AA: Jays need to upgrade at the 5th starter and 2B spot

[GeorgiaPeach]

Almost nobody here thinks AA is a smart GM.

 

Somebody else must've been calling the shots on all the moves from when he started wearing the GM hat until the Happ trade.

[skinny123]

Lesson learned as a fan though: tearing it down is easy. Actually assembling a cohesive 25-man roster with sufficient support from the farm is another matter entirely. I'll never again form a strong opinion of a management group until they've actually assembled a roster that competes and looks like it can do so long term.

 

Problem is, I think they gave him a spending cap, he reached that cap with no results, the well's run dry, evidence in the non-activity in the off-season.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Problem is, I think they gave him a spending cap, he reached that cap with no results, the well's run dry, evidence in the non-activity in the off-season.

 

So basically he's fielding a team, being house poor. f***ing brilliant.

[Boxcar]

Serious question, do you really think AA is a smart GM? I think he's done some real bad trades, he traded doc, the jays best all-time pitcher, and as of today, they have nothing to show for it, no return at all. He traded napoli away for francisco after four days, he traded aviles and gomes for esmil rogerscentre(hitter friendly).

 

The only guy here who thinks AA is a good GM is kgm.

[ElNik2013]

Problem is, I think they gave him a spending cap, he reached that cap with no results, the well's run dry, evidence in the non-activity in the off-season.

 

This is no excuse though. All teams have a spending cap, well except for the Yankkes and Dodgers, but the point stands. He blew the budget on the Marlins trade. People forget that he had to get rid of John Buck's salary and probably factored that into what he paid the Mets for Dickey.

 

He should've known how Rogers operates from his time as JPR's assistant when they let him spend one year only to close the purse strings the next.

[ElNik2013]

I still think the team can be retooled to win now, there are moves out there.

 

 

I think many would agree with you, they just think AA doesn't have it in him to make these moves a this past off season kind of proves them right.

[ElNik2013]

Is it just my dumbness or did the Blue Jays rearrange the rotation a couple weeks ago so that Dickey would pitch on his bobble head day?

[GeorgiaPeach]

I still think the team can be retooled to win now, there are moves out there.

 

Win now, or contend now?

[skinny123]

In that case Happ, Janssen, Santos, and Rogers should all have been shipped out to clear payroll.

 

Santos and Janssen have trade value, this will be interesting before the trade deadline, if the jays are in last place, this might be an option.

[skinny123]

I think many would agree with you, they just think AA doesn't have it in him to make these moves a this past off season kind of proves them right.

 

The moves are in the starting rotation, these moves won't be available for three months, this is when teams will start to throw up the white flag and clean house, by that time, it might be too late for the jays too.

[Convo]

All kinds of derp!

 

Why is it derp? A higher value player carries more risk. Nothing derp about it.

[ElNik2013]

The moves are in the starting rotation, these moves won't be available for three months, this is when teams will start to throw up the white flag and clean house, by that time, it might be too late for the jays too.

 

 

The moves were available this past off season and he didn't address the holes, although at least he talked about some of the issues.

[The_DH]

Maybe he did have a "mentor" in the early days. Did anyone leave/retire just before theHapp trade?

[ElNik2013]

Maybe he did have a "mentor" in the early days. Did anyone leave/retire just before theHapp trade?

 

 

Cito Gaston.

[skinny123]

The moves were available this past off season and he didn't address the holes, although at least he talked about some of the issues.

 

He didn't do anything in the off-season besides upgrade the catcher position, which wasn't hard to do, considering jpa was one of the worst catchers ever. He lost De Rosa, and didn't do anything to enhance the bench, and we all know what else he didn't address.

[ElNik2013]

He didn't do anything in the off-season besides upgrade the catcher position, which wasn't hard to do, considering jpa was one of the worst catchers ever. He lost De Rosa, and didn't do anything to enhance the bench, and we all know what else he didn't address.

 

That was kind of the point, that we don't think he can make the necessary moves to improve this roster to where it's a contender? You had said that the moves were in the starting rotation and these moves wouldn't be available for 3 months. To which I replied that the moves were available since last off season yet AA didn't address the team's holes.

 

Anyway....

[skinny123]

That was kind of the point, that we don't think he can make the necessary moves to improve this roster to where it's a contender? You had said that the moves were in the starting rotation and these moves wouldn't be available for 3 months. To which I replied that the moves were available since last off season yet AA didn't address the team's holes.

 

Anyway....

 

If rogers doesn't give him the ok to take on the extra salaries, then no, there's no hope and there never will be.

[skinny123]

Although they might be able to trade prospects to non-playoff teams near the deadline, this is always an option, only if they're competing for a wildcard.

[skinny123]

If rogers doesn't give him the ok to take on the extra salaries, then no, there's no hope and there never will be.

 

Difference, in the off-season, it's harder to pry an elite pitcher away from a team through a trade, a lot easier near the trade deadline if they've decided to take a different direction with the club, ie a rebuild.

[ElNik2013]

If rogers doesn't give him the ok to take on the extra salaries, then no, there's no hope and there never will be.

 

 

By AA and Beston's own words, the money is there. They did offer $14M to Santana and AA could've traded Janssen and/or Santos and/or Cecil.

[skinny123]

By AA and Beston's own words, the money is there. They did offer $14M to Santana and AA could've traded Janssen and/or Santos and/or Cecil.

 

He could've traded Janssen and/or Santos and /or Cecil, to make room for Santana's salary?

[skinny123]

They could've gotten Santana in january, but he was asking for a longer term, the jays have set parametres when signing a player, they won't go longer than five years.

[The_DH]

The new parameters when signing a player are DON'T.

[skinny123]

Thanks man, I never knew???

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btdC4A90f70

 

Ok, I guess you know everything, no use in having a discussion.

[skinny123]

The new parameters when signing a player are DON'T.

 

That's what it seems, they did the same thing with JP after they tried with BJ and AJ, now after the JJ and dickey experience, we're going through it all over again. Getting stuck with bad contracts doesn't seem to bother other teams in the division. Jays play like they're a small market team, but they have their games broadcast throughout the whole country, they bring in much more tv revenue than most teams.

[skinny123]

Discussion.........yeah right, I know everything!!

 

This is what I know, rogers doesn't have to be at the top of the division, as long as they keep jose and EE there, sign a beurhle once in a while, have them overachieve , they'll be ok on the tv ratings side of things. If jose and EE had their best years on other clubs, there's NO way they would be on the jays today. If melky didn't go through what he did with the peds, same thing.

[ElNik2013]

He could've traded Janssen and/or Santos and /or Cecil, to make room for Santana's salary?

 

 

 

Not for Santana. They offered $14M to Santana so this obviously means they had/have at least $14M to spend. They could've traded Janssen and/or Santos and/or Cecil to free up more payroll room. Realistically, it would've been only 1 of Janssen or Santos. In fairness, they were rumoured to have traded Santos in 2 separate deals, although it's all rumours.

[skinny123]

Not for Santana. They offered $14M to Santana so this obviously means they had/have at least $14M to spend. They could've traded Janssen and/or Santos and/or Cecil to free up more payroll room. Realistically, it would've been only 1 of Janssen or Santos. In fairness, they were rumoured to have traded Santos in 2 separate deals, although it's all rumours.

 

I see what you're saying, yes, they could spend, but at the same time, at the cost of weakening the pen to free up salary, so there's conditions with that. Also, the story that came out about 4 players willing to defer their salaries to make room, makes me wonder, at what cost this extra $14M was going to take, and why didn't they just get it over with a lot earlier.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Lol definitions is what gets you. Same thing to me. No team can be a lock to win the WS or anything.

 

For sure. I don't consider competing and contending to be the same and that gets thrown around way too much. To me competing is being able to stay in a ball game.... an average team if you will. Contending means to actually be good enough to contend for something, a goal....the pennant or WC.

 

I don't think the Jays are close to contention. They'd either have to luck their way in, or make a couple of significant moves.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Although they might be able to trade prospects to non-playoff teams near the deadline, this is always an option, only if they're competing for a wildcard.

 

I don't understand why fans want to continue on down that road?

 

It puts the Jays in a further financial bind and cuts at the future even deeper.