AA: Jays need to upgrade at the 5th starter and 2B spot

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Question in any trade is there a maximum dollar value or percentage of salary you can give the other team in a trade?

 

Ie. Bautista's 14 million is there a mlb rule that blocks me from paying most or all of his salary?

 

Bad example sorry! Say Happ if that offends, can I pay up to what to get rid of him before the mlb steps in and stops it dead?

Edited April 26, 2014 by BigBounceyBlueBalls

[BlueJaysGirl]

If Stroman continues to pitch very well in AAA and if promoted as soon as possible, but far enough away to start his arbritation clock *and* the Jays thrown $8M at Stephen Drew to play 2B after the draft to play the rest of the season (and I still think this is possible), would this improve the Jays enough to have a shot at the Wildcard? June is a long ways away for Drew. Would he need a few weeks training to get ready? Do you think he might be ready to play right off the hop?

 

And yeah, I know the team talked about getting together as players and paying for Santana, deferring their salary, but I still think if the Jays are holding their own (which doesn't seem possible after these three atrocious games) the management might okay that signing.

 

Anyway, does that give us a chance?

[jays4life19]

Probably our top 6/7 prospects or something with Lawrie/Hutch in it. I've had the same idea too, lol.

 

Yeah. Probably not realistic. Nice to think about though...

 

Maybe a more realistic trade partner once Towers get's fired is an Aaron Hill/Brandon McCarthy package. McCarthy has an ugly ERA but a XFIP of 3.43. I don't think it would take too much to land both.

[GeorgiaPeach]

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2014/04/25/toronto-blue-jays-gm-alex-anthopoulos-says-fifth-starter-second-base-spots-occupied-by-dustin-mcgowan-ryan-goins-are-teams-biggest-concerns

 

No s*** sherlock. This couldve been written in November 2013.

 

Why not just try and upgrade anywhere?

 

I don't understand Alex's fascination with only tending to weaknesses.

[ElNik2013]

If Stroman continues to pitch very well in AAA and if promoted as soon as possible, but far enough away to start his arbritation clock *and* the Jays thrown $8M at Stephen Drew to play 2B after the draft to play the rest of the season (and I still think this is possible), would this improve the Jays enough to have a shot at the Wildcard? June is a long ways away for Drew. Would he need a few weeks training to get ready? Do you think he might be ready to play right off the hop?

 

And yeah, I know the team talked about getting together as players and paying for Santana, deferring their salary, but I still think if the Jays are holding their own (which doesn't seem possible after these three atrocious games) the management might okay that signing.

 

Anyway, does that give us a chance?

 

 

It would certainly give them a better chance, but AA would open himself to more questioning because everyone knew 2B was a need, including AA himself, yet didn't pursue any FA 2B.

 

AA also mentioned the bench as needing improvement yet didn't address it.

 

Drew would definitely need some minor league games to get ready. At the end of the day, this won't happen partly because Beeston doesn't want to deal with Boras.

[GeorgiaPeach]

umm no, they need to upgrade the top of the rotation and push everyone down a spot.

 

Without trading good prospects from the farm, who do you suggest we move?

[GeorgiaPeach]

You can get the biggest upgrades for cheap at positions of weakness where you have little value already. Acquiring a 2 WAR guy to replace Goins at 0 WAR is cheaper than acquiring a 5 WAR guy to replace Reyes at SS. Both would be the same upgrade, but one is easier to do.

 

So basically Alex has gone from unconventional GM to a GM who pretty much any fan can predict the areas he's looking to address.

 

Sounds like a man with a simple plan for a team years away from contention.

 

Woohoo!!!!!

[GeorgiaPeach]

The Jays bullpen is 2nd in baseball behind the Braves? Did I read that correctly?

 

Yeah. They've been 2013 Josh Johnson awesome.

[G-Snarls]

So... Stroman is the supposed solution for the 5th starter spot

 

What's the plan for 2B?

[ElNik2013]

So... Stroman is the supposed solution for the 5th starter spot

 

What's the plan for 2B?

 

 

I suspect they'll call up Kawasaki. At least he can draw a walk and dance.

[GD]

Yeah. Probably not realistic. Nice to think about though...

 

Maybe a more realistic trade partner once Towers get's fired is an Aaron Hill/Brandon McCarthy package. McCarthy has an ugly ERA but a XFIP of 3.43. I don't think it would take too much to land both.

 

We're on the same page lol, I've been thinking Hill and McCarthy too, but I feel like it'd be a bit cruel to bring back Hill. Like he needs to be part of this shithole again lol. I really like McCarthy as an option though.

 

I've had my eye on Utley for a while. Brian Dozier is sneaky good too. Unfortunately, the price on those two will be high, considering their hot starts. Dozier's got a 127 wRC+ on a .217 BABIP though lol. Daniel Murphy should be available, Drew had better f***ing be signed if nothing else works out, or maybe AA takes a shot on Assdribble and he gets lucky.

 

There are plenty of options, it's just that AA hasn't really seemed inclined to grab one of them.

[JFD]

Without trading good prospects from the farm, who do you suggest we move?

 

Bautista

[xposbrad]

This team needs a real #1 ace. It doesn't need a #5. The whole rotation has to be moved down a slot to accommodate a true dominant pitcher. I mean, he's delusional to think that this team needs a #5 and that's why the Jays will suck this year lol. Hell this team could use 2 top of the rotation starters, Dickey is done but AA is in denial about that.

[ElNik2013]

This team needs a real #1 ace. It doesn't need a #5. The whole rotation has to be moved down a slot to accommodate a true dominant pitcher. I mean, he's delusional to think that this team needs a #5 and that's why the Jays will suck this year lol. Hell this team could use 2 top of the rotation starters, Dickey is done but AA is in denial about that.

 

 

If I was the president or owner, I wouldn't allow AA to trade or pay what it would take to land a #1. He's already paid the price for a #1, he just happened to screw it up by acquiring the wrong #1 (Dickey). I'd rather fire him than let him misspend anymore re$ources. He made his bed, he needs to lie in it.

[Angrioter]

So... Stroman is the supposed solution for the 5th starter spot

 

What's the plan for 2B?

 

Matt Boyd, Tirado and Money for Dan Uggla.

[xposbrad]

If I was the president or owner, I wouldn't allow AA to trade or pay what it would take to land a #1. He's already paid the price for a #1, he just happened to screw it up by acquiring the wrong #1 (Dickey). I'd rather fire him than let him misspend anymore re$ources. He made his bed, he needs to lie in it.

 

Ya, I wouldn't either at this point. The Jays are way too thin in the prospect department and they realistically need 2 top of the rotation starters and a 2b. But a lot of teams are 2-3 players away from being a contending team.

[skinny123]

Dickey was never brought in to be a #1, he's a #3 or #4 as well as beurhle, except this year, he's been an ace until last night. AA's in denial about morrow that's for sure, this season is over and most don't even know it, this staff is terrible, writing's on the wall, they can't get past the 4th on most nights, and the shelves are bare, the kids are a year away, its' gonna be a long season, I wouldn't be surprised if jose, EE will ask for a trade next year, and melky will just walk.

[ElNik2013]

Dickey was never brought in to be a #1, he's a #3 or #4 as well as beurhle, except this year, he's been an ace until last night. AA's in denial about morrow that's for sure, this season is over and most don't even know it, this staff is terrible, writing's on the wall, they can't get past the 4th on most nights, and the shelves are bare, the kids are a year away, its' gonna be a long season, I wouldn't be surprised if jose, EE will ask for a trade next year, and melky will just walk.

 

 

The Jays certainly paid for Dickey as if he was a #1 or 2.

[GD]

Dickey was never brought in to be a #1, he's a #3 or #4

 

Is this why we traded two top 20 prospects for him?

[TheHurl]

Yes the guy that pitched 233 innings of almost 9k/9 ball and AA told everyone, we believe he'll get better...was brought in to put up #4 numbers

[The_DH]

If I was the president or owner, I wouldn't allow AA to trade or pay what it would take to land a #1. He's already paid the price for a #1, he just happened to screw it up by acquiring the wrong #1 (Dickey). I'd rather fire him than let him misspend anymore re$ources. He made his bed, he needs to lie in it.

 

But the solution will not occur by saying no moves. Take off the handcuffs or fire him. Sitting there in handcuffs won't do.

[skinny123]

Dickey had that cy young year, but only a fool would think that he would repeat those numbers, anyone with proper baseball accumen would know the reality of coming down to earth. Fact is, nobody know's how dickey will perform year to year, start to start, pitch to pitch, not even dickey. To think that you were signing a roger clemens in his prime, or another doc, is foolish on the fan's part, or AA, or just fans drinking the kook aid. At this point, you can only pray that he's a #4, and especially in his decline, but we can all watch the career of syndergaard explode well after mr.dickey is retired.

[admin]

Lee + Utley for our farm.

[admin]

Dickey had that cy young year, but only a fool would think that he would repeat those numbers, anyone with proper baseball accumen would know the reality of coming down to earth. Fact is, nobody know's how dickey will perform year to year, start to start, pitch to pitch, not even dickey. To think that you were signing a roger clemens in his prime, or another doc, is foolish on the fan's part, or AA, or just fans drinking the kook aid. At this point, you can only pray that he's a #4, and especially in his decline, but we can all watch the career of syndergaard explode well after mr.dickey is retired.

 

I never liked the Dickey trade from the beginning, but you're a liar or didn't watch baseball if you didn't expect him to atleast be decent. Too many times I see people say "He had one good year". If you think he only had one good year it makes me think you look in the win/loss column and that makes me cry. In his three years in NY he pitched over 600 innings with a 2.95ERA, 1.15WHIP, 2.2BB/9. That's 7th in the league in ERA over those three years. So no, it wasn't one good season, it wasn't one 'fluke' season.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Bautista

 

He'd be one of the first. But with the direction the FO took, and the fans love for overpaid, ex-stars there's little chance any of the guys on our 25 man are traded.

[skinny123]

I never liked the Dickey trade from the beginning, but you're a liar or didn't watch baseball if you didn't expect him to atleast be decent. Too many times I see people say "He had one good year". If you think he only had one good year it makes me think you look in the win/loss column and that makes me cry. In his three years in NY he pitched over 600 innings with a 2.95ERA, 1.15WHIP, 2.2BB/9. That's 7th in the league in ERA over those three years. So no, it wasn't one good season, it wasn't one 'fluke' season.

 

I said that he had that one cy young year, I didn't say that he had one good year. He was coming into a much tougher division, and to a hitter friendly park, so, everyone was expecting a bit of a drop-off, and last year, he wasn't that bad in the second half, but two years later, now he's almost 40, and there's no way he can repeat what he did three or four years ago in the NL, and a different park. I choose to look at today, and right now, I'm not even sure what he is, and neither is any fan, we don't know what we're getting inning to inning and pitch to pitch, this season can go downhill real fast, and I'm not the type to say I told you so.

[GeorgiaPeach]

This team needs a real #1 ace. It doesn't need a #5. The whole rotation has to be moved down a slot to accommodate a true dominant pitcher. I mean, he's delusional to think that this team needs a #5 and that's why the Jays will suck this year lol. Hell this team could use 2 top of the rotation starters, Dickey is done but AA is in denial about that.

 

Remember when Halladay was here? Boy those Jays teams were dominant with a true ace anchoring the rotation.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Matt Boyd, Tirado and Money for Dan Uggla.

 

Why?

[GeorgiaPeach]

Yes he was.

 

It's a shame he didn't have the pedigree of a #1.

 

I'm sorry but a couple good years don't do it for me.

[skinny123]

Remember when Halladay was here? Boy those Jays teams were dominant with a true ace anchoring the rotation.

 

Yes,, Ervin's no guarantee, his numbers are off the charts so far, if AA was a good gm, he would've signed him in january.