Kevin Seitzer worked with our starter 2B Ryan Goins on his swing

[TBJ12]

 

..........and here we go again; PULL DAT BALL 2,0?

 

Anyone who believes this should listen to the interview z3r0s posted a link to above.

[connorp]

One could say RG has a .650 OPS floor at the ml level..

 

And they still might go down in infamy like the one who claimed Cooper had an .800 OPS floor

[Sorrow]

I really liked the Seitzer interview. He doesn't seem to believe in pulling the ball because it leads to you cheating the zone and striking out because you aren't able to protect the outside.

 

I like how he wants everyone to feel like they're both a lead off hitter and a clean up hitter depending on the count/outs/area of batting order/runners on base. It's a nice breath of fresh air to be quite honest.

[flafson]

I guess his first task that AA put on his shoulders was to get something out of Goins, we should all hold our hands together and hope.

 

*ducks* On a serious note, i think Goins got some fundamentals to work with so i'm hopeful. *ducks*

[KingKat]

I would much rather Seitzer spend the bulk of his time trying to tap in to whatever untapped potential Lawrie might still have than trying to find potential in Goins.

[DuckDuckGose]

I really liked the Seitzer interview. He doesn't seem to believe in pulling the ball because it leads to you cheating the zone and striking out because you aren't able to protect the outside.

 

I like how he wants everyone to feel like they're both a lead off hitter and a clean up hitter depending on the count/outs/area of batting order/runners on base. It's a nice breath of fresh air to be quite honest.

 

Finally a hitting coach that believes using the big parts of the field.

[DuckDuckGose]

I would much rather Seitzer spend the bulk of his time trying to tap in to whatever untapped potential Lawrie might still have than trying to find potential in Goins.

 

Good point KK, didn't think of it that way until you mentioned it but me too

[G-Snarls]

I really liked the Seitzer interview. He doesn't seem to believe in pulling the ball because it leads to you cheating the zone and striking out because you aren't able to protect the outside.

 

I like how he wants everyone to feel like they're both a lead off hitter and a clean up hitter depending on the count/outs/area of batting order/runners on base. It's a nice breath of fresh air to be quite honest.

 

Fingers crossed but I like the sounds of this guy

[G-Snarls]

I would much rather Seitzer spend the bulk of his time trying to tap in to whatever untapped potential Lawrie might still have than trying to find potential in Goins.

 

Surely he can do both (though I agree Lawrie has the most untapped hitting potential on the team)

[Olerud363]

I liked the way he talked about his work with Gordon. Makes me wonder what he might have been able to do with Snider.

 

Well as others have mentioned there's still time for him to work with Lawrie. If he could "Alex Gordon" Lawrie it would be great. Half that battle will be keeping him heathy.

 

Lawrie isn't that far from Gordon hitting wise. Just a little more consistency and a lot more health and he is there.

[SAAviour]

I would much rather Seitzer spend the bulk of his time trying to tap in to whatever untapped potential Lawrie might still have than trying to find potential in Goins.

 

Lawrie didn't jump at the opportunity to be put up by Seitzer like Goins did. Not Seitzers fault.

[JaysAllMighty]

So why are so many down on Goins?

 

He's still so young and his stats in the minors are not that awful . Specially with Seitzer now in the mix.

[SAAviour]

He is turning 26 soon, that unfortunately is getting old.

[ReturnOfTheYeti]

He is turning 26 soon, that unfortunately is getting old.

Yeah, that should be pretty much "prime of career" territory for a player, not someone just breaking in.

[G-Snarls]

Yeah, that should be pretty much "prime of career" territory for a player, not someone just breaking in.

 

Yep. Not holding my breath. But the defense looks SO good I think it's worth putting some effort in to the bat.

[TheHurl]

We have a slick fielding middle infielder in the org for 5 years, and now a batting coach spends 3 days with him.

[Abomination]

We have a slick fielding middle infielder in the org for 5 years, and now a batting coach spends 3 days with him.

 

Hurl, did you get my PM?

[TheHurl]

Hurl, did you get my PM?

 

Yeah I'll respond now. I shouldn't check these things in class.

[flafson]

We have a slick fielding middle infielder in the org for 5 years, and now a batting coach spends 3 days with him.

 

We also suck at developing talent so you never know.

[gruber92]

Yeah, that should be pretty much "prime of career" territory for a player, not someone just breaking in.

 

FYI, a player's prime years are from ages 28-32, not turning 26 soon.

[John_Havok]

FYI, a player's prime years are from ages 28-32, not turning 26 soon.

 

For hitters:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/hitters-no-longer-peak-only-decline/

[ILDD]

For hitters:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/hitters-no-longer-peak-only-decline/

 

That's a superb read, thanks!

[ILDD]

ILDD = I Love Duck Dynasty?

 

Ha! Nope, from the first girl I saw on TV that I fell in love with, Daisy Duke

 

[The_DH]

Mine was Marcia Brady.

[gruber92]

For hitters:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/hitters-no-longer-peak-only-decline/

 

Meh,i think those curves are whacked. Are they seriously telling us that in the past seven years a player enters the MLB at age 21 and then declines every year after that?

That's f***ing impossible. Generally,men are at their physical and mental peaks between 28-32, but i'm not saying these aging curves are totally inaccurate. Very strange..

[GD]

Generally,men are at their physical and mental peaks between 28-32, but i'm not saying these aging curves are totally inaccurate. Very strange..

 

Keep in mind that generally, men haven't been trained like these athletes. To put a narrative on it, the constant training from ages 11-40 (little league to end of career or whatever) probably affects their development as opposed to living a normal life.

[gruber92]

Keep in mind that generally, men haven't been trained like these athletes. To put a narrative on it, the constant training from ages 11-40 (little league to end of career or whatever) probably affects their development as opposed to living a normal life.

 

Yeah that makes sense, but one would figure a player's overall IQ would peak between 28-32,and when you add the physical strength to the mix it would make sense that they would peak in their late twenties. The training aspect you describe does accelerate their physical capabilities for sure.

[DuckDuckGose]

Meh,i think those curves are whacked. Are they seriously telling us that in the past seven years a player enters the MLB at age 21 and then declines every year after that?

That's f***ing impossible. Generally,men are at their physical and mental peaks between 28-32, but i'm not saying these aging curves are totally inaccurate. Very strange..

 

It's more saying that athletes peak earlier. When you've peaked you can only maintain that current play or decline. If you look at the wRC+ curve you'll see that the plateau extends to the age 25-26yo seasons as they always have.

[Abomination]

Yeah that makes sense, but one would figure a player's overall IQ would peak between 28-32,and when you add the physical strength to the mix it would make sense that they would peak in their late twenties. The training aspect you describe does accelerate their physical capabilities for sure.

 

I suspect it has more to do with the analytics available now. When the players first come up, people have to discover their weaknesses and counter any adjustments the player makes. After two years or so, the player is likely to be unable or unwilling to make further adjustments (maybe minor tweaks), so the book on how to attack them grows while their ability to adapt to the changes often doesn't. Add to that a general reduction in speed as the player finishes filling out, and an early peak makes some sense.

 

The early decline may not be from degradation of skill, other than a little speed, but from the adjustments being made by the pitchers.

[Abomination]

Batters not adjusting to pitching are being stupid and lazy, these changes strategicly should always be evolving. Just saying....

 

I think at some point the batter either has to completely overhaul their swing (which most wouldn't do if they're successful), or has to just live with it. You can make tweaks and adjust the mental approach, but that's about it.

 

I don't know if it's true or not, I'm just thinking out loud.