Omar Infante seeking 4 years 40M - Signs with KC Royals

[TwistedLogic]

Whats so funny? Steamer has Infante at .288 / .325 and Izturis at .257 / .316. So are trying to tell me that that tiny projected increase is worth an extra $6M per season x 4? I'd rather use that $6M per season towards signing Garza or some other starter or to be used on Tanaka's salary (if we win the bidding).

 

From the beginning of documented MLB history (1871) till now (2013), without any requirements for plate appearance (0 PA), there have been 78,673 different player seasons.

 

Maicer Izturis's 2013 season was the 93rd worst overall season in that time.

 

Every year of documented baseball, every player, every position, no requirement for minimum PA.

 

There were 78,580 times out of a possible 78,673, where a player was more valuable than Maicer Izturis was last year, putting his 2013 season in the bottom 0.1%, in the very anals (sic) of baseball history.

 

It was the 18th worst season by a second baseman, ever (out of a possible 7,222).

 

Over the past three seasons, Izturis has provided a total of 0.7 WAR, while Infante has provided 8.1 WAR over that time.

After comparing those two players and saying "pass" on Infante, you could eat s*** and your mouth would probably be cleaner.

[Howard Roark]

So you wouldn't take a 3rd and 4th year, when in your scenario, they're essentially free.

 

You're right. Derping it up real good.

 

Awww you're just adorable today. Rage on, champ.

[Brenner]

Pass, I am fine with Infante and all but if we are going to add that kind of coin it should be to improve SP. There are cheaper/younger options out there who have the potential to be just as good.

[jays_fever]

Can we just go out and overpay for Philips already. At least it would bring an end to all these crazy rumors.

[TwistedLogic]

f*** Phillips. The guy is such a douchebag. The Reds were going to trade him to the Yankees and he said he'd only waive his no-trade clause if they re-opened his contract and gave him more money. He's already overpaid, and I wouldn't be surprised if Infante outperforms him next year, while being paid less money and without costing any valuable players in trade.

 

f*** Phillips.

[leaffie]

f*** Phillips. The guy is such a douchebag. The Reds were going to trade him to the Yankees and he said he'd only waive his no-trade clause if they re-opened his contract and gave him more money. He's already overpaid, and I wouldn't be surprised if Infante outperforms him next year, while being paid less money and without costing any valuable players in trade.

 

f*** Phillips.

 

Kennedy on XM, says the Reds are desperate to get rid of Phillips because of clubhouse issues. FWIW

[Chappy]

Kennedy on XM, says the Reds are desperate to get rid of Phillips because of clubhouse issues. FWIW

 

AA won't shy away from that. If the price is right, go for it. But no f***ing way Rasmus should be a part of that deal unless we're getting Bailey as well.

[Sammy225]

AA won't shy away from that. If the price is right, go for it. But no f***ing way Rasmus should be a part of that deal unless we're getting Bailey as well.

 

We like players with club house issues lol.

[Dr. Dinger]

f*** Phillips. The guy is such a douchebag. The Reds were going to trade him to the Yankees and he said he'd only waive his no-trade clause if they re-opened his contract and gave him more money. He's already overpaid, and I wouldn't be surprised if Infante outperforms him next year, while being paid less money and without costing any valuable players in trade.

 

f*** Phillips.

 

HAVE YOU EVER EVEN PLAYED BASEBALL!? Phillips led all 2Bs in RzBI sucka.

[Dr. Dinger]

Fat motherf***er. I'm tired of you talking that negative s*** on our team, dog. I found out your Twitter name now, motherf***er. It's a wrap!

[Angrioter]

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[Chappy]

Reds apparently very interested in Infante. Would need to move Phillips first, but this could mean something is brewing.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/reds-interested-in-omar-infante.html

[TwistedLogic]

As far as I know (I could be wrong), Phillips has 10-and-5 rights and will only waive his no-trade clause if he gets more money. I assume so because if he put up that kind of a condition to go to the Yankees (in a trade that was getting the Reds Gardner, no less), it can only be worse for every other team. He's also outright said in the past that he doesn't do home-town discounts.

 

Yes in the hypothetical world where we buy low on him the way we did Escobar and Rasmus, I'm all for it. In the real world, even if we somehow acquired him on his current salary, he'd have a 50/4 contract from 2014-onwards. With the attached "club-house attitude" and the relentless greed for money, paired with the fact that it will take significant assets to acquire him (eg: Gardner), I don't want to go anywhere near this guy.

 

I also don't understand the s*** about buying low on players with attitude problems (I'm all for it) if you're just going to sell them cheap as hell for attitude problems a year or two later (Escobar).

[Howard Roark]

2/25. Do it Alex. Go out in style.

[bendera3]

I'd almost prefer to try to get Mark Ellis for a year and see if Zobrist's club option is exercised by Tampa. In all likelihood it will be but if we can't find a controllable, young, second baseman (cough Mariners cough) or a player who is older and incredibly durable and versatile like Zobrist, I'd prefer to go shorter term year to year on a 2nd baseman.

[TwistedLogic]

Since, among other issues, none of the three pitching options mentioned have ever thrown a full season of MLB innings, nor have they accumulated 1 WAR during any particular MLB season, let's hold off on saying they can safely contribute that amount of WAR over an amount of innings they've never contributed.

 

It's not a stretch to say that the Jays current options for the 5th starter role could combine for 1 WAR.

[gruber92]

From the beginning of documented MLB history (1871) till now (2013), without any requirements for plate appearance (0 PA), there have been 78,673 different player seasons.

 

Maicer Izturis's 2013 season was the 93rd worst overall season in that time.

 

Every year of documented baseball, every player, every position, no requirement for minimum PA.

 

There were 78,580 times out of a possible 78,673, where a player was more valuable than Maicer Izturis was last year, putting his 2013 season in the bottom 0.1%, in the very anals (sic) of baseball history.

 

It was the 18th worst season by a second baseman, ever (out of a possible 7,222).

 

Over the past three seasons, Izturis has provided a total of 0.7 WAR, while Infante has provided 8.1 WAR over that time.

After comparing those two players and saying "pass" on Infante, you could eat s*** and your mouth would probably be cleaner.

 

How about i take that 4/40 that you would agree with and ram it down your throat followed by a nice hot diarrhea chaser. Little f***ing internet tough guy. Infante would be an upgrade at 2B, but $10M per x 4 ?

 

Holy f***.

[gruber92]

Even the loose pocketed Yankees are only going 3/24 on Infante. f*** me..

[TwistedLogic]

How adorable.

[TwistedLogic]

It's not a stretch to say that the SP issue is far more complicated than worrying about whether those 3, or some other combination of like-kind never-done-its, will contribute 1 WAR as a 5th starter, and it's also not a stretch to assume that Izturis will approach 1 WAR next year, which is still horrid, of course.

 

I think it's a pretty long stretch actually to assume that Izturis will be a 1-WAR player in 2014. He hasn't been that since 2010.

 

I think there's a much bigger chance that between Happ, Stroman, Hutchison, Drabek, Redmond, etc, etc, you can find a guy that will give you 1 win.

 

Btw I saw your twitter name was esoterik? Was that your name on the PSD forum too?

 

I remember you being hated by a lot of people and your girly avatar lol

 

Yup, people tend to hate those that don't conform to their ignorance or their hive mentality.

 

See: above.

[Howard Roark]

Even the loose pocketed Yankees are only going 3/24 on Infante. f*** me..

 

Hah. Nice. Even if AA overpaid we'd get good value most likely. Easiest position to raise our WAR at, now that they've semi-addressed C for a season maybe. We get this guy, and a #3 or better SP, and we only need the rotation to really break our way to have a decent shot at around 90 wins.

[TwistedLogic]

Or 2011, whichever is 2011 and not 2010.

 

And, going by the "safe assumption based on a full season," he would have qualified in 2012, as well, having only logged less than 2/3 of a season's worth of ABs while accumulating the lofty total of 0.8 WAR.

 

And there's probably a good chance you can find a waiver fodder/AAAA 2B to give you near 1.0 WAR through a particular stretch if something goes wrong with Izturis. And there's probably a good chance that some of those schmoes listed above will be called upon to fill one or more of the other 4 SP slots during the season as well, which is an obvious complicating factor (the need for 5 SPs and habitual injury concerns v. the need for one 2B).

 

Nobody is saying that we don't need SP. Some of us just think that 2B is a bigger concern. Especially based on much more focused Alex seems on upgrading SP than he does on doing anything for second base.

[jays4life19]

I think 3 years at 30 million with a team option for a 4th @ 10 million with a 1.5 million buyout would be enough to get it done.

 

I could get behind that.

[xposbrad]

I'd rather we overpay him for 2 years than 4. Those 2 or more extra wins from 2nd base are easily worth 15 mil a year for the next 2 seasons for a club stuck around 85.

 

Edit: if he'd do 2/25 then even better, but likely you have to blow him out of the water to get him to accept less than 3 yrs.

 

lol 12.5 or 15m for Infante??????? are you his agent or something? I wouldn't go over 9m a year for him, at the most. That would beat the yanks 3/24 offer.

[Frenchsoup]

I'd like us to get Ellis over Infante. You can probably get him for like 2/12.

[jays4life19]

I'd like us to get Ellis over Infante. You can probably get him for like 2/12.

 

Agreed with this.

 

At the end of the day though...2nd base needs to be addressed somehow.

[gruber92]

Nobody is saying that we don't need SP. Some of us just think that 2B is a bigger concern. Especially based on much more focused Alex seems on upgrading SP than he does on doing anything for second base.

 

That's because upgrading the SP is a bigger priority than upgrading 2B, unless it was with Cano or Phillips, Kinsler types,or possibly in a trade for Profar. Spending $10-12M per on a second baseman like Infante is f***ing ridiculous. He plays an average defense also,so WTF?

[jays4life19]

That's because upgrading the SP is a bigger priority than upgrading 2B, unless it was with Cano or Phillips, Kinsler types,or possibly in a trade for Profar. Spending $10-12M per on a second baseman like Infante is f***ing ridiculous. He plays an average defense also,so WTF?

 

Steamers has Phillips projected at 2.4 War.

Infante is projected at 2.2 War.

....Considering Infante will come cheaper and won't cost assets to obtain. It's fairly obvious Infante is a better option. Saying that, i agree SP is a bigger need right now.

[gruber92]

I was all for signing Infante last month,when i thought he could be had for 2/19 or 3/22-24. AA would also have to find a trade partner for Izturis in this case,as paying Izzy $4M to be a bench player makes no sense. After his horrible 2013,AA would be hard pressed in getting any value for him. I would love an Infante / Goins combo at 2B, but not for 4/40.

[gruber92]

Steamers has Phillips projected at 2.4 War.

Infante is projected at 2.2 War.

....Considering Infante will come cheaper and won't cost assets to obtain. It's fairly obvious Infante is a better option. Saying that, i agree SP is a bigger need right now.

 

Agreed on Phillips,but he does have the ability to post a 4-5 WAR season,where that is extremely unlikely with Infante. There is also no comparison defensively speaking,as Phillips is a solid defender. Don't know how much weight can be applied to him being a clubhouse cancer.