The one and only Masahiro Tanaka posting and bidding thread

[jays4life19]

If I immigrated to somewhere in Asia, and Mike Trout/Clayton Kershaw just signed a contract in the NPB, I would buy tickets to see them play.

 

If I immigrated to TO from Asia, and Tanaka was signed by the Jays, I would buy tickets to see him play.

 

lol you refer to Asia like it's a Country. No Chinese, Korean, ect are going to give a s*** about a Japanese baseball player.

[TheHurl]

lol you refer to Asia like it's a Country. No Chinese, Korean, ect are going to give a s*** about a Japanese baseball player.

 

Boxy cares and his Nationality is Asian.

[kcjaysfan]

Nationality

 

http://i.imgur.com/gvDdF.gif

[connorp]

Props to xposbrad for clearing it up. I was curious on it but saw there were like 6 different versions being given but didnt feel like looking up myself. Thanks

[o2cui2i]

Some teams have already been leaked to talking to him, So, it sounds like his posting fee was set on the 24th and clubs that agree to the fee have 30 days to negotiate, makes sense. I believe there's a one week window and we'll probably hear of the teams in on him as early as tomorrow or New Years.

 

I cant imagine many teams not being "in" to at least save face with their fan base. the question will be how many teams are playing with a real hand who is bluffing.

[o2cui2i]

Ok so here are the rules

 

"The new agreement between Nippon Professional Basbeall (NPB) and the MLB features new rules. In the new posting system…

1) A NPB team must agree if they want to post one of their players between November 1st and February 1st.

2) The NPB team will make a “release fee” that teams may post to get the rights to negotiate with the player. However, the maximum “release fee” that can be requested is $20 million.

3) In the event that there is a tie on the “release fee,” then all teams will get an attempt at negotiating with the posted player with the intent of signing the player.

4) If the posted player is unable to agree to a contract with a MLB team, the “release fee” is returned to the team and the player returns to his NPB team until the following November 1st when he may formally request to be posted again."

 

 

 

how did the NPB agree to a limited release fee? they sure got screwed on that one.

[JaysAllMighty]

I have a feeling inside that tells me that we might land him... but I don't like having my hopes up just to be followed by a big crash a la Darvish.

 

AA signed a few players from Tanaka's homeland, if anyone can sell Toronto to him it will certainly be Kawasaki. He seems so happy here and with his teammates.

 

AA not saying anything about it, I think he has a chance to outsmart all the other GM's on this. He has been playing his cards for a long time on this Tanaka, a long time.

 

Just my opinion, but I have a feeling inside!

[o2cui2i]

Just my opinion, but I have a feeling inside!

 

a shot of penicillin with take that feeling away. next time use a glove

[o2cui2i]

Why? It's viable. It's up to him.

 

all any other team has to do is offer 6 years and AA is out of the running.

 

unless AA has been keeping a bankroll just for this I dont see it happening, but who knows.... maybe AA hasn't made a move this fall because he has 100M put aside to sign Tanaka and then see what needs he has after that.

[ILDD]

all any other team has to do is offer 6 years and AA is out of the running.

 

unless AA has been keeping a bankroll just for this I dont see it happening, but who knows.... maybe AA hasn't made a move this fall because he has 100M put aside to sign Tanaka and then see what needs he has after that.

 

I don't see it happening but you have to bear in mind Tanaka's age.

 

He's only 25 so a 4 or 5 year deal with high AAV would let him re-renter free agency once more at age 29/30 with 4 years experience, still young enough to get another 5 or 6 year deal worth a tonne more as average salaries will go up in the meantime. Risky but not completely out of the question.

 

For the record, I don't think the Jays are in with a chance, I think I'd rather have Jiminez & Santana for 4 years $12.5M each ($100M total) than Tanaka at 6 years $20M ($120M total). You would also "only" lose the 2nd and 3rd round picks this year but pick up a couple of sandwich round picks in 4 years time for signing Jiminez and Santana.

[jays4life19]

I don't see it happening but you have to bear in mind Tanaka's age.

 

He's only 25 so a 4 or 5 year deal with high AAV would let him re-renter free agency once more at age 29/30 with 4 years experience, still young enough to get another 5 or 6 year deal worth a tonne more as average salaries will go up in the meantime. Risky but not completely out of the question.

 

For the record, I don't think the Jays are in with a chance, I think I'd rather have Jiminez & Santana for 4 years $12.5M each ($100M total) than Tanaka at 6 years $20M ($120M total). You would also "only" lose the 2nd and 3rd round picks this year but pick up a couple of sandwich round picks in 4 years time for signing Jiminez and Santana.

 

I really really doubt Jiminez and Santana sign for 4 years and 50 mil. It's also extremely unlikely to think they both will receive QO offers at the end of their next deals.

[connorp]

I really really doubt Jiminez and Santana sign for 4 years and 50 mil. It's also

extremely unlikely to think they both will receive QO offers at the end of their next deals.

 

Jiminez will be more like 4/60 or 4/56 ay least.. I would still sign two mlb guys over Tanaka. I like Jimi but not Santana as much. Garza im not huge on either..wish they would move Sanchez++ (not Stroman) and get Shark. Shark + Jimi as FA

[jays4life19]

Jiminez will be more like 4/60 or 4/56 ay least.. I would still sign two mlb guys over Tanaka. I like Jimi but not Santana as much. Garza im not huge on either..wish they would move Sanchez++ (not Stroman) and get Shark. Shark + Jimi as FA

 

I'm not a huge fan of any of the remaining free agent with the price tags their rumored to be looking for. I think i prefer to keep both Sanchez and Stroman at this point. Since Jiminez is attached to draft pick compensation i think he's the most likley to sign for a reasonable contract. I would probably still sign Garza at this point and then find a way to trade for Ackley or Franklin. Might have a shot at playoffs with those 2 additions if we somehow stay healthy.

[GeorgiaPeach]

If I immigrated to somewhere in Asia, and Mike Trout/Clayton Kershaw just signed a contract in the NPB, I would buy tickets to see them play.

 

So you wouldn't buy tickets if no MLB players were playing?

[ILDD]

The reason I'm thinking they sign for 4/50 or so is the free-agent draft pick compensation.

 

There are several teams that don't want to give up a first round draft pick for them so the market is limited, much like Kyle Lohse's was last year. Not suggesting that Lohse is as good as Jiminez or Santana, just that he got less than expected because of the draft pick compensation. Maybe I'm a little light on the money, say they get 4/55 each that's still roughly the same as Tanaka total money.

 

If this happens, you give up picks 47 & 83 in 2014 but have the chance of getting back picks around 35 or 36 in 2018. Even if you only get one of those with a QO then it's roughly a wash slot money wise.

[Abomination]

The reason I'm thinking they sign for 4/50 or so is the free-agent draft pick compensation.

 

There are several teams that don't want to give up a first round draft pick for them so the market is limited, much like Kyle Lohse's was last year. Not suggesting that Lohse is as good as Jiminez or Santana, just that he got less than expected because of the draft pick compensation. Maybe I'm a little light on the money, say they get 4/55 each that's still roughly the same as Tanaka total money.

 

If this happens, you give up picks 47 & 83 in 2014 but have the chance of getting back picks around 35 or 36 in 2018. Even if you only get one of those with a QO then it's roughly a wash slot money wise.

 

Apparently Jimenez is asking for 17 to 20M / year. I don't think he'll quite get that much, but I doubt he gets less than 15M per (which I'd be okay with).

 

As much as Tanaka is holding the market up, I think the Yankees are too with the A-Rod situation. If they can't stay under the cap, they'll probably sign at least 2 of the starting pitchers.

[connorp]

Where is this implied?

 

Nowhere..as usual though, hes calling someone out for not "genuinely loving" the game

[jays4life19]

Apparently Jimenez is asking for 17 to 20M / year. I don't think he'll quite get that much, but I doubt he gets less than 15M per (which I'd be okay with).

 

As much as Tanaka is holding the market up, I think the Yankees are too with the A-Rod situation. If they can't stay under the cap, they'll probably sign at least 2 of the starting pitchers.

 

4 years and 60 million is probably realistic with how so many teams value their draft picks. He's probably the most realistic target. AA probably could get all the Dominican guys to convince him to head north of the boarder.

[jays4life19]

Dickey

Buehrle

Morrow

Happ

Hutch

Rogers

Drabek

Redmond

McGowan

Jeffress

Jenkins

Nolin

Romero

McGuire

Stroman

 

I really don't understand the big panic to trade for/sign free agent pitching when you've got 13 possible options on your 40 man roster already, and a couple more wildcards like Romero and Stroman, that could also contribute. Not to mention one of the best SP prospects in the minors who could be ready as early as this season.

 

There's already going to be a numbers crunch if something isn't done. The problem for AA is that there's very little value in the likes of Happ,McGowan,Jeffress,Rogers,Jenkins,Drabek,Hutchison and Romero. There's a lot of potential value, just not much currently, so AA needs a season to assess what he's got and could very well find himself in a position to deal away starters rather than trying to add more.

 

Personally I'd rather see AA try to find some interest in Buerhle + Cash + Izzy + Janssen to land a decent 2B option than see him sign any of the remaining FA SP options.

 

Role the dice with Dickey,Morrow,McGowan,Jeffress and Happ to start the year with Hutch,Rogers,Drabek,Redmond,Jenkins,Nolin and Stroman as backup.

 

I think it has more to do with quality over quantity. As you pointed out we have extremely good depth. That's something that crushed us last year. Now we just need to get someone that is likely going to be above average. 2/3 type. My preference would be Garza at this point. Not sure how realistic that is though. We might have to settle on Jiminez.

[Abomination]

I just don't see the value in it. Is Garza + 15m/annum > Hutchison + league min??

 

I think that depends whether the 15M is allocated elsewhere or not.

[jays4life19]

I just don't see the value in it. Is Garza + 15m/annum > Hutchison + league min??

 

Maybe.

 

I guess i would just rather go into the season with the comfort of having Hutch, Drabek and Stroman as depth for when Morrow's arm explodes.

[DuckDuckGose]

I just don't see the value in it. Is Garza + 15m/annum > Hutchison + league min??

 

It isn't one or the other though. They are looking at Hutch/Drabek/Redmond and Happ as the 4/5 next season which doesn't inspire confidence.

[connorp]

To highard:

 

Terrible idea. There prob isnt one SP in the opening day 5 that would have an O/U in Vegas for lower than a 4.00 ERA

 

All that wonderful "depth" is mostly the same kind of s*** any team with a much better rotation can come up with when someone goes down. Not some big advantage

[L54]

"Terrible idea. There prob isnt one SP in the opening day 5 that would have an O/U in Vegas for lower than a 4.00 ERA"

 

That would include Buehrle. IMO he's completely redundant in this org and I'd definitely be calling Dipoto to check the availability of Kendrick.

 

"All that wonderful "depth" is mostly the same kind of s*** any team with a much better rotation can come up with when someone goes down. Not some big advantage"

 

I doubt there's ONE team that has the kind of depth the jay's have at SP.

 

Just because you can list a whole bunch of names, doesn't quantify them as the best depth in the league. Depth of guys who are all #4-5 and swingman type pitchers really isn't that big of a deal.

[Key22]

I think the Jays already have their 2,3,4,5 starters - what they need at this point is a number one or number 2. That doesn't exist on he free agent market. Jiminez is really the only FA that COULD be lightning in the ole bottle - he did win a Cy Young and he has big stuff - but he also can't find the plate. Kind of hard to give up a draft pick and also $15m per season for 4-5 years it will take to get him - remember we have to pay more money and more years to land free agents. What AA doesn't seem to get when he says things like - The Jays are willing to give a higher AAS is that he ALSO must give them more years.

 

The only pitcher truly worth spending on is Tanaka - someone else will post the $20 and offer at least a 7 year 105m (125m with the posting fee). And many of those teams can offer him something else as well - being on a winner.

[jays4life19]

I think the Jays already have their 2,3,4,5 starters - what they need at this point is a number one or number 2. That doesn't exist on he free agent market. Jiminez is really the only FA that COULD be lightning in the ole bottle - he did win a Cy Young and he has big stuff - but he also can't find the plate. Kind of hard to give up a draft pick and also $15m per season for 4-5 years it will take to get him - remember we have to pay more money and more years to land free agents. What AA doesn't seem to get when he says things like - The Jays are willing to give a higher AAS is that he ALSO must give them more years.

 

The only pitcher truly worth spending on is Tanaka - someone else will post the $20 and offer at least a 7 year 105m (125m with the posting fee). And many of those teams can offer him something else as well - being on a winner.

 

I think since Jiminez is Dominican he might be willing to come here without us paying a premium. Not that i really want him...just saying.

[L54]

It's a pretty big deal. Our lack of depth at the SP position killed us in past seasons.

 

Who gives a s*** if you have the best depth in the league if there is nothing on top? Pretty pointless if you ask me.

[jays4life19]

Who gives a s*** if you have the best depth in the league if there is nothing on top? Pretty pointless if you ask me.

 

Which is why we need to sign a pitcher and keep our depth.

 

We also really f***ing need a 2nd basemen.

[L54]

Which is why we need to sign a pitcher and keep our depth.

 

We also really f***ing need a 2nd basemen.

 

Exactly. If we're going to roll into the season with Dickey, Morrow, McGowan, Jeffress and Happ which was suggested earlier, who cares what our depth is?

[connorp]

It's a pretty big deal. Our lack of depth at the SP position killed us in past seasons.

 

Yeah but look at the list of "depth".. As jay fans we will naturally look at the names and our homerism will tell us "hes got upside"..but in fact if we saw them on another team, we would say theyre s***. None deserving a spot in a good rotation and outside of Stroman they all have "back end" written all over them..

 

I would much rather have a team with a superior 3 guys that could step ih.. Then s*** after that. Cause really, how much worse can you get than the Jay guys? Teams can pick up guys like Laffey if they get past their reserves .... Or whoever else gets released.. and not miss a beat..