Arod suspended 162 games

[G-Snarls]

How long before Tanaka is a Yankee?

 

Cashman wrote out the $140M and $20M cheques while you typed that

[DuckDuckGose]

I know one of the other claims was that A-Rod was recruiting guys for the clinic. That isnt the norm case

 

I think lying like most of them do is natural and you give them that. I think A-Roda went a bit farther though

 

Ya, ARod tried to bribe a guy to not release info on him during a federal investigation. That's a lot worse than making an obviously fake website.

[DuckDuckGose]

And you don't think others "recruit"? Lol. The ball players are all in on this. Canseco isn't the most trustworthy man, but just take a listen to what he said on this issue when he came out with it. At least he had the balls to straight out admit he was a roidhead. It's odd how this was announced right before the Tanaka deadline approaches. You can't convince me that this wasn't a favor. Selig is an embarrassment.

 

If he was getting a monetary kickback it would be far outside the norm.

[DuckDuckGose]

Yeah nothing that's been released says he deserves more than Braun got

 

The issue here is the lack of info that has been released, not the suspension.

[Angrioter]

ARod 162 games

50 - first ban

112 - Selig factor

[KingKat]

f***.

 

I think it's safe to assume there will be 3 teams that "won't be outbid" for Tanaka now.

 

Not necessarily. The Yankees may have already commited this money. They've had a big offseason. It seems like their plans was to not get caught with their pants down if Tanaka wasn't posted. I'm not so sure they're still in it.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

it goes beyond that. It's also about an opiate of the masses effect. Fans hate drugs, fans hate A-Rod...being against A-Rod is good for baseball.

 

 

 

will the average fan and mainstream media see (or report) it that way?

 

Actually you're right. Most of the casual's are probably stoked to see Arod get suspended.

[G-Snarls]

The issue here is the lack of info that has been released, not the suspension.

 

Exactly. What does MLB and the arbitrator know that we don't??? There HAS to be something significant.

[z3r0s]

Exactly. What does MLB and the arbitrator know that we don't??? There HAS to be something significant.

 

He knows the last arbitrator to go against the MLB ruling (Braun) got fired rather quickly

[G-Snarls]

He knows the last arbitrator to go against the MLB ruling (Braun) got fired rather quickly

 

LOL. True dat! Haha

[G-Snarls]

[John_Havok]

This has been the topic on mlb radio on Sirius since the story broke for obvious reasons, they've already had multiple legal sources checked since A-rod is saying he will take the case to federal court. According to federal arbitration laws, when there's a third party arbitration process that both parties have agreed to, that decision is only reviewable for pretty serious reasons, like the arbitrator being suspected or proven of being corrupted by one side. That's only one of the list of reasons, but it sounded to me like the legal guys thought Arod would try yo challenge it based on providing a decision that isn't within the scope of his ability, basically saying there's no basis for a 162 games suspension in the joint drug or mlbpa basic agreement

[Nox]

So when does the public burning at the stake occur? Is Bud planning on televising the event? Perhaps a nice launch event for MLB Network Canada.

[John_Havok]

In a statement released Saturday morning, before MLB announced the decision by an independent arbitrator, Rodriguez said, "I will take this fight to federal court."

 

The statement read, in part, "This is one man's decision, that was not put before a fair and impartial jury, does not involve me having failed a single drug test, is at odds with the facts and is inconsistent with the terms of the Joint Drug Agreement and the Basic Agreement and relies on testimony and documents that would never have been allowed in any court in the United States…"

 

The statement also said, "This injustice is MLB's first step toward abolishing guaranteed contracts in the 2016 bargaining round, instituting lifetime bans for single violations of drug policy, and further insulating its corrupt investigative program from any variety defense by accused players."

[G-Snarls]

The implications of this are substantial

 

Love these tweets

 

 

[John_Havok]

The legal guys were saying that if federal court agrees to hear the case, A-rod could get the suspension to be wiped out while the case is being heard, allowing him to okay. The real question is whether or not federal court agrees to hear the case

[BlueJayWay]

What a soap opera.

[John_Havok]

There's a group of fans who dislike PED use, generally and/or ARod, specifically, to such a degree that they'll believe this is the least the league should do to punish ARod.

 

There's a group of fans who dislike Selig and/or the Yankees so much that they'll rationalize away any potential differentiating factors in ARod's case (and we've seen this repeatedly in this thread).

 

And then there's a group of fans who acknowledge that they don't know all the facts, don't have the sense of entitlement that they need/deserve all the facts right now and, thus, will withhold judgement on the appropriateness of these actions.

 

I'm between group 2 and 3. I realize I don't know the facts, but I know enough to know that the two parties who are clear winners are the Yankees and Selig's ego. This makes me feel there is probably way more to this story than a simple drug and obstruction offense when there's so much for the Yankees to to gain to have Arod go away and not have to pay him the contract they signed him to, even if it is just for 1 year. This alone would save them over 50 million dollars once you take the savings of his contract and the penalties for being over the luxury tax. Don't tell me they don't have a vested interest. Follow the money

[GD]

Sitting here refreshing fangraphs waiting for Wendy Thurm to post some fantastic article as usual.

[GeorgiaPeach]

A few extra games for trying to bribe witnesses and purchase evidence.

 

Shouldn't it be a wash since MLB did what you were saying AROD tried to do?

[GeorgiaPeach]

Curious how they justified that on a first offense

 

[connorp]

Shouldn't it be a wash since MLB did what you were saying AROD tried to do?

 

Yeah im pretty sure thats what A-Rod was alluding to when he mentioned their witnesses and evidence not holding up in real court

[TheHurl]

As it stands, because it's 162 games and not a full season (183 days..don't ask me the difference) the Yankees still have $3.15M cap hit for A-Rod. Edited January 11, 2014 by TheHurl

[GeorgiaPeach]

it goes beyond that. It's also about an opiate of the masses effect. Fans hate drugs, fans hate A-Rod...being against A-Rod is good for baseball.

 

But its okay for the same fans to illegal drugs them at some point in their life.

[connorp]

As it stands, because it's 162 games and not a full season (183 days..don't ask me the difference) the Yankees still have $3.15 cap hit for A-Rod.

 

Sounds like 183 is the real days?..and 162 is games played..so A-Rod still counts on the off days?

[woods of ypres]

Didn't Arod try to obscure justice, or something? Isn't that why his suspension is longer?

[TheHurl]

But its okay for the same fans to illegal drugs them at some point in their life.

 

Should have said in general illegal drugs are viewed as bad (even if the legal ones have more harm than most of the illegal ones) and governments/sports orgs use this to their advantage. In my study 1 out of 300 thought anabolic steroids should be legal which was the same amount that thought cocaine and heroin should be legal. It was just under 50% thought marijuana should be legalized and 9 out of 300 thought alcohol should be illegal. There was a further study done without naming the drugs just the stats, positives and side effects. Only 7 (out of 150) people thought steroids should be illegal in this case. More people thought Vitamin D should be banned in this study. It's only a college study, and I like to think I was pretty informed before, but that class opened my eyes.

[TheHurl]

Didn't Arod try to obscure justice, or something? Isn't that why his suspension is longer?

 

that's the word out there (although obstruct not obscure), technically so did Melky though. So did Braun and he still only got 65 games. MLB wants those that get implicated to say "I did it and won't ever do it again"

[DuckDuckGose]

Shouldn't it be a wash since MLB did what you were saying AROD tried to do?

 

MLB has tasked itself with catching PED users, and the MLBPA has agreed to let them regulate banned substance use in the game. If it was collectively bargained you'd have a leg to stand on but that isn't the case.

[woods of ypres]

Wasn't there was rumour that Arod tried to buy all the documents to destroy them?