AA may have to get creative with payroll

[Frenchsoup]

Sorry I don't like the idea of giving players like Izturis multi year contracts when we can get the same package from guys making no money. Its 3 million a season that can be better allocated elsewhere. Hes not worth filling a bench spot. Hes a poor defender and he doesn't provide much with the bat.

 

Izturis and Happ are dead weight.

 

Not sure why Happ gets all this hate, he was our best starter the first month then struggled. He got his brain smashed and then came back strong the last month. He made the mechanical change at the end of the year that seemed to have him throwing more strikes and that was a big problem with him getting into deep counts and upping his pitch count. I would be fine with him as our number 5.

[oakville69]

This whole 150 million to work with is conjecture at its finest. Chisolm and Davidi haven't a f***ing clue what the budget is, or will be.

 

Bob MCccowan made a comment on PTS that someone at the Rogers ( Beeston ?) told him the budget would be $150M in 2014.

[jaysblue]

Why who cares where he starts?

 

I don't care where he starts when the season opens…that doest make a difference. I should have reworded my post if I confused you. Right now at this time, this team should consider him as just a No. 4 or 5, nothing more (especially if they are serious about contending next season). He's not a No. 2 by any stretch of the imagination until he proves he can go out and give this team 200 innings. Morrow definitely has shown the potential to be a No. 2 starter in the past, and I've always been a huge fan. Though I don't want the Jays to solely rely on him carrying this rotation. They need to acquire one or preferably two pitchers who are "No. 2's or 3's" to slot into this rotation with Dickey, Buehrle and Morrow. If Morrow makes 30 + starts, and realizes his potential, then that would be huge next season.

[Fearthedoc]

I don't care where he starts when the season opens…that doest make a difference. I should have reworded my post if I confused you. Right now at this time, this team should consider him as just a No. 4 or 5, nothing more (especially if they are serious about contending next season). He's not a No. 2 by any stretch of the imagination until he proves he can go out and give this team 200 innings. Morrow definitely has shown the potential to be a No. 2 starter in the past, and I've always been a huge fan. Though I don't want the Jays to solely rely on him carrying this rotation. They need to acquire one or preferably two pitchers who are "No. 2's or 3's" to slot into this rotation with Dickey, Buehrle and Morrow. If Morrow makes 30 + starts, and realizes his potential, then that would be huge next season.

 

I completely agree. He certainly has the potential to be a #2 next season, but if you pencil him in for #2 production and build the rest of your rotation expecting that; it would be a huge mistake. Lets hope for at least 160 IP and anything more is a bonus.

[ElNik2013]

So if the payroll is 150M, AA would have around 15M to spend this off season. If he can trade Happ and Janssen, that would free up close to 10M more, but I doubt he can get much for Janssen since there are several FA closer types out there. 150M is also almost twice the 2012 budget and the farm system has gone from top 10, arguably 5, to bottom 10. No way do I want this guy handling the upcoming rebuild.

[Chappy]

You fail to mention he built that farm system from worst to top 5 as well? I'd say there system is 15-20. Janssen at 4 million this coming year is a bargain, you move him and a lefty and you get a Porcello. This is assuming he has 150 million I might add.

 

I still think it will be higher than 150 when it's all said and done, probably closer to 160, but it's all just speculation anyways.

[ElNik2013]

You fail to mention he built that farm system from worst to top 5 as well? I'd say there system is 15-20. Janssen at 4 million this coming year is a bargain, you move him and a lefty and you get a Porcello. This is assuming he has 150 million I might add.

 

 

I have no problem with giving him credit for the farm system. In fact, if he hadn't made the moves he has made over the last 18 months, starting with the Happ trade, I would be fine with him. He wouldn't be a top 5 GM, but he wouldn't be in the dumbest GM conversation. He has blown the top 10 or 5 system you mention while also doubling his team's payroll in the process.

[Pete_7]

One would have to think the budget would at least 150M

[ElNik2013]

Thanks man, I wasn't aware?!

 

 

Trying to be funny man??? You said I wasn't giving AA credit for building up a top farm system, so I replied, don't see the issue here. Anyway...

[ElNik2013]

No, I wasn't being funny, I was being facetious. The payroll numbers people keep talking about are made up, no one knows? I brought up Janssen and a lefty being moved, you just brought up what I and everyone knows about Alex dropping the ball last winter, you've been going on about it since June, over and over mate. Rinse and Repeat, believe you me, I know you're not the only one, but f***, we're stuck with AA at the very least until next October, lets see what happens between now and then. s***, atleast till February. None of us are going to change s***, that's up to Rogers/Beeston and Alex. I just get perturbed when people tell me s*** i'm already aware of? Meh, end rant and it certainly isn't aimed just at you. I'm restless and want some news or baseball, haha!!

 

 

 

Alright, fair enough haha. Let's hope AA goes back to his pre-Happ trade days and makes a few shrewd moves.

[o2cui2i]

Heh, for what it's worth, I'm more worried, than optimistic........I do think Tanaka should be a priority if posting fees don't interfere with baseball ops.

 

Tanaka makes just as much sense as Darvish did and for all the same reasons, but that didn't make Darvish happen. AA and Beeston couldn't get their s*** together when the hot deal was there and instead shot their load on some old hag of a deal.

 

I'm with you in the fear category and for lots of reasons. our front office doesn't seem to have a clue of player value in trades and out farm hasn't had a thoroughbred make it through the system in years.

 

the odds of things actually going our way seem dismal no matter how they try to do it.

 

basically our front office is getting s*** faced in the corner hoping someone drinks them pretty before they pass out. yikes...

[bendera3]

Heh, for what it's worth, I'm more worried, than optimistic........I do think Tanaka should be a priority if posting fees don't interfere with baseball ops.

 

I, for one, don't give a damn how much Roger's has to spend to get a WS banner in Toronto. If AA makes great moves and spends $30 million or spends $200 million as long as we get a championship I don't care. Tanaka would certainly help get to that goal!

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

I, for one, don't give a damn how much Roger's has to spend to get a WS banner in Toronto. If AA makes great moves and spends $30 million or spends $200 million as long as we get a championship I don't care. Tanaka would certainly help get to that goal!

 

I don't think the newer generation of Jays fans can relate to what the Gillick years were like, if they needed a player money wasn't an issue and the fans came out and filled the Sky Dome ( oversold the stadium almost every game ). I agree with you 100%, in our market there is no reason we can't spend like a Boston or maybe even New York.

 

The correct strategy is spend big right now, because we have a talented core with some rather obvious holes, and we can shed payroll easily after the next two seasons for our current players if it doesn't work out. All the talk on here about saving money, budgets, free agents not being interested etc etc is largely irrelevant to the realities of Toronto baseball. Trying to do a half ass job right now will really hurt the franchise, the fan base is fed up and will not support a losing team next season, especially if it appears we didn't compete for players this off season.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

f*** Bob McCown, he doesn't know jack s***.

 

You're right its all just bs and people just run with whatever they read on here. If the right players are interested the Jays could go to $170M ( under the tax of course ) and cut payroll significantly during or after next season if it doesn't work out. For example, simply not signing Rasmus long term cuts payroll. Giving away Reyes and Buerhle at the trading deadline next season would drastically cut payroll. We just aren't there yet. This team needs to push for 2014 and see what occurs. Way too much talent to give up, we have clear holes that can be improved substantially just by spending money.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

You do realize we have a budget, and if money didn't matter we would have already signed the most expensive free agents (Cano). You cannot think that we can just spend as much as we want, because we can't. We are limited to a budget.

 

You post this based on nothing at all. You are guessing. Has this market proven in the past that it can support a big budget team, even a top 3 budget team in the whole league ? Yes, it already happened. Anyone over age 40 on this forum is well aware of how the Jays used to operate.

[ace3113]

You do realize we have a budget, and if money didn't matter we would have already signed the most expensive free agents (Cano). You cannot think that we can just spend as much as we want, because we can't. We are limited to a budget.

 

King have you logged onto facebook and like the Tanaka page yet? C'mon, it takes just 2 seconds.

 

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[ace3113]

Are you trying to troll me about Rasmus? I agree about the cash, Rogers has large!!

 

Hey Spanky do you have two seconds to like the Tanaka facebook page? You know you want to.

 

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[Cooler Heads Prevail]

Guessing about what? Are you f***ing kidding me? Holy f***ing Jesus Christ you are dumb.

 

In all seriousness, you don't seem very intelligent to me. Not in the slightest. If you were my kid, I'd be getting you to focus more on

academics and less on baseball because something is clearly wrong with you at this point.

[ace3113]

In all seriousness, you don't seem very intelligent to me. Not in the slightest. If you were my kid, I'd be getting you to focus more on

academics and less on baseball because something is clearly wrong with you at this point.

 

CHP like this facebook page it will make King really mad.

 

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[ace3113]

I can't do it from here, send the link to my PM......and I'll send it out to 300 friends, when I check my mail tomorrow.

 

That's why you rock Spanky!

[o2cui2i]

The Jays were said to be in the running for another Japanese free-agent pitcher, Yu Darvish, two years ago before he went to the Rangers for $110 million.

 

Darvish is looking like a big bargain now.

 

I remember a lot of posters talking about how the bid and cost for Darvish was way too much. Funny how most of those are on the Tanaka train now.

[ace3113]

Darvish is looking like a big bargain now.

 

I remember a lot of posters talking about how the bid and cost for Darvish was way too much. Funny how most of those are on the Tanaka train now.

 

I def wanted Darvish at the time, though part of me worried he'd be another Daisuke, I was willing to risk it. It wasn't my money afterall. lol

 

BTW-02cui2i can I interest you in an online facebook campaign. All you have to do is log on to facebook and like the page in the link. Easy breezy.

 

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[o2cui2i]

I def wanted Darvish at the time, though part of me worried he'd be another Daisuke, I was willing to risk it. It wasn't my money afterall. lol

 

BTW-02cui2i can I interest you in an online facebook campaign. All you have to do is log on to facebook and like the page in the link. Easy breezy.

 

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already "liked"

[o2cui2i]

I don't know, the vast majority of us were supremely disappointed when the Rangers won the bidding. Maybe a couple people didn't like the risk, but a couple people won't like any given potential move.

 

the lack of understanding of the bid system scared a lot of people. I still say cash is cheaper than giving up real prospects. a company can make more money, but getting more good prospects is really hit and miss.

 

if they can get a top of the rotation guy and it's only cash... within reason, it's always the right move.

[Angrioter]

Most of them posters are here?!

 

http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?nav=messages&webtag=ml-bluejays

 

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