What to do with JA Happ

[o2cui2i]

It's fine if we are talking about the difference between contending and not, or putting the finishing touch on a contender. That being said, I am just weary of such deals when the money could probably be more safely invested into positional players. Teams are handing these deals out to mid rotation guys and that is just risky business.

 

The only time I don't have an issue with it is when you know your team is already f***ed like the Jays. Going all in was crazy, but if you are going to do it then spend spend spend, otherwise you just threw away your window and your future simultaneously.

 

it would be interesting to know who's idea it was to go buck wild last year and why they didn't follow through this off season. we probably never find out.

[ElNik2013]

Apparently, Happ “says that he was told at the start of camp he was in the rotation, and no one has told him otherwise since.” Happ, he adds, “assumes he’s still in.”

 

 

So this is why he's sucked this ST, he's working on that angle.

[o2cui2i]

Apparently, Happ “says that he was told at the start of camp he was in the rotation, and no one has told him otherwise since.” Happ, he adds, “assumes he’s still in.”

 

 

So this is why he's sucked this ST, he's working on that angle.

 

sounds like one of the brutally stupid promises AA would make.

[ElNik2013]

it would be interesting to know who's idea it was to go buck wild last year and why they didn't follow through this off season. we probably never find out.

 

 

 

Yeah, it would be nice to find out. I remember reading last year that AA was "itching to make a trade". That, to me, means they were out to make moves, one way or the other and striking out was not an option.

 

Anyway....

[o2cui2i]

Yeah, it would be nice to find out. I remember reading last year that AA was "itching to make a trade". That, to me, means they were out to make moves, one way or the other and striking out was not an option.

 

Anyway....

 

I think Beeston pushed him.

[ElNik2013]

sounds like one of the brutally stupid promises AA would make.

 

 

 

AA really has a few days to move one or 2 of Redmond/Rogers/Happ/McGowan/Jeffress and get something in return. My preference would be one of Janssen/Santos along with one of these guys.

[G-Snarls]

AA really has a few days to move one or 2 of Redmond/Rogers/Happ/McGowan/Jeffress and get something in return. My preference would be one of Janssen/Santos along with one of these guys.

 

There are teams that will want Rogers and Redmond. Teams with multiple guys on the 60 day DL and can absorb the roster spot.

[o2cui2i]

AA really has a few days to move one or 2 of Redmond/Rogers/Happ/McGowan/Jeffress and get something in return. My preference would be one of Janssen/Santos along with one of these guys.

 

starting with an 8 man pen just because AA cant get a deal done is pathetic. sacrificing a bench to keep a marginal pen arm is bad as well.

 

they need to trade at least 1 pen arm and give Izturis away for a bag of balls.

[ElNik2013]

I think Beeston pushed him.

 

 

That's my suspicion as well and this is not to say AA shouldn't be held accountable for the moves as I think he should've gotten a discount for the contracts he took on from the Marlins and clearly gave up too much for Dickey. However, the bigger issue to me is the change of direction from building a sustainable winner to some sort of contending window which was a complete reversal of what AA had been preaching and working towards in his first 3 years as GM.

 

 

Too late now....

[G-Snarls]

starting with an 8 man pen just because AA cant get a deal done is pathetic. sacrificing a bench to keep a marginal pen arm is bad as well.

 

they need to trade at least 1 pen arm and give Izturis away for a bag of balls.

 

Jeffress is never going to be an effective major league pitcher. Izturis is horrendous. Be rid of them. We have many players better than both in the org and we need spots on the 25 man.

[ElNik2013]

There are teams that will want Rogers and Redmond. Teams with multiple guys on the 60 day DL and can absorb the roster spot.

 

 

 

On the other hand, teams also know he can't keep all these relievers so they're probably not gonna offer much in return. We'll have to wait and see, but AA may have gotten too cute again.

[o2cui2i]

That's my suspicion as well and this is not to say AA shouldn't be held accountable for the moves as I think he should've gotten a discount for the contracts he took on from the Marlins and clearly gave up too much for Dickey. However, the bigger issue to me is the change of direction from building a sustainable winner to some sort of contending window which was a complete reversal of what AA had been preaching and working towards in his first 3 years as GM.

 

 

Too late now....

 

once you get half way in there is no logical reason to stop.

 

AA got rid of Wells ridiculous contract and got Delebar for Thames.... those are two good moves. happ was a bad move. the Marlins trade was a snowball that got out of control.

[o2cui2i]

Jeffress is never going to be an effective major league pitcher. Izturis is horrendous. Be rid of them. We have many players better than both in the org and we need spots on the 25 man.

 

both Diaz and Kawasaki are much better options that Izturis. Jeffress and Happ are lesser than other options the jays have. the only thing standing in the way of the team being better is AA not wanting to let guys go.

[ElNik2013]

once you get half way in there is no logical reason to stop.

 

AA got rid of Wells ridiculous contract and got Delebar for Thames.... those are two good moves. happ was a bad move. the Marlins trade was a snowball that got out of control.

 

 

 

I know, I'm just saying the change of direction is more concerning than specific trades. The standpat approach this offseason is perplexing to say the least given the moves they made. It makes you think they're stuck in between which is the worst thing you can do.

 

We'll see what happens.

[G-Snarls]

. the only thing standing in the way of the team being better is AA not wanting to let guys go.

 

And the guaranteed money he has signed Izturis and Happ to

[Grant77]

I don't think anyone is overreacting when it comes to Happ. He had very pedestrian numbers his short career and got beaned in the head with a rocket. I wouldn't blame him if he never pitches in the MLB again.

 

If that were the case, people would still be willing to see what he's got in a couple of April starts, just like they were before ST.

 

Happ had one of the best springs in the league last year, along with Phil Humber, Brandon Maurer, and Lucas Harrell. Mike Minor, Bartolo Colon, Homer Bailey, and Kris Medlen were amongst the worst, with some pretty putrid stats.

 

I'm not saying Happ will be good, but history has a good lesson to teach you about overreacting to spring training.

[ElNik2013]

If it's true that teams are looking for starting pitching depth, there's gotta be a team out there willing to give up a bag of balls or some $ for one of these guys, hasn't there?

 

On the other hand, teams know AA has to waive 2 guys at some point.

[Grant77]

The issue is more that nobody expected Hutchison to steal a rotation spot, and now that he has keeping Happ likely means cutting Redmond unless the team goes with a ridiculous 8-man pen.

 

It may be ridiculous for a team with starting pitching depth, but a couple of weeks isn't going to kill us if it helps our weakest area. The position players will be fresh to begin the year, it's the best time to experiment.

[jayswin11]

stick him in the pen

[G-Snarls]

stick him in the pen

 

I don't accept that as a solution. Unless AA has a deal up his sleeve. We would probably lose either Redmond or Rogers if Happ goes to the pen.

[saskjayfan]

once you get half way in there is no logical reason to stop.

 

AA got rid of Wells ridiculous contract and got Delebar for Thames.... those are two good moves. happ was a bad move. the Marlins trade was a snowball that got out of control.

 

We also signed bautista to a good contract and EE for 4 years 37 mil...that's a steal. Happ was stupid. Izzy was a career .715 OPS guy prior to last year and there's not much for 2nd base talent out there for 3 mil a season. It was pretty much a market rate contract...I still think Izzy can bounce back some this year.

[Pete_7]

Assign Happ to Buffalo and if he refuses release him outright. He is useless

[Maahfaace]

Is Tonya Harding still kicking around? If so, get her to work over happ's knees and be done with this talk about him refusing a stop in buffalo.

[Angrioter]

Bad news

[jays_fever]

Watch them send down Hutch

[Sammy225]

I welcome Happ's return. It likely spells the end of that assclown Jeffress.

 

I am willing to bet he does not see a start with the jays barring injury

[TDotttt2005]

Watch them send down Hutch

 

I don't think it will happen, but that would be just another of the WTF things this front office has been known for. I can hear AA now talking to Bob McCowan about options and saying that Jeffress has a great chance to be a closer type guy, his stuff is great...this and that. Im making myself mad typing this, so i'll stop.

[G-Snarls]

I welcome Happ's return. It likely spells the end of that assclown Jeffress.

 

That's all well and good, but where do we put Happ? In the bullpen?

[G-Snarls]

Watch them send down Hutch

 

No F'n way

 

And I mean both terrible idea AND they won't do it

[G-Snarls]

A lot probably depends on how McGowan and Morrow perform