Davidi: Jays looking at "in house options"

[LunchBox]

I'm under the impression that their frustration with him has mounted and claiming to still value him highly is simply posturing. Bonifacio + a less prospect probably would have gotten it done IMO

[jays4life19]

I'm under the impression that their frustration with him has mounted and claiming to still value him highly is simply posturing. Bonifacio + a less prospect probably would have gotten it done IMO

 

If their going to give him away for a 'meh' prospect or two...sure, why not? No downside. I just feel if that were the case he would be gone by now.

[LunchBox]

You might be right. I've been operating under the assumption that Rizzo really over values the versatile 25th man, Lombardozzi/Bonifacio. If that were true though, he probably would have included Espinosa in the DET trade instead. Rizzo is no fool, the Nats 2014 roster is seriously impressive, I've got a semi chub just thinking about it.

[Smokey]

If AA uses the young arms/prospects/in-house it is an "oh God" moment.

 

If AA trades those players for more elite pieces, people whine.

 

If AA doesn't sign players who, likely, have no interest signing in Toronto, he deserves to be fired.

 

Conclusion: You guys are idiots.

 

With all the complaints from last year, you guys should be excited for this option. We all know how much you will whine about the alternative. But yeah, keep harping on signing FA that probably have no interest in coming here.

 

I know exactly what you mean. It is absolutely crazy that the so called informed fans of a this club have a hard time accepting the total incompetence and failure (so far) of a GM who's budget is nearing the $150 million mark. Why can't these "idiots" just blindly support the team and get on AA's cock like you have? This is total ********.

[xposbrad]

I know exactly what you mean. It is absolutely crazy that the so called informed fans of a this club have a hard time accepting the total incompetence and failure (so far) of a GM who's budget is nearing the $150 million mark. Why can't these "idiots" just blindly support the team and get on AA's cock like you have? This is total ********.

 

LOL , well said! But at the end of the day, believe it or not, if AA is making Rogers a profit, then he's technically doing his job regardless of the w/l record.

[kgm1]

AA waiting for the price to drop isn't a bad thing . WTF does everyone want ?? Another overpay of prospects ?? If the 150 mil that was rumored is right then he only has about 15 mil to spend and Rasmus about to leave . I'm sure he has talked deal to every team and they all want overpays in his mind so he is waiting it out knowing he can't overpay this year .

 

I'm good with that . I would rather have Sanchez ans Stroman in the system than have them gone and still sitting out of the playoffs . Team just has too many question marks going into ST that getting one starter would fill . 15 mil just was never enough to ensure a platoff spot with Melky , Morrow , and Goins all serious questions .

 

Obviously he tried to match up with Detroit where most of us felt He could and they didn't want to deal with us . The FA,s still want way more than what they are worth and NO one seems to want to trade Pitching .

 

I believe he has deals he can make if he wants to hugely gut the system and a good GM should refuse to overpay unless it is the last key piece which all of us should realize we need more than one piece .

If Dickey has his velocity all year and our Diabetic Duo of Morrow and McGowan stay healthy along with the rest of our team then we may just surprise .

[Boxcar]

romero and morrow have both had success.....I think the good doctor was probably the best acquisition the jays could have made. Roy working as a consultant passing on some knowledge could be very good for a lot of pitchers who have talent but are missing something. Halladay said in his post retirement news conferences that it was the mental side more than the adjustments mechanically he made that transformed him as a pitcher. When I look at Drabek, he has good velocity, good movement on his pitches....he can't command his stuff. Last year however, he had 6 walks in 43 innings in the minors..this is something he's never done before. You add the mental mentor that Roy Halladay could be and who knows. Almost everyone has written Drabek off....I think abomination was one poster who said Drabek might be a surprise.

 

I'm not willing to stick my neck out for any one guy...but we have 4 or 5 guys that could surprise...we need 2 to surprise...we have depth with guys like Happ and Rogers....I'm excited for the season...most are dreading it..lol

 

"Hey Rick, not sure if anyone's told you, but throwing strikes is better than throwing balls. Also, increase your mental toughness because every pitcher has the same mental profile as me."

 

"Wow, thanks Doc! I was wondering what I was doing wrong all this time!"

[Smokey]

LOL , well said! But at the end of the day, believe it or not, if AA is making Rogers a profit, then he's technically doing his job regardless of the w/l record.

 

I don't hold Rogers stocks and don't see why I should care about their profits. Besides, a lot of that revenue was generated by the hype of last offseason and things could change fast if the losing continues.

[Smokey]

AA waiting for the price to drop isn't a bad thing . WTF does everyone want ?? Another overpay of prospects ?? If the 150 mil that was rumored is right then he only has about 15 mil to spend and Rasmus about to leave . I'm sure he has talked deal to every team and they all want overpays in his mind so he is waiting it out knowing he can't overpay this year .

 

I'm good with that . I would rather have Sanchez ans Stroman in the system than have them gone and still sitting out of the playoffs . Team just has too many question marks going into ST that getting one starter would fill . 15 mil just was never enough to ensure a platoff spot with Melky , Morrow , and Goins all serious questions .

 

Obviously he tried to match up with Detroit where most of us felt He could and they didn't want to deal with us . The FA,s still want way more than what they are worth and NO one seems to want to trade Pitching .

 

I believe he has deals he can make if he wants to hugely gut the system and a good GM should refuse to overpay unless it is the last key piece which all of us should realize we need more than one piece .

If Dickey has his velocity all year and our Diabetic Duo of Morrow and McGowan stay healthy along with the rest of our team then we may just surprise .

 

So why were you all giddy when Alex was getting bent over last offseason? I recall you trying to "eat your cake" as the rest of us were basking in the hate.

 

I love when people try to act like Alex's hands are tied with a $150 million budget when he's the one that got the team into this mess in the first place. I agree that the team is more than one piece away, but again, that's his own wrong doing caused by his shortsightedness and incompetence.

 

Maybe you'll wake up one day and smell the diarrhea that the fat greek is serving you on a platter, but I doubt it.

[Nox]

isn't

 

This is wonderful to see.

[Frenchsoup]

i actually remember seeing something about AA wanting to go after Raf Soriano but Beeston saying that was enough. Imagine how bad that would have been? 14 mill onto our payroll plus a draft pick.

[Nox]

believe it or not, if AA is making Rogers a profit, then he's technically doing his job regardless of the w/l record.

 

It's far more likely that Rogers is making a profit in spite of TFG, not because of anything he's doing. The rest of the Rogers departments/divisions associated with the Blue Jays are generally excellent. Baseball operations is the profit paring weak link.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Regardless of what happens on any of those fronts, one thing Anthopoulos has pointed to over and over the past two months is how intent he is on getting the right value in any potential trade or free agent signing.

 

Wha happened?

[LunchBox]

....huh?

[GeorgiaPeach]

I pretty much gave up on this team making the necessary moves after the deadline passed. The fact that a Goins/Izzy platoon seems fine with our GM spells incredible trouble for this team. No chance this team competes without either two upgrades to the rotation or a rotation and 2B upgrade. The competition in the division is just too strong to stand pat.

 

Now people are getting it, the team last year minus JPA wasn't really a contender on paper.

[Chappy]

AA waiting for the price to drop isn't a bad thing . WTF does everyone want ?? Another overpay of prospects ?? If the 150 mil that was rumored is right then he only has about 15 mil to spend and Rasmus about to leave . I'm sure he has talked deal to every team and they all want overpays in his mind so he is waiting it out knowing he can't overpay this year .

 

I'm good with that . I would rather have Sanchez ans Stroman in the system than have them gone and still sitting out of the playoffs . Team just has too many question marks going into ST that getting one starter would fill . 15 mil just was never enough to ensure a platoff spot with Melky , Morrow , and Goins all serious questions .

 

Obviously he tried to match up with Detroit where most of us felt He could and they didn't want to deal with us . The FA,s still want way more than what they are worth and NO one seems to want to trade Pitching .

 

I believe he has deals he can make if he wants to hugely gut the system and a good GM should refuse to overpay unless it is the last key piece which all of us should realize we need more than one piece .

If Dickey has his velocity all year and our Diabetic Duo of Morrow and McGowan stay healthy along with the rest of our team then we may just surprise .

 

Ken, the problem is that AA and Beeston committed the team to contending last winter and basically said we are all in for the next 3 years (our window of contention). Now it looks like this team is in a state of limbo where our assets are just going to keep getting older. This team as is won't contend unless they catch lightening in a bottle and let's be honest here that is probably a severe long shot.

 

AA either needs to address the deficiencies on this roster or blow it up. Nothing else is acceptable.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I would rather AA do nothing, finish the season with a mediocre record and get fired; than have him pull a Jack Z, make a bunch of s***** moves to try and save his job, miss the playoffs while setting us back 5+ years, and then get fired.

 

Didn't he do that last year?

[GeorgiaPeach]

This would be acceptable if we didn't already have question marks in LF and C, unless you consider Melky and Navarro sure things. An all glove middle infielder is a great way to save payroll if our rotation didn't have huge question marks after Dickey and Buehrle who both combined will average 37 years of age come opening day. It's actually a great idea, however the rest of our roster doesn't support this type of risk.

 

Vik, why is Dickey & Buehrle's age a sudden problem?

[Holden Caulfield]

So if we're conceding the season, why not trade Bautista?

[mitchf]

I can't believe there are people here who think bluejays contribute negative economic value to rogers

 

Go get some schooling

Who the f*** actually thinks the Jays don't make a profit? Your Econ 101 terms don't fit what you're trying to say.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Right now this team falls under the category of pretender.

 

Unless this organization does one of two things, this team falls under the category of pretender for me. Either they go all in, all the time like a big boy team that the fans claim the organization is. Or they go the slow and stable route of building through the farm and adding/overpaying for a free agent here and there.

 

This half-ass way of building a team or creating these little windows of contention are a joke. But people lap it up, not realizing the consequences in the near future.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Should not and will be are two different things. Ladies and gentlemen, say hello to your 2014 0 WAR starting 2B platoon.

 

And your thoughts on the Jays heading into the 2013 season with Izturis pencilled in as the 2B....playoffs?

 

Come on.

[GeorgiaPeach]

It's better than a -3 WAR one like we had last year

 

But still should have aimed higher, especially when the insane price of pitching became obvious

 

And most were predicting a WS appearance with that -3WAR 2B last year.

 

People need to stop dreaming.

[mitchf]

Unless this organization does one of two things, this team falls under the category of pretender for me. Either they go all in, all the time like a big boy team that the fans claim the organization is. Or they go the slow and stable route of building through the farm and adding/overpaying for a free agent here and there.

 

This half-ass way of building a team or creating these little windows of contention are a joke. But people lap it up, not realizing the consequences in the near future.

You're right, but it's a little harder to actually act on this.

 

Go all in, trade everyone under 21 that's not contributing to the Major League team?

Slow & methodical, sell high on Rasmus and the bullpen?

 

How does a front office do either of these two moves while considering last year?

[GeorgiaPeach]

Gausman

Changeup - Plus-Plus

Fastball - Plus (98Mph - both side)

Slider - Plus

 

(Radiohead Voice) He's f***ing special.

 

Imagine Gausman was a young knuckleballer???? He could pitch forever and create that buffer of the pitchers who follow to be HOF calibre due to the funkiness of the knuckler.

Screw young fireballers.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Hey I'm just happy the farm is not going to be traded for a bunch of middle of the road veterans

 

Next, trade Bautista for young emerging top talent

 

But Dickey had a CY Young award hooped.

[Chappy]

Vik, why is Dickey & Buehrle's age a sudden problem?

 

The problem isn't specifically their ages, it's the fact that Morrow cannot be counted on and JJ was a complete bust and as a result no attempt to qualify or extend him was made, which is understandable but cost this team dearly. Not to mention the countless people who thought Romero would bounce back and now he likely never makes another start in a Jays uniform. That is 3/5 of our rotation and as a result this team is now completely relying on these two aging SP and AA hasn't done anything to address it.

[GeorgiaPeach]

 

 

Agreed. He's coming onto his own as a poster.

 

I actually have him right on par with the Moderators as a poster.

[GeorgiaPeach]

The point here is that Dickey and Gausman have similar 2014 upsides, sure, but Dickey has much less of an uncertainty/risk factor.

 

Who the f*** cares about one year?

[Chappy]

I actually have him right on par with the Moderators as a poster.

 

What?