with that. There was a thread this week started on his empty production. I think its totally ********.

 

While we might be trying to fix what aint broke I actually think Lind, the way he is swinging, could hit LHP more. He is looking 09 ish where he had a .780 OPS against them. But then again for that low of an upside why mess with what he has going right now, cause its fking impressive to watch how often he squares up the ball to all fields.

[BarkatToronto]

Well, in all fairness, he's an oft-injured, DH-only who needs a platoon mate ... and who suffered through some really bad years, in terms of production.

 

Very few teams have a dedicated DH. Fewer still have one that needs to be platooned. Fewer still have one that has a chronic, recurring injury problem that could incapacitate them (the back), even while only DHing. Fewer still have that same player being literally virtually worthless for a couple years running, even while playing, up until a year ago.

 

+1 on everything said here. People actually forget all the frustration and defeat Lind put this team through. He was one of the worst hitters in baseball for two plus years

[Anemic0ffense]

Any word on Rasmus? There's been nothing. Reyes was back quicker from his hammy than this. Another injury worse than what the team is leading us to believe?

[BarkatToronto]

Any word on Rasmus? There's been nothing. Reyes was back quicker from his hammy than this. Another injury worse than what the team is leading us to believe?

 

Last time i checked he was already pretty much ready. Decision will be have to made this week for sure

[G-Snarls]

I guess it depends on how he does in the 2nd half. There are teams that need a CF but he needs to put together 3 good months with the bat.

 

"Good Colby" instead of "Bad Colby" would help for two reasons jnnthe second half - both for playoff chances and return on him if he leaves.

[BarkatToronto]

No, he wasn't.

 

2010 OPS .712

2011 OPS .734

2012 OPS .729

 

Seem like terrible numbers to me, probably among league worst 20%. Not to mention having those numbers come from what should be a power posiiton

[G-Snarls]

No, he wasn't.

 

Right. And I was down on him too. Way down. But even at his worst, he was almost a league average bat. Albeit playing at a premium offensive position (1B)

[BarkatToronto]

He was a near league average bat 2 of those 3 seasons.

 

League average for the DH/1B position, or league average overall. There is a difference on the position a player plays, and the kind of production that should be coming out of the position. It would be inappropriate to compare Lind's numbers to that of a shortstop or a center fielder. I would bet my hat that he was in the bottom 3 for regular 1B/DH players in the American League

[BigCecil]

Right. And I was down on him too. Way down. buy even at his worst, he was almost a league average bat. Albeit playing at a premium offensive position (1B)

 

Some fair points. I get the back issue concern, but I don't get people going back to 2010-11-12 constantly. Since back from his near death experience in Las Vegas he is a much more 09ish hitter putting up excellent numbers against RHP, and he isn't expensive relative to a lot of vet contracts.

 

One can argue that if we have to have a full time specialist DH LHH that is a poor fielder he needs to rake to stick and add big value - and he is.

 

I trust his ability to hold these kinds of numbers a lot more than I trust Juans, as much as I appreciate what Francisco is doing. The fact he plays 3rd is an offsetting value increase over Lind.

[BarkatToronto]

As long as he never ever starts against a LHP I have no problem with him.

[Governator]

If you trade Juan, EE is going to cry.