Yan Gomes signed 6yr 23mil wow

[Caper]

Question is why not? Why was he able to move up to the majors and put up a lower K-rate than he did in the high minors. Why did we move him off of catcher, when he's getting really good reviews from the metrics as well as the scouts? Sometimes players just find their game, sometimes it's just a lucky few months...but overall another org sees enough in him to commit to him for the rest of the decade and we saw little in him over 5 years.

 

I loved Gomes.... That's not bragging, mostly ignorance... I was a sucker for spring training stats. When I asked the hive (led by queen bee BTS of course) if he had a shot to suprise... I was shot down pretty quick... He was just minor league trash.... But if you think of his background, he was a good candidate to suprise.. He took up the game late... He was a backup at surely got less reps then the rest of the guys in the minors.... Anyway, I'll be rooting for the guy.

[Caper]

Nobody was shedding a tear when we dealt Gomes for Rogers, so let's not pretend now that everyone saw this coming.

 

I know I was... I'm probably the deleted poster on that thread.

[Dylan]

I disliked the trade but not because of gomes lol

[TheHurl]

I loved Gomes.... That's not bragging, mostly ignorance... I was a sucker for spring training stats. When I asked the hive (led by queen bee BTS of course) if he had a shot to suprise... I was shot down pretty quick... He was just minor league trash.... But if you think of his background, he was a good candidate to suprise.. He took up the game late... He was a backup at surely got less reps then the rest of the guys in the minors.... Anyway, I'll be rooting for the guy.

 

I was very anti-Gomes and I'm sure there are plenty of posts on the old board where I said he had zero value. Guys that strike out 25% of the time in AA and AAA tend to strike out close to 30% of the time in the majors (pretty close to what Gomes was in his 100 PA run here). To survive with that K Rate you have 4 chances of being successful, big BABIP, a s*** tonne of power, great D or cut the K's. Historically the only guys that cut their K's from the minors to the majors are guys that as they have moved up, improved their K rates. I might add one more thing to that list...leave an org that doesn't seem to care about K-rates. I admit when I'm wrong and I've gone full Gomes, owning him as my only catcher in one dynasty league.

[Grant77]

Really? Trading Gomes and Aviles for a reliever wasn't well received IIRC

 

It certainly wasn't because of Gomes, see for yourself:

 

http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=ml-bluejays&tid=86985

 

The only positive comments I see are gsnarls saying he's an inconsistent bench piece and me saying I liked his catcher defense (which had been criticized a lot).

[Grant77]

The FO is supposed to know more than the fans though.

 

Mistakes happen, ask the Pirates and Reds. You want our FO to be more analytical and there sure as hell wasn't a statistical precursor for his 2013 season.

[Abomination]

The atrocity was the Jays not knowing the superior defensive skill set of Gomes behind the plate. This is a great deal for the Tribe.

 

I believe there was something at the time about Kevin Cash being very much against the trade, saying that Gomes would be a full time major league catcher.

[Laika]

The Blue Jays have 1029102910 scouts.

 

Fans could plainly see that Gomes had some defensive utility, and JPA was a horrendous defensive catcher. The Blue Jays couldn't see that.

 

It's pretty bad, guys.

 

How about opening up the season without a backup CF this year (like having no backup SS last year)?

How about keeping Thole over Kratz solely because of knuckleball comfort (ironically like keeping Blanco over Thole last year)?

 

It's f***ing Deja Blue.

[saskjayfan]

The Blue Jays have 1029102910 scouts.

 

Fans could plainly see that Gomes had some defensive utility, and JPA was a horrendous defensive catcher. The Blue Jays couldn't see that.

 

It's pretty bad, guys.

 

How about opening up the season without a backup CF this year (like having no backup SS last year)?

How about keeping Thole over Kratz solely because of knuckleball comfort (ironically like keeping Blanco over Thole last year)?

 

It's f***ing Deja Blue.

 

deja blue....like you're constant complaining? The starting back up centre fielder is less than a 2 hour drive away..chill out. You think having the ace of your staff mentally strong and getting off to a hot start isn't important? Kratz will be up in a month....the season starts Monday...can you hold off on your AA bashing for at least a week..

[Laika]

The starting back up centre fielder is less than a 2 hour drive away..chill out.

 

Great, so when Colby gets hurt they can just call time-out and tell Gose to rent a car, I guess.

 

If the team didn't have a track record of egregious roster mismanagement then I wouldn't find it appropriate to complain about minor stuff like this.

[GD]

That seems more like an average AAA bench, than anything.

[Laika]

So whats our bench to open the season?

 

Thole (Knuckleball Specalist?)

Izturis (-2.2war last season..s***)

Sierra (DH with no bat)

 

Yup.

 

And then add Goins to the list after Drew gets signed on day 2 of the season.

 

Goins can probably play CF cuz he's black and thin and athletic and stuff.

[Grant77]

I feel like knowing he could catch probably isn't asking too much from the team that had him in the org for 4 years.

 

Trading him doesn't mean they thought he couldn't catch. He projected to strike out over 30% of the time and not walk. That's not useful anywhere.

[TheHurl]

Trading him doesn't mean they thought he couldn't catch. He projected to strike out over 30% of the time and not walk. That's not useful anywhere.

 

Think about that statement for just a second....now go back and delete.

[saskjayfan]

Great, so when Colby gets hurt they can just call time-out and tell Gose to rent a car, I guess.

 

If the team didn't have a track record of egregious roster mismanagement then I wouldn't find it appropriate to complain about minor stuff like this.

 

 

Give me a f***ing break...if Colby gets hurt for one game Melky can play centre and sierra can play left. I don't like an 8 man bullpen either, but I'm pretty sure it's not going to be an 8 man bullpen all year. Izzy is not a useless bench player...for f*** sakes the Yankees had nix and stewart on their bench last year so quit your f***ing bitching. It's opening day on Monday. You can continue your bitching in a week....You think you'd make a fantastic GM...most likely a million times better than AA...but no team in the MLB has made you an offer to run their team so shut it.

[Laika]

lol

[saskjayfan]

So whats our bench to open the season?

 

Thole (Knuckleball Specalist?)

Izturis (-2.2war last season..s***)

Sierra (DH with no bat)

 

You're really going to judge izzy on one year and not look at his entire career? Great GM work there.

[John_Havok]

Give me a f***ing break...if Colby gets hurt for one game Melky can play centre and sierra can play left. I don't like an 8 man bullpen either, but I'm pretty sure it's not going to be an 8 man bullpen all year. Izzy is not a useless bench player...for f*** sakes the Yankees had nix and stewart on their bench last year so quit your f***ing bitching. It's opening day on Monday. You can continue your bitching in a week....You think you'd make a fantastic GM...most likely a million times better than AA...but no team in the MLB has made you an offer to run their team so shut it.

 

Let me get this straight... Everyone should just blindly support the decisions without question just because... Why exactly?

[Grant77]

Think about that statement for just a second....now go back and delete.

 

Yes, I'm aware how much JPA sucked. His minor league dominance justified the first couple of years, but it went too far.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

I dunno, the fact there isn't a single useful player on the bench seems like a pretty legit gripe two days before opening day.

 

I'm not sure if it's wise to totally dismiss a late bloomer like Sierra when the thread concerns how many of you ( and the Jays ) totally wrote off Gomes.

Are you suggesting we sign Drew or Morales ?

[8D]

Nobody was shedding a tear when we dealt Gomes for Rogers, so let's not pretend now that everyone saw this coming.

 

I've read through this thread, and I still can't find one person who claimed to have seen Gomes' "breakout" or saw last season's performance coming.

However, fans have every right to pick apart this trade. It's not up to the fans to come up with scouting reports on every player and then to analyze the trade for the organization. That's on the org.

But fans have the right to look back on a trade and decide whether it was a good trade for the org when all things are considered.

It's the FO that is leading this team through drafts, signings, extensions and trades. And fans can create opinions whether or not this FO is leading this team in the right direction.

 

And looking back, trading TDA+ and letting JPA assume the catcher's role only to rightfully release him, while Gomes' "breakout" occuring... it doesn't look like the Jays made the right move at all when it comes to the catcher position.

And having this gaping hole at catcher during our "window of contention" while letting go a player that could have really helped us, does look pretty f***ing awful for the Jays' FO.

The pressure is on.

[TheHurl]

Yes, I'm aware how much JPA sucked. His minor league dominance justified the first couple of years, but it went too far.

 

My comment was much more to do with the statement the Jays let Gomes go because of awareness that this isn't acceptable.

[saskjayfan]

Why would you look at the career numbers of a 33-year old? He isn't the player he once was, and the decline started in 2012. When you're a career bench player, it doesn't take a whole lot of skill erosion to render you useless. Guy just doesn't hit the ball hard anymore, and has lost a step in the field. It happens at that age.

 

izzy played more than 100 games in 6 of the last 8 seasons...bench players don't play 100 games. Cano just go 10 years at that age....you should have consulted with the mariners and saved them some money.

[ElNik2013]

I had a problem with the trade at the time, mainly because I thought AA was overpaying. I did like the little I saw of Gomes at the plate, but didn't see him enough. I also liked that he could play 3B, 1B and C.

 

The biggest issue is the overpayment. Overpay for Happ, overpay for Rogers, overpay in the Marlins trade, overpay in the Dickey trade. By definition, when you overpay, you end up with less than you gave up. Do it in 4 trades in a row and...well, you need to be canned.

[saskjayfan]

I'm not sure if it's wise to totally dismiss a late bloomer like Sierra when the thread concerns how many of you ( and the Jays ) totally wrote off Gomes.

Are you suggesting we sign Drew or Morales ?

 

I'm not sold on Sierra, but I'm not completely writing him off...he has natural athleticism..good bat speed. He has too many moving parts in his swing, but he could make adjustments and progress. He hit well enough this spring and good last year in his call up. I would most certainly sign drew...but I don't know the budget constraints...

[theblujay]

But BTS told me that players like Gomes (and Goins) would never succeed.

[theblujay]

How ironic is it that the same people who wrote off Gomes are writing off Sierra in the same thread.

[saskjayfan]

wat

 

If you are taking 60 or 70% of at bats at a position you're not a bench player....

[Boxcar]

lol

 

I'm Ok with this because it would be nice if Melky gets CF eligibility.

[Grant77]

My comment was much more to do with the statement the Jays let Gomes go because of awareness that this isn't acceptable.

 

I feel like our front office kept JPA because they expected improvement from him and not because they were really pleased with what he had done. That's just a guess though.