The one and only Masahiro Tanaka posting and bidding thread

[L54]

Not sure what you've been reading, but its not all doom and gloom in the farm system.

[jaysfan2014]

Not sure if this is already been mentioned, but the Mariners, not the Yankees are the faves for Tanaka:

 

Ben Badler ‏@BenBadler

 

The Mariners look like the favorites for Masahiro Tanaka. But competition is fierce.

 

Wouldn't be surprised--especially considering Iwakuma is already there.

[jays4life19]

I seen that Ubaldo wants 17-20MM..doubt AA is going to fork that over.. so then what?? So what was the logic in paying MB 18MM annually if you're not willing to spend on top of that?? Oh because we got JJ?? Well why wasn't he qualified..this is turning into an inexplicable debacle

 

Just because that's what he wants doesn't mean thats the price he will sign for. At the end of the day Ubaldo won't get more then 4 years and 60 million due to the draft pick comp and his terrible 2012.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Not sure what you've been reading, but its not all doom and gloom in the farm system.

 

I've been reading what you have and in my books kids that are in Rookie Ball and Low A, are a good 5 years away from being contributors at the MLB level.

[jays4life19]

I've been reading what you have and in my books kids that are in Rookie Ball and Low A, are a good 5 years away from being contributors at the MLB level.

 

Very true.

 

Saying that if a couple of the low guys have big years + 2 top picks in next years loaded draft....things might be looking sexy once again. Let's hope.

[jaysfan2014]

Jimenez's 2011 was pretty bad as well. He's not worth 17-20M at all. It's most likely he ends up back in Cleveland on a 1-year deal because draft pick compensation destroys his market, as no team is going to give that kind of money to a guy who is incredibly wild and really had one good season back in 2010.

[jays4life19]

Jimenez's 2011 was pretty bad as well. He's not worth 17-20M at all. It's most likely he ends up back in Cleveland on a 1-year deal because draft pick compensation destroys his market, as no team is going to give that kind of money to a guy who is incredibly wild and really had one good season back in 2010.

 

I can't see him taking 1 year. He's going to want to cash in for last year. It just won't be for 17-20 Mil. 4 years between 52 - 60 million sounds about right

[GD]

It would almost be like a team passing up on Votto in order to get someone like Dunn, Alvarez, or Trumbo because they want the extra home runs in the middle of their order.

 

I feel like there's a good chance Dusty Baker would actually do this.

[TheHurl]

And then posted a 13:10 K:BB in 3 starts (17.1 IP) in AAA and, of course, pooped himself in his ill-thought-out MLB debut. Obviously, SSS and all that, but that's what there is, and speaks to my point. SSS at more competitive levels. Guys without top-notch stuff often struggle to transition to new levels, especially the higher levels. Let him prove he can adjust to AAA hitters before thinking about anointing him as MLB depth (and let him prove he can adjust to MLB level hitters before you anoint him MLB depth, as well.) At these levels, with his stuff, he's a "show me" pitcher, in that you believe he can do it when he actually does it ... you can't just assume he'll transition reasonably well.

 

He also threw a 1 hitter in one of those three starts. One other was a 5 hitter that he pitched into the 7th. I watched the one hitter...he struggled with his command but they weren't even close to contact when they did swing.

[jaysfan2014]

From whom? Rumor had the Yankees being interested, but it would be a terrible idea as his walk and frequently elevated HR rate outside of 2013 would get him destroyed at Yankee Stadium. Same with Toronto. D-Backs are apparently also in the mix as well.

 

He is going to have to reduce his demand if anyone is going to want him. $17-20M is too high for a guy who walks 4 per 9 IP and hasn't been elite since 2010.

[McD]

There's so much negativity here. Injuries and a bad April played a huge role in the awful 2013 season. A healthy reyes/lawrie/morrow would already be a massive boost to our chances. Trade for shark, even if it takes Sanchez. Too many prospects don't make the grade anyway - at least we know we'd be getting a solid #2 starter.

 

That gives us a potentially brilliant lineup, a great bullpen and a solid rotation that has options.

[jays4life19]

There's so much negativity here. Injuries and a bad April played a huge role in the awful 2013 season. A healthy reyes/lawrie/morrow would already be a massive boost to our chances. Trade for shark, even if it takes Sanchez. Too many prospects don't make the grade anyway - at least we know we'd be getting a solid #2 starter.

 

That gives us a potentially brilliant lineup, a great bullpen and a solid rotation that has options.

 

Welcome to the board.

 

Get use to the negativity. I agree we're alot better then most people here think.

 

I think if Shark could be had for just Sanchez he would be gone. Sounds like the Cubs want both Stro & Sanchez+

 

At this point....upgrade at 2nd and sign a FA pitcher.

[jays4life19]

Wtf @ brilliant lineup?? Did you watch the games last year?? There was no direction.. terrible defense and hacking wildly at every pitch was far from showing any signs of brilliance... the negatively has spawned from making every wrong move possible in the last 4 years...

 

This is why all moves now or lack of aren't backed with positivity... let's take a look here...we traded Halladay for busts and went on to win 85 games..what was Halladays WAR that year??? Oops..not properly evaluating talent we have?? Id say..then we don't bother with Darvish because of the risk or whatever the lame reason was.. "not ready" i think it was.. well didn't we just win 85 games.. might want to think about replacing the void doc left?? Nah. Alright after another crap season it's time to compete.. let's spend 40 million a year on two players and let the best one of the deal walk after a year with no compensation.. MASTERMIND..let's stand pat in purgatory now because we are confused as to what to do because everything hasn't worked out in the past???

 

We have a projected top 9 offense. Projected top 5 bullpen.

 

We just need 1 really good SP. We won't have to relay on Laffey, Ortiz, and Wang this year. We have depth. We won't and can't spend 40 million, but we really don't have to.

[McD]

You ask me if I was watching last year and then refer to Johnson as the best player in the marlins trade??

 

Last year was awful aye but it doesn't take too much imagination to see the lineup as extremely productive, strong enough even

to absorb goins' bat. Bautista, encarnacion, Reyes will be quality. Lawrie, lind and rasmus just need to be more consistent - and why can't they be? And it will interesting to see how melky plays without a tumour in his back. Lots if reasons for positivity!!

[McD]

Welcome to the board.

 

Get use to the negativity. I agree we're alot better then most people here think.

 

I think if Shark could be had for just Sanchez he would be gone. Sounds like the Cubs want both Stro & Sanchez+

 

At this point....upgrade at 2nd and sign a FA pitcher.

 

Sanchez plus stroman is a lot to give up obviously but there's too many prospects that have come up and not reached expectations. Its a gamble but at least we have more information on shark. Ideally AA would swing it without moving stroman but i wouldn't be devastated if it took both.

[jays4life19]

Sanchez plus stroman is a lot to give up obviously but there's too many prospects that have come up and not reached expectations. Its a gamble but at least we have more information on shark. Ideally AA would swing it without moving stroman but i wouldn't be devastated if it took both.

 

You don't trade Stroman and Sanchez+ unless it's for someone like Chris Sale. We're not getting shark unless we grossly overpay and it's nice to know AA's not desperate.

[jaysblue]

Determining when to go watch a game based on when a particular pitcher is pitching.

 

If I go down to a Blue Jays game, I definitely look at the pitching match ups, and the pitchers who are pitching to determine the game I go to. For example if I'm looking at going to catch a Jays game when the Mariners in town, I'll for sure look out and see if Felix Hernandez is pitching one of those games. If he is, I'm going down to that one over the other two.

 

Also, when Josh Towers pitched during 2005, I'd try to make it down to everyone of his home starts. Now I went to many other Jays games that season that he wasn't pitching, though since he was my favourite player I tried to make it to every game he pitched.

 

As for watching games on the road, I'll go and watch a game at any ballpark regardless of who is pitching or not pitching. Also, since when travelling, it's tough to schedule out approximately on which pitcher you want to see unless you stay in town the entire week.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I thought the job of a competent GM was to upgrade the team?

 

I thought it was to make the Organization better? Guess under your train of thought Friedman isn't really all that bright seeing as most of his trades look to pay dividends in the near future/future.

 

Its a shame the Jays went and got all hell bent urgent at winning and the fans lapped it up.

[jays4life19]

Agreed. But he is in a desperate situation

 

If he felt that way he would have already overpaid for pitching. He's said multiple times they have deals they could do tomorrow - just not comfortable with the prices to acquire ( ie. Stroman + Sanchez). I think we all need to remember AA didn't want to do the Marlins trade. Beeston forced the issue and the blame i feel should fall on him.

[GeorgiaPeach]

What about the 3 year window?? Did they just give up???

 

I hope so, that window was broken from the start.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Very true.

 

Saying that if a couple of the low guys have big years + 2 top picks in next years loaded draft....things might be looking sexy once again. Let's hope.

 

But when the current vets decide to retire and the Jays GM burdens us with expensive extensions for even older deteriorating players, the contention window will be closed. And when that window is closed the fanbase will be clamouring for a second major gutting of the farm. The impatience for immediate contention is laughable.

[ElNik2013]

The Broken 3-Year-Window Fallacy.

[jays4life19]

But when the current vets decide to retire and the Jays GM burdens us with expensive extensions for even older deteriorating players, the contention window will be closed. And when that window is closed the fanbase will be clamouring for a second major gutting of the farm. The impatience for immediate contention is laughable.

 

That's a fallacy of assumption, though.

 

AA has had 1 stupid offseason which i believe was fueled by the logic that the Yankees were s***, Baltimore had a lucky season, Boston just finished last and the Rays had no offense. AA didn't want to do the Marlins trade - Beeston forced the issue.

 

If AA was desperate he would have traded Stroman+ for shark or some s*** like that

[jays4life19]

Just wondering how you definitively know this?? (the marlins trade) because if you remember the year before they were in trade talk with them and let a better package coming back go..

 

Read Shi's book about the 2013 offseason.

[connorp]

I really think Cubs will move Samar if they exhaust all their cards trying to extend him. Especially after the remaining FA SP sign. They have no shot at competing next year and Samar's value will drop dramatically with only one year of control.

 

Hmm..of course maybe they deal him at deadline this year for same return

[GeorgiaPeach]

If I go down to a Blue Jays game, I definitely look at the pitching match ups, and the pitchers who are pitching to determine the game I go to. For example if I'm looking at going to catch a Jays game when the Mariners in town, I'll for sure look out and see if Felix Hernandez is pitching one of those games. If he is, I'm going down to that one over the other two.

 

As for watching games on the road, I'll go and watch a game at any ballpark regardless of who is pitching or not pitching. Also, since when travelling, it's tough to schedule out approximately on which pitcher you want to see unless you stay in town the entire week.

 

You're in a different situation than me living in Toronto. My situation is, if someone asks me to go to a Jays game in advance the answer is either yes or no. Other outside factors like my schedule play into whether or not I want to go to a game. And when I travel abroad to see games, they have to have some significance or meaning.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I want immediate contention and i don't think it's laughable.. what's laughable was the attempt to do it in one off season two off seasons after trading the best pitcher in the game at the time

 

I guess if you have this need to watch phenomenal baseball or else.

 

The Jays are team who cannot contend on a continuous basis with the big spending teams. So at some point your need for contention is going to let you down.

[GeorgiaPeach]

That's a fallacy of assumption, though.

 

AA has had 1 stupid offseason which i believe was fueled by the logic that the Yankees were s***, Baltimore had a lucky season, Boston just finished last and the Rays had no offense. AA didn't want to do the Marlins trade - Beeston forced the issue.

 

If AA was desperate he would have traded Stroman+ for shark or some s*** like that

 

If there's no moving of our veteran players during this season (a nothing season at this point with what they have) then things are going to start deteriorating. If you can get something for vets before they head off to free agency, retirement or just plain run into their mid 30's. You don't let them hang around for kicks, you move them.

[jays4life19]

Id rather not.. I find it hard to believe he would pass the blame on record..also does he have no balls to stick to his guns?? Apparently not..id get fired over it rather then be a sheep..anyhow that being said id do the trade as well but i would have done it when hanley was on the table at the deadline

 

Maybe you should read it - or educate yourself. It's not worth me debating it with you if you refuse to have a close mind.

[jays4life19]

If there's no moving of our veteran players during this season (a nothing season at this point with what they have) then things are going to start deteriorating. If you can get something for vets before they head off to free agency, retirement or just plain run into their mid 30's. You don't let them hang around for kicks, you move them.

 

Give it 45 days after the off season is over - shall we make a lil wager on the Jays standings?