Omar Infante seeking 4 years 40M - Signs with KC Royals

[Angrioter]

Ken_Rosenthal

Sources: Uribe to return to #Dodgers for two years.

[Gorlak]

I don't see how the Miami trade was bad, Sure the Jays didn't win the world series, but the move was praised at the time. The Dickey trade was done because the trade had to be budget neutral, so AA had no other options if he wanted to bring in an ace.

 

The only trades he has made that I thought were bad at the time was the Napoli trade because it seemed like he took the first offer and the Bonifacio trade because he sold low for no discernible reason, Makes me think he was bad in the clubhouse.

[KingKat]

If I remember correctly (I could have this backwards), Aviles and Gomes were traded for Esmil Rogers before Izturis was signed.

 

Correct. They were deep in negotiations but he hadn't yet signed.

[Laika]

Someone just said it on Twitter - Giavotella wouldn't be an entirely terrible 2B option.

[Angrioter]

Someone just said it on Twitter - Giavotella wouldn't be an entirely terrible 2B option.

 

Giavotella 2B - Ransom 3B - Mazzela SS and Collabello 1B

 

Great names

[GD]

Giavotella has a career 65 wRC+ and -2.7 Fld/season.

 

Why?

[jaysblue]

Giavotella has a career 65 wRC+ and -2.7 Fld/season.

 

Why?

 

Danny Espinosa is the best option. Seriously, I'm shocked AA hasn't acquired him yet. He loves making trades.

[Laika]

Giavotella has a career 65 wRC+ and -2.7 Fld/season.

 

Why?

 

Small SS. Minor league numbers are pretty good and projections aren't exactly pessimistic, and rightly so. He's not a good 2B or anything but hed be better than Izturis, and probably almost free.

[Laika]

Danny Espinosa is the best option. Seriously, I'm shocked AA hasn't acquired him yet. He loves making trades.

 

They probably want too much for him. The same reasons that you want him are reasons that the Nats would want a solid return for him.

 

Last I read they are fine with keeping him as their Util guy next year. That's excellent depth if you're a team gunning for the playoffs.

[GD]

Small SS. Minor league numbers are pretty good and projections aren't exactly pessimistic, and rightly so. He's not a good 2B or anything but hed be better than Izturis, and probably almost free.

 

Fair enough, although there are a few others I'd look into before that (guys like Ellis, Esponisa, Drew, Alexei)

[TheHurl]

Someone just said it on Twitter - Giavotella wouldn't be an entirely terrible 2B option.

 

Cost would be low, still has an option and some OBP upside. Not a bad idea.

[xposbrad]

AA keeps going in circles for whatever reason. He traded Aviles, who can play SS and 2B, and Gomes who, it turned out, could really catch and actually hit last year. He then traded both Escobar, and I know he was probably told to release him, and Hech in the Marlins trade. Then he traded D'Arnaud to the Mets. He had also traded Perez to the Astros in July 2012. So basically he has completely destroyed the depth the organization had up the middle and he did it in a span of about 4 months. I guess we could add Marisnick since he's a CF, but they still have Gose.

 

To make matters worse, most of the above-mentioned assets were traded to address the team's starting pitching. So guess what? He has spent this whole off season AGAIN trying to improve the team's starting pitching as well as addressing holes up the middle which he created by trading players who were slated to fill these very positions, gotta love it. What really bothers me is how no one in the media scrutinizes what he has done. Who knows

 

Those are very good points you brought up. But in baseball, and a lot of sports in general, you have a revolving door of players due to contracts/injuries/performance issues etc.. I think to sum it up, there's no plan. They targeted the wrong set of players in trades and have struggled in FA and with international players in completing the rest of the puzzle. This offseason isn't over, and you know AA is set on a trade. I doubt it will impact the team much because I still see several holes. I don't think there are enough moves AA can do this offseason to make this a playoff team, that's my opinion and we'll see what the Vegas odds are come spring training.

[TheHurl]

AA keeps going in circles for whatever reason. He traded Aviles, who can play SS and 2B, and Gomes who, it turned out, could really catch and actually hit last year. He then traded both Escobar, and I know he was probably told to release him, and Hech in the Marlins trade. Then he traded D'Arnaud to the Mets. He had also traded Perez to the Astros in July 2012. So basically he has completely destroyed the depth the organization had up the middle and he did it in a span of about 4 months. I guess we could add Marisnick since he's a CF, but they still have Gose.

 

To make matters worse, most of the above-mentioned assets were traded to address the team's starting pitching. So guess what? He has spent this whole off season AGAIN trying to improve the team's starting pitching as well as addressing holes up the middle which he created by trading players who were slated to fill these very positions, gotta love it. What really bothers me is how no one in the media scrutinizes what he has done. Who knows

 

simply put. He got fixated on building a 25 man roster rather than a system.

[KingKat]

simply put. He got fixated on building a 25 man roster rather than a system.

 

If that's the case then why was the 25 man roster so poorly constructed? Big defensive holes at 2B and C and no backup SS behind Reyes. I think the issue is that he built a lineup and bench only to score runs and put all the responsibility for run prevention on the pitching. It was a good team when you just added up the projected WAR but the parts didn't fit. Defensive lineups, park factors, these things matters. Run prevention is a hollistic thing, it's not just spending money on pitching.

[TheHurl]

If that's the case then why was the 25 man roster so poorly constructed? Big defensive holes at 2B and C and no backup SS behind Reyes. I think the issue is that he built a lineup and bench only to score runs and put all the responsibility for run prevention on the pitching. It was a good team when you just added up the projected WAR but the parts didn't fit. Defensive lineups, park factors, these things matters. Run prevention is a hollistic thing, it's not just spending money on pitching.

 

I didn't say he was good at it. He doesn't look at defense at all, when he does it's old scouting reports or someone who went and watched a player for a series.

[Angrioter]

If that's the case then why was the 25 man roster so poorly constructed? Big defensive holes at 2B and C and no backup SS behind Reyes. I think the issue is that he built a lineup and bench only to score runs and put all the responsibility for run prevention on the pitching. It was a good team when you just added up the projected WAR but the parts didn't fit. Defensive lineups, park factors, these things matters. Run prevention is a hollistic thing, it's not just spending money on pitching.

 

Are talking about Ryan Hanigan?

 

In your model (I support you) Rasmus would be easily replaced by Gose.

Rasmus for pitching, no Butler

[KingKat]

Are talking about Ryan Hanigan?

 

No because I was thinking more of last off-season but Hanigan is a good example of a player who could really impact a team's run prevention and who is a lot more realistic target than front-line pitching.

Edited February 18, 2015 by KingKat

[Angrioter]

No because I was thinking more of last off-season but Hanigan is a good example of a player who ccould really impact a team's run prevention and who is a lot more realistic target than front-line pitching.

 

What would be your ideal model, 2-3 months ago?

 

Trade for Hanigan and/or Gentry

Trade Rasmus for Pitching

Sign Infante

[KingKat]

What would be your ideal model, 2-3 months ago?

 

Trade for Hanigan and/or Gentry

Trade Rasmus for Pitching

Sign Infante

 

Firstly, try to do as much as possible through free agency and try to do it early. Ruiz, Ellis and Kazmir would have been my preffered targets. I don't know if you fit all three of the payroll space but I wouldn't have hesitated to salary dump Santos for some wiggle room although Ideally I would have moved him in a trade for Bourjos. With someone like Bourjos in place, Rasmus is moveable but with only Gose in place, it's a pretty scarry propostion.

 

Of course, those are all hypotheticals that may or may not have been in the cards but one thing I would have done for sure is not compartmentalize free agents by position. Make a list of who can fill your holes whether 2B, catcher or starting pitcher and only narrow the focus if and when certain holes get filled.

 

I'd shop Lind around for a true LF. I'd sacrifice some offense to put more defensive value on the roster and I'd hope that Melky can hold up offensively at DH. It's better than hoping for him to hold up offensively and defensively at LF.

[TheHurl]

Danny Espinosa is the best option. Seriously, I'm shocked AA hasn't acquired him yet. He loves making trades.

 

1st. AA likes his moves for starters to be for stats/names he can sell a ticket on.

2nd What makes you think that Espinosa recovers? It's not like he went down to AAA and found his bat, he just kept getting worse all year. His D isn't better than Goins IMO, so can his bat be that much better? If he recovers...it also means dealing with Boras in arbitration.

[Angrioter]

Firstly, try to do as much as possible through free agency and try to do it early. Ruiz, Ellis and Kazmir would have been my preffered targets. I don't know if you fit all three of the payroll space but I wouldn't have hesitated to salary dump Santos for some wiggle room although Ideally I would have moved him in a trade for Bourjos. With someone like Bourjos in place, Rasmus is moveable but with only Gose in place, it's a pretty scarry propostion.

 

Of course, those are all hypotheticals that may or may not have been in the cards but one thing I would have done for sure is not compartmentalize free agents by position. Make a list of who can fill your holes whether 2B, catcher or starting pitcher and only narrow the focus if and when certain holes get filled.

 

I'd shop Lind around for a true LF. I'd sacrifice some offense to put more defensive value on the roster and I'd hope that Melky can hold up offensively at DH. It's better than hoping for him to hold up offensively and defensively at LF.

 

I like it, but Ellis does not enter my equation based on his age and the turf issue.