Dickey: "We need to make this work or it could all get blown up"

LGBJ29 · March 4, 2014

Is Los Viste a thing this year? If anyone does any of those pseudo gang symbols they should be sent to AAA.

Gibbons needs to actually f***ing take control of his team. Hands off = not good with these immature clowns.

Pseudo gang symbols what? Have you ever been on a competitive baseball team? Hand signals are a fun thing teams do when they get an extra base hit. The pirates do Zoltan from Dude wheres my car, the Rangers do the moose antlers. My team does the zoro. They're not gang symbols, they're fun, keep the mood light. Who cares if they do the Lo viste let them have fun. If you really think the Lo viste contributes to them losing you're an idiot.

KingKat · March 4, 2014

Pseudo gang symbols what? Have you ever been on a competitive baseball team? Hand signals are a fun thing teams do when they get an extra base hit. The pirates do Zoltan from Dude wheres my car, the Rangers do the moose antlers. My team does the zoro. They're not gang symbols, they're fun, keep the mood light. Who cares if they do the Lo viste let them have fun. If you really think the Lo viste contributes to them losing you're an idiot.

The hand symbol stuff is kind of dumb but it's the kind of thing where every fan is fine with it then the team does well and finds it super irritating when the team does poorly. It's evem more annoying when it calls attention to one of the team's most terrible players. Lo Viste sucks because Bonifacio sucks.

Convo · March 5, 2014

god I hope it does blow up no way this will work we don't have the pitching staff necessary to compete in the playoffs even if we do make it. Whats the point in a first round exit if we magically grab a wild card spot ? Someone bribe Theo Epstein and lets start again.

There's no way you can say this with conviction. The pitching staff we have in Morrow, Dickey, Buehrle, and possibly Hutchison are more than capable, and considering we could easily have a top 10 offense... all hope is not lost yet.

8D · March 5, 2014

Who do you guys keep if we blow it up? Anyone? Who is off limits? Not even sure if keeping Lawrie makes sense given his prime years won't matter much here.

Stangstag · March 5, 2014

I don't think a blow up is necessary. It can be reworked, but off limits in a blow up would be Lawrie yes, Hutch and Stroman.

Trade:

Bautista

Encarnacion

Reyes

Dickey

Morrow

Buehrle

Wow, those guys could bring back some top-tier talent. We could end up with 3-4 legit MLB-ready prospects, along with several guys in the lower levels

8D · March 5, 2014

And pretty much the whole BP. Let two or three go at certain deadlines throughout the entire year.

L54 · March 5, 2014

Out of curiosity, do you guys think EE is as highly regarded around the league as he is by the saber community? I think it's a pretty common theme here that we all view him as "elite", but do the rest of the league's front offices too (save for Tampa).

Not only that, but when do we expect to see an EE decline? Someone like JFaS should be able to answer this accurately. If we could infuse the ML roster with young, ML ready talent, does it make sense to keep EE around to DH?

Disclaimer: I know there are many variables such as he theoretically should bring in the biggest haul (if he's valued correctly across the league), that he might be looking for his big pay day, etc. Just trying to get a feel for everyone else's opinions.

Abomination · March 5, 2014

Who do you guys keep if we blow it up? Anyone? Who is off limits? Not even sure if keeping Lawrie makes sense given his prime years won't matter much here.

I think you keep everyone we currently have who has at least 2 more arbitration years, and trade everyone else (unless they're having a really bad year and have more than 1 year of control left). I know some people will disagree on that (there's some people like Cecil and Delabar on that keep list), but the reason I say that is because I think the return they'd bring can be maximized by holding onto them a little longer.

Basically it would mean trading Buehrle, Reyes, Bautista, Dickey, EE, Melky, Morrow, Lind, Rasmus, Happ, Janssen, Santos, Izzy, Navarro, McGowan, and if AA bought off a witch doctor, Romero.

Cecil could be maximized by moving to the closer's role for a year, then traded at the 2015 deadline or following offseason. Do the same with Delabar but advance it a year. Someone will pay for 'dem saves.

TheBigSmoke.RF · March 5, 2014

Out of curiosity, do you guys think EE is as highly regarded around the league as he is by the saber community? I think it's a pretty common theme here that we all view him as "elite", but do the rest of the league's front offices too (save for Tampa).

Not only that, but when do we expect to see an EE decline? Someone like JFaS should be able to answer this accurately. If we could infuse the ML roster with young, ML ready talent, does it make sense to keep EE around to DH?

Disclaimer: I know there are many variables such as he theoretically should bring in the biggest haul (if he's valued correctly across the league), that he might be looking for his big pay day, etc. Just trying to get a feel for everyone else's opinions.

Well he was chosen as an all star so thats some recognition and really other GMs will take notice of EEs wicked K/BB ratio stats like that are hard to be fluked because its a measure of discipline which remains relatively stable (Hes only reached 100ks once in in his career in 2007). I think EE is legit and the only decline I expect is the one that naturally comes with age. That being said I trade him now and JB for the moon because we DO NOT have a team that can legitimately compete in the AL east never-mind the world series.

Ziggyy108 · March 5, 2014

Trade:
Bautista
Encarnacion
Reyes
Dickey
Morrow
Buehrle

Wow, those guys could bring back some top-tier talent. We could end up with 3-4 legit MLB-ready prospects, along with several guys in the lower levels

Absolutely.

Bautista

Encarnacion

Reyes

Rasmus

Dickey

Morrow

Buehrle

Melky

Lind

Navarro

McGowan

Happ

Cecil

Delabar

Janssen

Santos

Rogers

If things go south all of these guys could easily be traded to bring back pieces for a "rebuild" if you will. The only one I'd think about keeping if we were gonna go that route is Colby Rasmus. All the rest could definitely be traded and bring back a huge haul to help set us up nicely for the future.

I just can't see a fire sale ever happening but you just never know. Man this season could go so many f***ing ways haha. Should be interesting.

Ziggyy108 · March 5, 2014

Well he was chosen as an all star so thats some recognition and really other GMs will take notice of EEs wicked K/BB ratio stats like that are hard to be fluked because its a measure of discipline which remains relatively stable (Hes only reached 100ks once in in his career in 2007). I think EE is legit and the only decline I expect is the one that naturally comes with age. That being said I trade him now and JB for the moon because we DO NOT have a team that can legitimately compete in the AL east never-mind the world series.

I think EE is gonna have a monster year. I remember thinking so many times last year that no one I watched hit more loooong fly ball outs the Edwin. He had a really s***** start to the year too with a bunch of bad luck.

Chappy · March 5, 2014

Realistically, I can't see this team ever going the route of a full blown rebuild within the next few years, more likely a retool, but in a very cost conservative way. It can work if the right guys are traded off at the right time.

TheHurl · March 5, 2014

This statement is completely false. Jays sold WAY more tickets last year than many years before

I don't know how the numbers translate at all but is 440,000 tickets worth $42,000,000 in bottom line ($90+ per ticket)? Ratings weren't up that much or at all. I'm guessing that Sportsnet may have done okay to sell advertising based on projected numbers (remember when they said they wouldn't be surprised if viewers doubled). I highly doubt the difference in the Jays bottom line was huge considering what it did for expectations (including expectations that the Jays will sustain a top 10 payroll)

TheHurl · March 5, 2014

Why didn't they increase payroll after 2010 when they won 85 games? Or after 2011 when they won 81 and with Darvish/Cespedes available?

Why did they wait until after 2012 when they won 73 games and had as many injury and performance question marks as they did?

Because Rogers was taking a s***-kicking from the fans and media as all blame was shifted on not spending. I know that they asked AA to be more public partially for this reason, I think it's very possible that the spending was a factor in this too.

Stangstag · March 5, 2014

I don't know how the numbers translate at all but is 440,000 tickets worth $42,000,000 in bottom line ($90+ per ticket)? Ratings weren't up that much or at all. I'm guessing that Sportsnet may have done okay to sell advertising based on projected numbers (remember when they said they wouldn't be surprised if viewers doubled). I highly doubt the difference in the Jays bottom line was huge considering what it did for expectations (including expectations that the Jays will sustain a top 10 payroll)

Add to that food and beer earnings, and yes, it is worth much more than the 42 million that would be shaved off the payroll.

z3r0s · March 5, 2014

Realistically, I can't see this team ever going the route of a full blown rebuild within the next few years, more likely a retool, but in a very cost conservative way. It can work if the right guys are traded off at the right time.

If you go the route of trading our talent with an eye on retooling I don't think we have to go "full rebuild" in our case.

Bautista and Edwin get you a premium MLB ready prospect and likely a very good prospect (or maybe two). There contracts alone are quite valuable.

Reyes probably gets you a premium MLB ready prospect and a lesser prospect. Not that much surplus in his contract, but he is a name and will produce good WAR at a premium position in the short term.

Dickey should be able to get you a nice return with pedigree and a dirt cheap contract. 200IP lock and Cy Young upside.

Rasmus and Melky are rentals, but can certainly net you some talent (not MLB ready blue chippers, but talent).

Trade the whole BP for whatever. Maybe keep some of the controllable guys if the return isn't right.

Trade those guys this year and you have a nice base of young MLB ready talent. Use the money you saved to sign a few good FA's to compliment the young guys. Front load their contracts so you can extend the above noted prospects.

If you pick the right prospects and sign the correct FA's you can be back to the level of this team (or better) in a couple of years with a much better long term outlook.

CHRIS · March 5, 2014

If you go the route of trading our talent with an eye on retooling I don't think we have to go "full rebuild" in our case.

I guess the main concern I would have with a large-scale retooling is that the same guys that inefficiently assembled the current team would be in control of identifying the return players in any deal. Yes, in theory we have a lot of guys that we could deal for a decent return, but do you trust the AA/Beeston regime to target the appropriate guys? I sure don't.

Olerud363 · March 5, 2014

Out of curiosity, do you guys think EE is as highly regarded around the league as he is by the saber community? I think it's a pretty common theme here that we all view him as "elite", but do the rest of the league's front offices too (save for Tampa).

Not only that, but when do we expect to see an EE decline? Someone like JFaS should be able to answer this accurately. If we could infuse the ML roster with young, ML ready talent, does it make sense to keep EE around to DH?

Disclaimer: I know there are many variables such as he theoretically should bring in the biggest haul (if he's valued correctly across the league), that he might be looking for his big pay day, etc. Just trying to get a feel for everyone else's opinions.

He is allready in his decline phase. I think the concensus is that he's hit into a bit of bad luck the last couple of years. Based on k-rate he should of hit .300. So the two factors may cancel out. He'll lose a little as he gets into his 30s but might have better luck as well.

KingKat · March 5, 2014

Predicting decline phases is extremely hard. I doubt there's a tried and true method. Everyone ages differently in the first place and with performance enhancing drugs it's gotten even more complex. David Ortiz looked stick a fork in him done about four years ago and he's still going strong. He's defying age patterns pretty dramatically. He probably has the most supicious career ark of any current player but the truth is we have no idea how many players use drugs to cheat aging. Not knowing leaves us almost completely in the dark when it comes to predicting decline phases. What may seem like the beginning of a player's decline (Ortiz, a few years back) often turns out to just be a temporary downturn.

Abomination · March 5, 2014

Predicting decline phases is extremely hard. I doubt there's a tried and true method. Everyone ages differently in the first place and with performance enhancing drugs it's gotten even more complex. David Ortiz looked stick a fork in him done about four years ago and he's still going strong. He's defying age patterns pretty dramatically. He probably has the most supicious career ark of any current player but the truth is we have no idea how many players use drugs to cheat aging. Not knowing leaves us almost completely in the dark when it comes to predicting decline phases. What may seem like the beginning of a player's decline (Ortiz, a few years back) often turns out to just be a temporary downturn.

It seems like speed is in general the largest factor in decline for position players (although at some point players also lose bat speed). Guys like Ortiz don't get any value contribution from their wheels anyway.

Stangstag · March 5, 2014

For this to work, change all ( and ) to [ and ]

(table)
(tr)(td)Year (/td)(td) 2013 (/td)(td)2012(/td)(td) 2011(/td)(td)2010 (/td)(td) 2009 (/td)(/tr)
(tr)(td)Ticket Price(/td)(td)32.98(/td)(td)24.81(/td)(td) 24.35(/td)(td)23.84 (/td)(td)19.10 (/td)(/tr)
(tr)(td)Cost of Attendance(/td)(td)63.55(/td)(td)54.2225(/td)(td)53.17(/td)(td)53.04(/td)(td)41.5975 (/td)(/tr)
(tr)(td)Attendance(/td)(td)2,536,562(/td)(td)2,099,663.(/td)(td)1,818,103(/td)(td)1,495,482(/td)(td)1,876,129 (/td)(/tr)
(tr)(td)Cash Payroll(/td)(td)119,277,800(/td)(td) 83,739,200(/td)(td)70,567,800(/td)(td)78,689, 357(/td)(td)80,538,300 (/td)(/tr)
(/table)

[table]
[tr][td]Ticket Rev[/td][td]83,655,814.76[/td][td]52,092,639.03[/td][td]44,270,808.05[/td][td]5,652,290.88[/td][td]35,834, 063.90[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Ticket Profit[/td][td](35,621,985.24)[/td][td](31,646,560.9 7)[/td][td](26,296,991.95)[/td][td](43,037,066.12)[/td][td](44,704,236.10)[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Cost of Atten Rev[/td][td]161,198,515.10[/td][td]113,848,977.02[/td][td]96,668,536.51[/td][td]79,320,365.28[/td][td]78,042,276 .08 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Cost of Atten Profit[/td][td]41,920,715.10[/td][td]30,109,777.02[/td][td]26,100,736.51[/td][td]631,008.28[/td][td](2,496,023 .92)[/td][/tr] [/table]

Wtf is this...

KingKat · March 5, 2014

It seems like speed is in general the largest factor in decline for position players (although at some point players also lose bat speed). Guys like Ortiz don't get any value contribution from their wheels anyway.

I think a better argument for why Ortiz wouldn't be declining is that he became a full time DH relatively young and that has given his body a bit of a break because at his age he really should have lost some bat speed in addition to everything else.

Abomination · March 5, 2014

I think a better argument for why Ortiz wouldn't be declining is that he became a full time DH relatively young and that has given his body a bit of a break because at his age he really should have lost some bat speed in addition to everything else.

He probably has, but on the flip side if I remember right players tend to increase their walk rate and decrease their strikeout rate as they age as well.

KingKat · March 6, 2014

Hutch for the home opener. It's gotta happen.

Boxcar · March 6, 2014

I THEENK GOENZ CULD BE A THREE HAWNDRED HITUR!!!!i11!!

Abomination · March 6, 2014

What age are we talking about here, as vets age they lose bat speed and that just balloons those numbers?

I posted a chart before, but here's the raw data (this was just a spreadsheet test of some vba code, which is why it's so raw). I believe JFaS found something similar. The sample size is a little small on the tail ends, but like I said it was just a quick dirty test that was unusually interesting to look at.

[TABLE=class: grid, width: 1152]

[TR]

[TD=width: 64, align: center]Age

[/TD]

[TD=width: 64, align: center]Games[/TD]

[TD=width: 64, align: center]PA[/TD]

[TD=width: 64, align: center]AB[/TD]

[TD=width: 64, align: center]R[/TD]

[TD=width: 64, align: center]H[/TD]

[TD=width: 64, align: center]1B[/TD]

[TD=width: 64, align: center]2B[/TD]

[TD=width: 64, align: center]3B[/TD]

[TD=width: 64, align: center]HR[/TD]

[TD=width: 64, align: center]RBI[/TD]

[TD=width: 64, align: center]SB[/TD]

[TD=width: 64, align: center]BB[/TD]

[TD=width: 64, align: center]SO[/TD]

[TD=width: 64, align: center]HBP[/TD]

[TD=width: 64, align: center]SF[/TD]

[TD=width: 64, align: center]IFH[/TD]

[TD=width: 64, align: center]Sample[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]18

[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]1[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]19[/TD]

[TD=align: right]139[/TD]

[TD=align: right]597[/TD]

[TD=align: right]533[/TD]

[TD=align: right]98[/TD]

[TD=align: right]144[/TD]

[TD=align: right]87[/TD]

[TD=align: right]26.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]9.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]22.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]59[/TD]

[TD=align: right]18.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]56[/TD]

[TD=align: right]120[/TD]

[TD=align: right]2.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]3.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]13.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]1[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]20[/TD]

[TD=align: right]141[/TD]

[TD=align: right]604[/TD]

[TD=align: right]538[/TD]

[TD=align: right]85[/TD]

[TD=align: right]156[/TD]

[TD=align: right]105[/TD]

[TD=align: right]31.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5.8[/TD]

[TD=align: right]14.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]61[/TD]

[TD=align: right]21.8[/TD]

[TD=align: right]51[/TD]

[TD=align: right]106[/TD]

[TD=align: right]6.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]3.8[/TD]

[TD=align: right]17.4[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]21[/TD]

[TD=align: right]150[/TD]

[TD=align: right]647[/TD]

[TD=align: right]583[/TD]

[TD=align: right]83[/TD]

[TD=align: right]168[/TD]

[TD=align: right]116[/TD]

[TD=align: right]30.8[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.5[/TD]

[TD=align: right]17.4[/TD]

[TD=align: right]79[/TD]

[TD=align: right]19.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]53[/TD]

[TD=align: right]118[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.3[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.7[/TD]

[TD=align: right]18.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]13[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]22[/TD]

[TD=align: right]145[/TD]

[TD=align: right]606[/TD]

[TD=align: right]550[/TD]

[TD=align: right]80[/TD]

[TD=align: right]154[/TD]

[TD=align: right]103[/TD]

[TD=align: right]29.5[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]16.8[/TD]

[TD=align: right]70[/TD]

[TD=align: right]14.7[/TD]

[TD=align: right]44[/TD]

[TD=align: right]104[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.8[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]15.4[/TD]

[TD=align: right]39[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]23[/TD]

[TD=align: right]148[/TD]

[TD=align: right]618[/TD]

[TD=align: right]557[/TD]

[TD=align: right]80[/TD]

[TD=align: right]157[/TD]

[TD=align: right]103[/TD]

[TD=align: right]32.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.1[/TD]

[TD=align: right]17.8[/TD]

[TD=align: right]73[/TD]

[TD=align: right]14.4[/TD]

[TD=align: right]49[/TD]

[TD=align: right]103[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5.5[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.3[/TD]

[TD=align: right]13.7[/TD]

[TD=align: right]58[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]24[/TD]

[TD=align: right]148[/TD]

[TD=align: right]613[/TD]

[TD=align: right]547[/TD]

[TD=align: right]80[/TD]

[TD=align: right]151[/TD]

[TD=align: right]99[/TD]

[TD=align: right]30.5[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]17.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]71[/TD]

[TD=align: right]14.3[/TD]

[TD=align: right]53[/TD]

[TD=align: right]105[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5.3[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.4[/TD]

[TD=align: right]13.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]92[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]25[/TD]

[TD=align: right]147[/TD]

[TD=align: right]609[/TD]

[TD=align: right]544[/TD]

[TD=align: right]79[/TD]

[TD=align: right]151[/TD]

[TD=align: right]96[/TD]

[TD=align: right]31.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]3.9[/TD]

[TD=align: right]19.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]76[/TD]

[TD=align: right]12.1[/TD]

[TD=align: right]53[/TD]

[TD=align: right]102[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5.1[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.5[/TD]

[TD=align: right]12.3[/TD]

[TD=align: right]137[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]26[/TD]

[TD=align: right]148[/TD]

[TD=align: right]618[/TD]

[TD=align: right]551[/TD]

[TD=align: right]81[/TD]

[TD=align: right]154[/TD]

[TD=align: right]100[/TD]

[TD=align: right]31.1[/TD]

[TD=align: right]3.7[/TD]

[TD=align: right]18.9[/TD]

[TD=align: right]74[/TD]

[TD=align: right]13.1[/TD]

[TD=align: right]54[/TD]

[TD=align: right]104[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5.3[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.5[/TD]

[TD=align: right]12.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]156[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]27[/TD]

[TD=align: right]147[/TD]

[TD=align: right]616[/TD]

[TD=align: right]549[/TD]

[TD=align: right]81[/TD]

[TD=align: right]152[/TD]

[TD=align: right]97[/TD]

[TD=align: right]31.3[/TD]

[TD=align: right]3.4[/TD]

[TD=align: right]20.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]78[/TD]

[TD=align: right]12.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]54[/TD]

[TD=align: right]102[/TD]

[TD=align: right]6.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.9[/TD]

[TD=align: right]12.4[/TD]

[TD=align: right]172[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]28[/TD]

[TD=align: right]146[/TD]

[TD=align: right]611[/TD]

[TD=align: right]543[/TD]

[TD=align: right]80[/TD]

[TD=align: right]153[/TD]

[TD=align: right]99[/TD]

[TD=align: right]31.3[/TD]

[TD=align: right]3.4[/TD]

[TD=align: right]19.1[/TD]

[TD=align: right]77[/TD]

[TD=align: right]11.6[/TD]

[TD=align: right]56[/TD]

[TD=align: right]99[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5.5[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.6[/TD]

[TD=align: right]12.1[/TD]

[TD=align: right]158[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]29[/TD]

[TD=align: right]148[/TD]

[TD=align: right]623[/TD]

[TD=align: right]552[/TD]

[TD=align: right]83[/TD]

[TD=align: right]156[/TD]

[TD=align: right]101[/TD]

[TD=align: right]31.6[/TD]

[TD=align: right]3.1[/TD]

[TD=align: right]20.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]79[/TD]

[TD=align: right]11.4[/TD]

[TD=align: right]57[/TD]

[TD=align: right]98[/TD]

[TD=align: right]6.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.8[/TD]

[TD=align: right]12.5[/TD]

[TD=align: right]164[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]30[/TD]

[TD=align: right]147[/TD]

[TD=align: right]614[/TD]

[TD=align: right]543[/TD]

[TD=align: right]82[/TD]

[TD=align: right]151[/TD]

[TD=align: right]97[/TD]

[TD=align: right]31.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]2.8[/TD]

[TD=align: right]20.6[/TD]

[TD=align: right]80[/TD]

[TD=align: right]10.3[/TD]

[TD=align: right]58[/TD]

[TD=align: right]99[/TD]

[TD=align: right]6.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.5[/TD]

[TD=align: right]11.7[/TD]

[TD=align: right]146[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]31[/TD]

[TD=align: right]146[/TD]

[TD=align: right]616[/TD]

[TD=align: right]547[/TD]

[TD=align: right]82[/TD]

[TD=align: right]154[/TD]

[TD=align: right]99[/TD]

[TD=align: right]32.4[/TD]

[TD=align: right]2.6[/TD]

[TD=align: right]20.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]79[/TD]

[TD=align: right]9.4[/TD]

[TD=align: right]56[/TD]

[TD=align: right]96[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5.8[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]12.1[/TD]

[TD=align: right]121[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]32[/TD]

[TD=align: right]143[/TD]

[TD=align: right]601[/TD]

[TD=align: right]531[/TD]

[TD=align: right]78[/TD]

[TD=align: right]147[/TD]

[TD=align: right]96[/TD]

[TD=align: right]29.9[/TD]

[TD=align: right]2.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]19.1[/TD]

[TD=align: right]76[/TD]

[TD=align: right]9.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]56[/TD]

[TD=align: right]93[/TD]

[TD=align: right]6.3[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]11.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]107[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]33[/TD]

[TD=align: right]144[/TD]

[TD=align: right]601[/TD]

[TD=align: right]531[/TD]

[TD=align: right]78[/TD]

[TD=align: right]148[/TD]

[TD=align: right]97[/TD]

[TD=align: right]29.3[/TD]

[TD=align: right]2.3[/TD]

[TD=align: right]19.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]76[/TD]

[TD=align: right]7.5[/TD]

[TD=align: right]58[/TD]

[TD=align: right]94[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5.4[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.9[/TD]

[TD=align: right]10.8[/TD]

[TD=align: right]83[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]34[/TD]

[TD=align: right]144[/TD]

[TD=align: right]602[/TD]

[TD=align: right]534[/TD]

[TD=align: right]76[/TD]

[TD=align: right]149[/TD]

[TD=align: right]100[/TD]

[TD=align: right]29.4[/TD]

[TD=align: right]2.5[/TD]

[TD=align: right]17.8[/TD]

[TD=align: right]75[/TD]

[TD=align: right]7.8[/TD]

[TD=align: right]55[/TD]

[TD=align: right]89[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.9[/TD]

[TD=align: right]11.7[/TD]

[TD=align: right]79[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]35[/TD]

[TD=align: right]142[/TD]

[TD=align: right]590[/TD]

[TD=align: right]519[/TD]

[TD=align: right]76[/TD]

[TD=align: right]146[/TD]

[TD=align: right]94[/TD]

[TD=align: right]29.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]1.9[/TD]

[TD=align: right]20.5[/TD]

[TD=align: right]79[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5.4[/TD]

[TD=align: right]60[/TD]

[TD=align: right]91[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.8[/TD]

[TD=align: right]10.7[/TD]

[TD=align: right]61[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]36[/TD]

[TD=align: right]145[/TD]

[TD=align: right]607[/TD]

[TD=align: right]540[/TD]

[TD=align: right]77[/TD]

[TD=align: right]151[/TD]

[TD=align: right]101[/TD]

[TD=align: right]28.9[/TD]

[TD=align: right]2.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]19.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]77[/TD]

[TD=align: right]7.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]56[/TD]

[TD=align: right]91[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5.3[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.5[/TD]

[TD=align: right]11.9[/TD]

[TD=align: right]42[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]37[/TD]

[TD=align: right]144[/TD]

[TD=align: right]607[/TD]

[TD=align: right]536[/TD]

[TD=align: right]76[/TD]

[TD=align: right]147[/TD]

[TD=align: right]98[/TD]

[TD=align: right]28.9[/TD]

[TD=align: right]2.1[/TD]

[TD=align: right]18.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]73[/TD]

[TD=align: right]7.7[/TD]

[TD=align: right]58[/TD]

[TD=align: right]89[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5.1[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5.4[/TD]

[TD=align: right]11.4[/TD]

[TD=align: right]27[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]38[/TD]

[TD=align: right]147[/TD]

[TD=align: right]621[/TD]

[TD=align: right]541[/TD]

[TD=align: right]83[/TD]

[TD=align: right]151[/TD]

[TD=align: right]100[/TD]

[TD=align: right]28.9[/TD]

[TD=align: right]2.4[/TD]

[TD=align: right]20.3[/TD]

[TD=align: right]74[/TD]

[TD=align: right]9.5[/TD]

[TD=align: right]67[/TD]

[TD=align: right]77[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5.6[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]13.1[/TD]

[TD=align: right]14[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]39[/TD]

[TD=align: right]146[/TD]

[TD=align: right]597[/TD]

[TD=align: right]516[/TD]

[TD=align: right]78[/TD]

[TD=align: right]144[/TD]

[TD=align: right]94[/TD]

[TD=align: right]27.4[/TD]

[TD=align: right]2.9[/TD]

[TD=align: right]20.3[/TD]

[TD=align: right]74[/TD]

[TD=align: right]9.6[/TD]

[TD=align: right]68[/TD]

[TD=align: right]69[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.8[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.6[/TD]

[TD=align: right]11.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]12[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]40[/TD]

[TD=align: right]143[/TD]

[TD=align: right]577[/TD]

[TD=align: right]507[/TD]

[TD=align: right]69[/TD]

[TD=align: right]137[/TD]

[TD=align: right]95[/TD]

[TD=align: right]25.4[/TD]

[TD=align: right]2.6[/TD]

[TD=align: right]13.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]63[/TD]

[TD=align: right]8.6[/TD]

[TD=align: right]54[/TD]

[TD=align: right]69[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.6[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]11.4[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]41[/TD]

[TD=align: right]141[/TD]

[TD=align: right]552[/TD]

[TD=align: right]502[/TD]

[TD=align: right]57[/TD]

[TD=align: right]129[/TD]

[TD=align: right]90[/TD]

[TD=align: right]27.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]1.5[/TD]

[TD=align: right]11.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]57[/TD]

[TD=align: right]2.5[/TD]

[TD=align: right]41[/TD]

[TD=align: right]110[/TD]

[TD=align: right]2.5[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]9.5[/TD]

[TD=align: right]2[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]42[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]1[/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

Abomination · March 6, 2014

Yep SO improve and BBs improve as players get older, but speed declines hard from 24 and power declines after 29.

From my admittedly smaller sample, it actually seems like power as a whole may decline, but not home runs. The decline comes from doubles and especially triples (probably related to the decline in speed).

JaysAllMighty · March 7, 2014

Or because Alex is a sucker for the big names.

More like for players who were first round picks.

Sign In

Dickey: "We need to make this work or it could all get blown up"

Recommended Posts

Create an account or sign in to comment

Create an account

Sign in

Member Statistics

Prospect News & Highlights

Recent News

Notes & Rumors

Recent Blog Entries

Recent Status Updates