Davidi: Jays looking at "in house options"

[Laika]

Vs

 

 

That's the debate

 

The point here is that Dickey and Gausman have similar 2014 upsides, sure, but Dickey has much less of an uncertainty/risk factor.

[Dr. Dinger]

+1 Even start the year with a rotation of Dickey, MB, Morrow, Happ and Hutchison. When someone gets injured/falters then Stroman, Drabek, Jenkins get a shot. There's plenty of options to eat innings, just don't let guys struggle for prolonged period at the major league level.

 

I'd rather just give Stroman a rotation spot from the outset if he pitches in Spring Training like he did in the fall league. He's as ready as he's going to get.

[Fearthedoc]

Harvey 6,1 WAR (178 IP)

Fernandez 4,2 WAR (172 IP)

Miller 2,1 WAR (173 IP)

Cole 2,3 WAR (117 IP)

Wacha 1,1 WAR (64 IP)

 

I wonder if that list would still look as sexy if we included all of the high ranked arms that became busts (or fell well short of their ceiling) over the last 5 years.

[jays4life19]

So I guess we should have qualified Johnson?? Oops

 

Agreed. Especially with the 2014 AAA Depth that would have made the signing less risky.

[Laika]

I'd rather just give Stroman a rotation spot from the outset if he pitches in Spring Training like he did in the fall league. He's as ready as he's going to get.

 

I guess the only ? would be workload. 117.1 innings in 2012, 123.1 in 2013. College reliever the two years prior.

 

Is he stretched out enough to start the year in a big league rotation, or should he be building up a bit in the minors? Maybe they build him up slowly in AAA with innings / pitch caps for a month or two before calling him up to inevitably replace struggling Happ or broken Morrow.

[Angrioter]

Sorry Ang, Dickey 2014 > Gausman 2014

 

The hangover effect is out of the equation.

[LunchBox]

I guess the only ? would be workload. 117.1 innings in 2012, 123.1 in 2013. College reliever the two years prior.

 

Is he stretched out enough to start the year in a big league rotation, or should he be building up a bit in the minors? Maybe they build him up slowly in AAA with innings / pitch caps for a month or two before calling him up to inevitably replace struggling Happ or broken Morrow.

 

That was my thought process

[Abomination]

I guess the only ? would be workload. 117.1 innings in 2012, 123.1 in 2013. College reliever the two years prior.

 

Is he stretched out enough to start the year in a big league rotation, or should he be building up a bit in the minors? Maybe they build him up slowly in AAA with innings / pitch caps for a month or two before calling him up to inevitably replace struggling Happ or broken Morrow.

 

In some ways, it would make sense to have McGowan in the rotation to start the year for that very reason. McGowan would have to be moved to the pen at some point anyway (I'd imagine) due to how few innings he's pitched. As for Redmond, I still think it could be Drabek that gets that slot out of spring training.

[Laika]

As for Redmond, I still think it could be Drabek that gets that slot out of spring training.

 

Really, it should be a good old fashioned spring training pitching battle for that last spot or two. I'm guessing that Drabek and Redmond still have a couple of option years left, so they have the outside track, but for a team that is trying to win now it would be pretty dumb to roll with Happ if he looks crummy and one of them looks sharp. And if McGowan looks great in spring, then they should give him a shot. It's not like he has a track record to project from - he's basically just a piece of talented poo that they're throwing at the wall.

 

Assuming health and not considering options, I think everybody would prefer to see Hutch and Stroman as the #4/5 given the current depth chart, but that's just not very likely to happen in the context of the current roster.

[Caper]

Sign Mark Ellis (or any small projected 2B upgrade, Brian Roberts would probably have liked a bit more than $2MM)

Sign better bench pieces (specifically, make it so that Moises Sierra isn't the team's best RH bat off the bench)

Trade Aaron Sanchez for a sizable rotation upgrade

 

Again... Here we go with the fans that think that these options exist like the baseball world is like a giant supermarket.... Where you can just trade a guy like Sanchez for a major pitching upgrade. That option almost doesn't exist... and if it does you won't get a guy with half the ceiling of Sanchez... You d get a solid number 4... Maybe fringe 3 starter.... f*** that.

[Laika]

.... Where you can just trade a guy like Sanchez for a major pitching upgrade.

 

Doesn't even necessarily have to be a major upgrade for the trade to be worth it.

 

.... Here we go with the fans that think that these options exist like the baseball world is like a giant supermarket.

 

One of my points was "upgrade Moises Sierra". You don't exactly need a baseball Costco to find a selection of better RHB platoon guys with a bit of defensive utility.

[Angrioter]

Really, it should be a good old fashioned spring training pitching battle for that last spot or two. I'm guessing that Drabek and Redmond still have a couple of option years left, so they have the outside track, but for a team that is trying to win now it would be pretty dumb to roll with Happ if he looks crummy and one of them looks sharp. And if McGowan looks great in spring, then they should give him a shot. It's not like he has a track record to project from - he's basically just a piece of talented poo that they're throwing at the wall.

 

Assuming health and not considering options, I think everybody would prefer to see Hutch and Stroman as the #4/5 given the current depth chart, but that's just not very likely to happen in the context of the current roster.

 

That's not the Jays style; The spots are guaranteed since January. Right?

[o2cui2i]

As long as AA is fired when they miss the playoffs this isn't a worst-case scenario.

 

absolutely... any direction that leaves the successor with a farm to work with is a plus going forward.

[Laika]

That's not the Jays style; The spots are guaranteed since January. Right?

 

Well I imagine that one of the #4/5 spots right now is basically Happ's to lose.

[Angrioter]

Well I imagine that one of the #4/5 spots right now is basically Happ's to lose.

 

1-Dickey

2-Morrow

3-Buehrle

4-Happ

5-Rogers vs Hutchison vs Redmond vs Ohka

[Caper]

absolutely... any direction that leaves the successor with a farm to work with is a plus going forward.

 

Why would you fire a guy that built one of the best farm systems in baseball.... Twice? He's made some mistakes for sure... I'm sure he'd take moves back if he could.

[o2cui2i]

1-Dickey

2-Morrow

3-Buehrle

4-Happ

5-Rogers vs Hutchison vs Redmond vs Ohka

 

considering that Morrow has never completed a full season as a starter the jays are going to be in trouble if that's all they have. I think Stroman has a chance to be in the rotation fairly early in the season, but he's doesn't have a full season under his belt either. so basically it's Dickey and Buerhle.... yikes!

[jays4life19]

Doesn't even necessarily have to be a major upgrade for the trade to be worth it.

 

 

 

One of my points was "upgrade Moises Sierra". You don't exactly need a baseball Costco to find a selection of better RHB platoon guys with a bit of defensive utility.

 

It's puzzling how we haven't signed Jeff Baker. The fit is so obvious...

[3 Strikes I am Out]

this is what it feels like most years as a Bengals fan

[KingKat]

1-Dickey

2-Morrow

3-Buehrle

4-Happ

5-Rogers vs Hutchison vs Redmond vs Ohka

 

Ohka is not in the running. He's not even a good knuckleballer but he will give Jimenez some valuable practice catching it which is the only reason he'll be around.

[Laika]

It's puzzling how we haven't signed Jeff Baker. The fit is so obvious...

 

Agents: Scott Boras [*]

 

Also, it's not like Jeff Baker is particularly good at baseball.

[jays4life19]

Agents: Scott Boras [*]

 

Also, it's not like Jeff Baker is particularly good at baseball.

 

Did not know that Boras was his agent.

 

true, but he would be good in the Mark Derosa role. He can platoon for Lind and be used at 2nd base in a pinch.

[Angrioter]

Ohka is not in the running. He's not even a good knuckleballer but he will give Jimenez some valuable practice catching it which is the only reason he'll be around.

 

Are you sure?

This organization is in love with the knuckleball; JFas is partly to blame.

[Dr Negative]

I found this helpful chart which I think could be used to accurately represent the state of the AL East

 

http://i.imgur.com/H3LjdZD.png

[TheHurl]

he would be good in the Mark Derosa role.

 

Has Jeff Baker been offered a broadcasting job yet?

[Smokey]

I actually think with all this focus on the rotation, the team's lack of positional depth is being strongly overlooked. Reyes is pretty much the only above average middle infielder on this team and there is no guarantee that his legs will hold up for a full year on the turf (I know last year was a fluke but still). Lawrie or Edwin are also the only real options at the corners and an injury to either one could be devastating considering the other options and the fact that we're still missing a legit right-handed bat to platoon with Lind. The outfield is in a slightly better shape with Gose as the 4th OFer but he's also far from a sure thing offensively.

 

Unfortunate Alex seems to have his blinders on again and is completely neglecting the area that's easiest to fix.

[mitchf]

I would rather AA do nothing, finish the season with a mediocre record and get fired; than have him pull a Jack Z, make a bunch of s***** moves to try and save his job, miss the playoffs while setting us back 5+ years, and then get fired.

This. This. This.

 

f*** so many of you guys don't see the bigger picture here. Alex doesn't have a move to make unless it involves trading our best prospects.

 

Also what's bad about having one of Stroman or Hutch start? Goins clearly isn't a piece or anything, but at least the guy can play defense. We're not sacrificing both sides of the game a la JPA and that's a blessing.

[Smokey]

Ohka is not in the running. He's not even a good knuckleballer but he will give Jimenez some valuable practice catching it which is the only reason he'll be around.

 

I don't get this.. if Ohka is not a good knuckleballer, meaning his pitches don't have much movement, how's he providing any value to a catcher?

[jaysblue]

Is it really so hard to make a trade for Ackley or Franklin? Jesus f***

 

Or even Espinosa lol

[Caper]

I actually think with all this focus on the rotation, the team's lack of positional depth is being strongly overlooked. Reyes is pretty much the only above average middle infielder on this team and there is no guarantee that his legs will hold up for a full year on the turf (I know last year was a fluke but still). Lawrie or Edwin are also the only real options at the corners and an injury to either one could be devastating considering the other options and the fact that we're still missing a legit right-handed bat to platoon with Lind. The outfield is in a slightly better shape with Gose as the 4th OFer but he's also far from a sure thing offensively.

 

Unfortunate Alex seems to have his blinders on again and is completely neglecting the area that's easiest to fix.

 

Reyes sucks defensively.