Davidi: Jays looking at "in house options"

[Howard Roark]

You want to manually input some of this? If you're going to input anything, only input them into the WAR/Salary columns. The surplus/value columns should remain as is.

 

https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=BBD303AC2F6B49CE%21266

 

Not doing that now, I'm passing out in half an hour or so and data entry isn't how I usually relax before bed.

 

To be honest I assumed you would have this charted out on a whiteboard on your bedroom wall all ready to go for the offseason. I'm terribly disappointed in you.

 

I'll do it tomorrow at work (lol) unless a random passer-by takes up the mantle before then.

[Howard Roark]

Another slow day at work huh Howie

 

I work usually like 8 ish to 4 ish.

 

Make yourself useful, do the data-entry stuff. We'll get someone to take you off their ignore list as a reward.

[Angrioter]

HDMH

Jays next Ace lol

[GD]

Never thought I'd be fairly adamant about trading Sanchez, but that really does seem like the best route.

 

Scherzer, Lee, Sale, Price, Chacin, Bailey, Samardzija, Hamels are the best options I can find quickly using my leaderboard. Wonder who Sanchez+ would get us out of that. I think it's pretty safe to rule out Shark and Sale based on what we've heard but beyond that, hmm.

[Abomination]

Never thought I'd be fairly adamant about trading Sanchez, but that really does seem like the best route.

 

Scherzer, Lee, Sale, Price, Chacin, Bailey, Samardzija, Hamels are the best options I can find quickly using my leaderboard. Wonder who Sanchez+ would get us out of that. I think it's pretty safe to rule out Shark and Sale based on what we've heard but beyond that, hmm.

 

I think they'd need more for Scherzer too, and with 1 year left for him I'm not sure I'd want to give up even Sanchez to be honest. I think you can rule out Price too (they're asking for even more than Shark and Sale). Lee, Hamels, or Chacin could be interesting.

[GD]

I don't think Sanchez is all that valuable. I'd have him outside my top-50 prospects, and I imagine a few teams would view him similarly. For the names you have up there, a prospect like that won't keep you in the race. But then again, all it takes is one team to love his stuff ans see a future ace.

 

The + isn't exactly insignificant, I think more than a few teams would like toolsy guys like Davis, Norris, Gose, etc. Plus, I listed two Phillies pitchers. Pretty sure Amaro would trade Lee + Hamels + Utley/Rollins for Sanchez + Sierra.

 

Actually, in all seriousness, if we wanted to go for a Miami-style trade again, I kind of wonder how valid an option that would be. Phillies are trying to move some vets and if Rogers ponied up, I could see AA liking that. Wonder what that package would take assuming we took on most/all of the money in the deal.

[G-Snarls]

The + isn't exactly insignificant, I think more than a few teams would like toolsy guys like Davis, Norris, Gose, etc. Plus, I listed two Phillies pitchers. Pretty sure Amaro would trade Lee + Hamels + Utley/Rollins for Sanchez + Sierra.

 

Actually, in all seriousness, if we wanted to go for a Miami-style trade again, I kind of wonder how valid an option that would be. Phillies are trying to move some vets and if Rogers ponied up, I could see AA liking that.

 

But Amaro won't be the one to do it. He still thinks he has a contender

 

Next year when they fail to make the playoffs again, and possibly have an even worse record, he'll finally be fired. The new GM will trade away the aging guys with any value (Utley, Rollins, etc) and likely one of the pitchers.

[GD]

But Amaro won't be the one to do it. He still thinks he has a contender

 

Next year when they fail to make the playoffs again, and possibly have an even worse record, he'll finally be fired. The new GM will trade away the aging guys with any value (Utley, Rollins, etc) and likely one of the pitchers.

 

(made an edit to my post after you quoted it btw)

 

Does he though? He's been rumored to be pushing Paps, Rollins, Hamels and Lee trades recently, that doesn't scream "We're contenders."

[Abomination]

(made an edit to my post after you quoted it btw)

 

Does he though? He's been rumored to be pushing Paps, Rollins, Hamels and Lee trades recently, that doesn't scream "We're contenders."

 

Even if he did trade them, it would be smarter for him to eat a bunch of salary and get a BIG return than to expect another team to eat it all for a minimal one.

[Abomination]

Does AA even have that kind of $$$$?

 

Almost certainly not, but if THAT didn't fix the rotation nothing will...

[GD]

Even if he did trade them, it would be smarter for him to eat a bunch of salary and get a BIG return than to expect another team to eat it all for a minimal one.

 

Pretty sure the rumor was that he's just not looking to eat a single dollar. I don't disagree, but I'm just trying to piece together rumors and such.

 

Does AA even have that kind of $$$$?

 

Probably not, but I have no god damn clue with this team anymore, and at this point if we're gonna throw s***/ideas at the wall and see what sticks that seems plausible under certain circumstances. I figure we have the assets in a trade, but agree that we may not have the financial resources.

[GD]

Lee

Hamels

Dickey

Buehrle

Morrow

 

Not bad.

 

Rearrange the order to optimize the Dickey effect, maybe

 

Hamels

Dickey

Morrow

Buehrle

Lee

 

And that's a pretty rockin' rotation. That's like 15 wins or so, right? 4 + 4 + 2 + 2 from the Dickey effect + 2 + 1.

[GD]

3 wins from the bullpen, 24.8 from the offense (both of those from steamer), and ~17 from the rotation ends up as like a 92 win team.

 

Of all the things that will never, ever happen, this would be the nicest.

[mitchf]

3 wins from the bullpen, 24.8 from the offense (both of those from steamer), and ~17 from the rotation ends up as like a 92 win team.

 

Of all the things that will never, ever happen, this would be the nicest.

I wouldn't put anything past RAJr.

 

As far as he's concerned Bronson Arroyo was better than Hamels in 2013.

[GD]

Why Lee last though? I'd go with Lee, Hamels, Dickey, Morrow, Buehrle.

 

I dunno, I was spitballing lol. I like that as well.

 

I wouldn't put anything past RAJr.

 

As far as he's concerned Bronson Arroyo was better than Hamels in 2013.

 

Not to mention Kyle Kendrick being equal to Matt Garza. But really, even though RAJr is dumn, I doubt we have the money.

[NorthOf49]

I wouldn't put anything past RAJr.

 

As far as he's concerned Bronson Arroyo was better than Hamels in 2013.

The annoying thing that goes along with Amaro's stupidity is his overvaluing of his own players. It's hard to rip him off because of it. I'm sure he's asking the moon for Hamels and Lee. The ineptitude instead shows up in free agent signings and contract extensions... things that other teams can't really take advantage of.

[kcjaysfan]

The annoying thing that goes along with Amaro's stupidity is his overvaluing of his own players. It's hard to rip him off because of it. I'm sure he's asking the moon for Hamels and Lee. The ineptitude instead shows up in free agent signings and contract extensions... things that other teams can't really take advantage of.

 

So when it comes to trades, he's effectively stupid, but for extensions and free-agent signings, he's just stupid.

[G-Snarls]

The annoying thing that goes along with Amaro's stupidity is his overvaluing of his own players. It's hard to rip him off because of it. I'm sure he's asking the moon for Hamels and Lee.

 

You sure? Lee hardly had any WINz in 2012 recall.

[Abomination]

That and Hamels alone would cost a f***ing ton. 5/118.5 for the 30-34 seasons of a durable 4-win starter would have a lot of teams involved in the bidding.

 

I'd definitely rather pay that for a proven guy than close to that (when posting fee is factored in) for a guy who's ceiling might be Hamels if everything goes right.

[G-Snarls]

I'd definitely rather pay that for a proven guy than close to that (when posting fee is factored in) for a guy who's ceiling might be Hamels if everything goes right.

 

Just for the money? Yes. But then you have to factor in the cost of players in trade.

[ace3113]

MLB trade rumors.

Multiple teams interested in nick franklin

 

The mariners have a "strong" trade market for nick franklin, as several teams have shown interest in the young second baseman, fox sports' ken rosenthal and jon morosi report (twitter link). Franklin went from being seattle's second baseman of the future to an obvious trade candidate following the team's signing of robinson cano, and given his pedigree, it's no surprise that teams are looking to acquire a promising, controllable talent.

 

Franklin, 22, was taken by the mariners with the 27th overall pick of the 2009 draft and he entered the season ranked as the 47th-best prospect in the game by mlb.com and as the 79th-best by baseball america. The 2013 baseball america prospect handbook ranked franklin as the fifth-best prospect in seattle's system, saying "he profiles as a solid regular who could play in a few all-star games." franklin hit .287/.360/.459 with 46 homers and 63 steals (out of 81 chances) over 1756 minor league pa, and then hit .225/.303/.382 with 12 homers in 412 pa with the mariners in 2013, his first taste of major league action.

 

Since franklin has a lot of minor league experience at shortstop, the m's could also make him cano's double play partner and shop incumbent shortstop brad miller instead. Miller, however, actually outhit franklin in both the majors and the minors and (while he isn't a great defender) is better suited to shortstop than franklin, so miller could have more value to the mariners going forward.

 

With cano, omar infante and even secondary options like kelly johnson, mark ellis and brian roberts off the board, teams looking for second base help have precious little left on the free agent market. the blue jays stand out as a would-be contender with a hole at second base, while teams like the braves and mets could have a need for a promising young second baseman if they move their current keystone position stalwarts (dan uggla and daniel murphy, respectively) who have been rumored to be on the trade market themselves.

[Dylan]

I'm assuming there are many teams going after Franklin which will drive the price up. What is everyone willing to give up at most?

[Angrioter]

MLB trade rumors.

 

Goins isn't a hole, he's a f***ing crater.

[Abomination]

I'm assuming there are many teams going after Franklin which will drive the price up. What is everyone willing to give up at most?

 

Honestly? Quite a bit, but I'd like to expand it to include Michael Saunders as well.

[G-Snarls]

I'm assuming there are many teams going after Franklin which will drive the price up. What is everyone willing to give up at most?

 

Santos

Goins

A pitching prospect whose last dame does not start with S

[Angrioter]

Santos

Goins

A pitching prospect whose last dame does not start with S

 

Goins? Why?

 

Santos + Loup + Happ for Franklin + Maurer + s***

[kgm1]

I wish they'd stop messing around with McGowan. Just leave him in the pen and try and move him up the ladder into a higher leverage role.

 

As much as people aren't fond of Gose being in a FT role, he'd be a massive upgrade defensively in LF and not much of a downer at the plate compared to the amount of time the Jays wasted running Melky out to LF in 2013. But, I would still prefer to see if Melky's ready and run with him early in 2014.

 

Morrow had question marks surrounding him in 2013, just more, so its same old, same old.

 

I don't think we're in that much worse shape than 2013.....its just a matter of what transpires.

 

We have more question marks this year but surely the injury God can't get us that bad this year . yes I expect to win more games but I sure as hell can't justify spending 40 mil to entice Infante to play here to add 1 war and win 82 or 83 games .

 

AA f***ed up last year but 2 wrongs don't make a right . Waiting some of these guys out or waiting for the injuries to hit teams in ST isn't a bad idea and our trade chips become more valuable . As for McGowan ,he is replaceable in the bullpen , a free agent after this year so I have no problem seeing if he can give us 15 starts till he tires or gets hurt and then Stroman may be ready

 

I have no faith in Melky unless he has a better juice supplyer and after two years of an injured Morrow the ??? marks are huge . AA may still get something done and as long as it isn't an overpay then I'm good either way .

[Grant77]

I'm assuming there are many teams going after Franklin which will drive the price up. What is everyone willing to give up at most?

 

I'd be willing to deal Gose and a reliever for Nick Franklin, provided we can replace Gose through free agency.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

AA is beyond incompetent. I'm just counting down the days 'til the Expos come back, because this franchise is an absolute trainwreck with no signs of slowing down.

[fatcowxlive]

Maybe you're right. Maybe Moh You is like our own Jose Bautista? A useless nobody who's been around for a about a decade doing absolutely nothing and now after 10 years might actually start being a someone.

 

Why do you try to make yourself look bad? You're not much better as a poster in my eyes right now. While a dude is trying to add to conversation, there you are being all judgmental. It's the internet bro, no need to be a keyboard warrior. Relax.