Stoeten "Life is bloody complicated"

[Olerud363]

Believe me I hear the feedback and I am sick of these Stoeten threads myself. I absolutely positively was not going to post any... for a while... maybe for good...

 

until I saw this.

 

http://blogs.thescore.com/djf/2013/10/07/coaching-carousel-dwayne-murphy-chad-mottola-out/#more-19476

 

Money quote

 

"Life is bloody complicated. Ignoring that and trying to reduce its complicated questions into the most dull-headed binary ones imaginable does nothing to bring you closer to The Right Way. Posturing like you’re damn sure you know what’s going on in a room when you’re only able to look in through the keyhole is ridiculous." - Stoeten

 

Life is indeed bloody complicated. It is also, sometimes, a lottery. Competent people can lose because of luck. Incompetent people can get prestigous jobs for being in the right spot at the right time. The mayor of Toronto can be a crackhead, the leaders of wallstreet can crash the world economy, the government of the world's most powerful country can't even agree to fund itself... but according to Stoeten it's utterly infeasible that the leaders of Toronto's mlb baseball team can be idiots.

 

There is a lot of luck involved in life. And the luck can work both ways. The Beest, AA, all of them, could be amazingly competent and just hit by bad luck. But on the other hand maybe they really are idiots. Who knows. Apparently Stoeten I guess.

[GD]

Ugh, O. I really gave this one a shot. I read it through and through and his article through and through. But this is just pathetic. It's just another Stoeten article and your obsession is getting creepy. You need to stop. It's annoying as f***.

[Angrioter]

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Ugh, O. I really gave this one a shot. I read it through and through and his article through and through. But this is just pathetic. It's just another Stoeten article and your obsession is getting creepy. You need to stop. It's annoying as f***.

 

There is something seriously wrong with this Olerud guy. The guy has some really troubling mental issues.

[TBJ12]

Ugh, O. I really gave this one a shot. I read it through and through and his article through and through. But this is just pathetic. It's just another Stoeten article and your obsession is getting creepy. You need to stop. It's annoying as f***.

 

Says the annoying 13 year old know it all.

Edited October 8, 2013 by TBJ12

[Olerud363]

Maybe if we're evaluating them based only on the team's record. That really isn't the case though. Several roster decisions made by this group are inexplicable unless you assume that they have absolutely no idea what they're doing.

 

Obviously you don't think management is competent. And at this point that's a reasonable point of view.

 

And that is why I keep bringing this up. His argument is always that we don't know for sure what is happening. And I concede that point. But it works both ways. Stoeten gives them benefit of the doubt... you don't. We don't know exactly what's going on... and that means both points of view are reasonable.... that's the definition of "don't know".

[Dr. Dinger]

What is with your bizarre Stoeten obsession? He's neither a celebrity nor a respected journalist. Get a f***ing life already.

[Olerud363]

Ugh, O. I really gave this one a shot. I read it through and through and his article through and through. But this is just pathetic. It's just another Stoeten article and your obsession is getting creepy. You need to stop. It's annoying as f***.

 

You'll probably get this a little more when you've lived some life. In any institution the media is important. I am assuming you've never gone to University, held a job, voted, run a household, paid taxes, maybe even never gone to highschool.

 

You want to be president of your school?? CEO of a fortune 500 company?? Manager of the local burger king?? Politics and media are important. It helps to get the right people on your side.

 

You want to effect change?? Stop a war?? Save the planet?? Make a lot of money somehow without doing much work?? Again media and politics are important.

 

Stoeten is just an interesting figure because at one time he was the edgy, counter-culture, guy... who'd call out crap when he saw it. Now he's the "rational-benefit of the doubt" guy. Quite a change that coincide with his blog being bought by a larger coorporation (not Rogers).

 

This team has a history of "controlling the message" going back to the Wilner suspension. As others have pointed out the media really doesn't look into things to deeply, or ask to many hard questions, and now we have this Stoeten who was asking hard questions, but all of a sudden isn't.

[Olerud363]

What is with your bizarre Stoeten obsession? He's neither a celebrity nor a respected journalist. Get a f***ing life already.

 

For a lot of people Stoeten was the "voice of joe fan". Just curious how old you are?? Stoeten played a roll like Scott Adams (creator of Dilbert) played in the early to mid 90s. Dilbert was an edgy cartoon at one time that called out coorporate America.

 

People of a certain age experienced life a little differently, the Blue Jays were champions and were gonna rebound from a couple bad seasons in the mid 90s, the economy was roaring, unemployment was 3%, everybody and anybody could get a job, there was no conflict in the middle east (or atleast that we cared to notice), Magic Johnson had aids... but he didn't die (and still hasn't) science and the internet were gonna save us all.

 

But behind the scenes a guy named bin laden was scheming, the economy was a mirage and run by idiots, the internet was mostly gonna give us porn and message boards to slag each other on....

 

And Scott Adams kind of called it... his cartoons were basically, hey everything looks great... but uhhh... take notice of who is actually running things. Then when it all went to hell (right after they went after Clinton for getting a blow job in the oval office) Scott Adams sold out too. Basically started generating his cartoons with some software, making even more money with and in coorporate america and left us all behind...

 

So that's Stoeten. He was the voice of the fan... now he seems to be the voice of the regime.

[Olerud363]

There is something seriously wrong with this Olerud guy. The guy has some really troubling mental issues.

 

I have no problem with anybody and everybody slagging me. It's a message board right?

 

If I have you right you are the small time financial advisor from the maritimes?? Correct?? We've been at it before regarding the efficient market theory. Obviously you (like Stoeten) have a vested financial interest in certain arguments. For example you have to slag the efficient market theory in order to make money. And I know, your brilliant professor proved the efficient market theory wrong. I probably called you out on a few things. I am no fan of small time financial advisors.

 

I just hope your opinion of me is solely because of the lack of quality of my posts, the smallness and cruelty in my opinions, the lack of logic, the obvious mental problems, etc. etc. etc. In that case.,,. you are correct and have a great point of view, as good as anybody's atleast.

 

But if your opinion of me relates to our past arguments on the state and morality of the finance and investment advisor profession... then I can't take you seriously.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Ugh, O. I really gave this one a shot. I read it through and through and his article through and through. But this is just pathetic. It's just another Stoeten article and your obsession is getting creepy. You need to stop. It's annoying as f***.[/quote

 

Says the annoying 13 year old know it all.

 

There's no way GD is 13 or 16, or whatever he claims to be.

[GeorgiaPeach]

You'll probably get this a little more when you've lived some life. In any institution the media is important. I am assuming you've never gone to University, held a job, voted, run a household, paid taxes, maybe even never gone to highschool.

 

You want to be president of your school?? CEO of a fortune 500 company?? Manager of the local burger king?? Politics and media are important. It helps to get the right people on your side.

 

You want to effect change?? Stop a war?? Save the planet?? Make a lot of money somehow without doing much work?? Again media and politics are important.

 

Stoeten is just an interesting figure because at one time he was the edgy, counter-culture, guy... who'd call out crap when he saw it. Now he's the "rational-benefit of the doubt" guy. Quite a change that coincide with his blog being bought by a larger coorporation (not Rogers).

 

This team has a history of "controlling the message" going back to the Wilner suspension. As others have pointed out the media really doesn't look into things to deeply, or ask to many hard questions, and now we have this Stoeten who was asking hard questions, but all of a sudden isn't.

 

If they controlled his message, wouldn't his blogs be free of profanity-laced tirades?

[GeorgiaPeach]

For a lot of people Stoeten was the "voice of joe fan". Just curious how old you are?? Stoeten played a roll like Scott Adams (creator of Dilbert) played in the early to mid 90s. Dilbert was an edgy cartoon at one time that called out coorporate America.

 

People of a certain age experienced life a little differently, the Blue Jays were champions and were gonna rebound from a couple bad seasons in the mid 90s, the economy was roaring, unemployment was 3%, everybody and anybody could get a job, there was no conflict in the middle east (or atleast that we cared to notice), Magic Johnson had aids... but he didn't die (and still hasn't) science and the internet were gonna save us all.

 

But behind the scenes a guy named bin laden was scheming, the economy was a mirage and run by idiots, the internet was mostly gonna give us porn and message boards to slag each other on....

 

And Scott Adams kind of called it... his cartoons were basically, hey everything looks great... but uhhh... take notice of who is actually running things. Then when it all went to hell (right after they went after Clinton for getting a blow job in the oval office) Scott Adams sold out too. Basically started generating his cartoons with some software, making even more money with and in coorporate america and left us all behind...

 

So that's Stoeten. He was the voice of the fan... now he seems to be the voice of the regime.

 

I beg to differ on Stoeten being the "voice of the fan" ever. Seriously....go to a game and look at how people behave or listen to conversations around you. As a collective they never were or are even close to what Stoeten has ever been.

 

I've never like the guy, but he's miles better than the Jays fans who attend games.

[Olerud363]

There is something seriously wrong with this Olerud guy. The guy has some really troubling mental issues.

 

And just so people know the status or our past arguments...

 

Could some of the big boys on Wall Street using ultra secretive proprietary strategies, using vast pools of money from the superrich, and dealing with rare and complicated assett classes beat the market?? Others are more qualified to answer but it's atleast a reasonable premise.

 

Could EastCoastJaysFan, spending much time on this message board (3 times as many posts as mentally unstable, unemployed loser, Olerud363), working out of Halifax(I think?), working with pools of money from local fisherman and charging them ridiculous fees, possibly being on the other end of trades with the big boys (someone has to... right??)... could he beat the market under these conditions?

 

Completely different question.

[Angrioter]

I beg to differ on Stoeten being the "voice of the fan" ever. Seriously....go to a game and look at how people behave or listen to conversations around you. As a collective they never were or are even close to what Stoeten has ever been.

 

I've never like the guy, but he's miles better than the Jays fans who attend games.

 

what do you think about the analysis capacity of Canadians about baseball?

[connorp]

What in the f*** is this thread..lol..

 

I made it to bin laden scheming and Magic having HIV

[eastcoastjaysfan]

I have no problem with anybody and everybody slagging me. It's a message board right?

 

If I have you right you are the small time financial advisor from the maritimes?? Correct?? We've been at it before regarding the efficient market theory. Obviously you (like Stoeten) have a vested financial interest in certain arguments. For example you have to slag the efficient market theory in order to make money. And I know, your brilliant professor proved the efficient market theory wrong. I probably called you out on a few things. I am no fan of small time financial advisors.

 

I just hope your opinion of me is solely because of the lack of quality of my posts, the smallness and cruelty in my opinions, the lack of logic, the obvious mental problems, etc. etc. etc. In that case.,,. you are correct and have a great point of view, as good as anybody's atleast.

 

But if your opinion of me relates to our past arguments on the state and morality of the finance and investment advisor profession... then I can't take you seriously.

 

lol Where did you get "small time financial advisor from the Maritimes" from? I can assure you that this is not the case.

 

When did I ever argue with you about market theory? I cannot remember ever having a conversation with you, ever.

 

Jesus man you need some serious help.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

And just so people know the status or our past arguments...

 

Could some of the big boys on Wall Street using ultra secretive proprietary strategies, using vast pools of money from the superrich, and dealing with rare and complicated assett classes beat the market?? Others are more qualified to answer but it's atleast a reasonable premise.

 

Could EastCoastJaysFan, spending much time on this message board (3 times as many posts as mentally unstable, unemployed loser, Olerud363), working out of Halifax(I think?), working with pools of money from local fisherman and charging them ridiculous fees, possibly being on the other end of trades with the big boys (someone has to... right??)... could he beat the market under these conditions?

 

Completely different question.

 

If you are going to try and make some ridiculous attempt to insult me at least learn how to properly put together a sentence (i.e. learn how to SPELL).

 

I'm 25 years old working for an investment bank in downtown Toronto. I think I'm doing alright.

[GD]

There's no way GD is 13 or 16, or whatever he claims to be.

 

I am neither of these.

[GeorgiaPeach]

lol Where did you get "small time financial advisor from the Maritimes" from? I can assure you that this is not the case.

 

When did I ever argue with you about market theory? I cannot remember ever having a conversation with you, ever.

 

Jesus man you need some serious help.

 

Sounds like Olerud may have just outted himself as having an alternate account.

[GeorgiaPeach]

If you are going to try and make some ridiculous attempt to insult me at least learn how to properly put together a sentence (i.e. learn how to SPELL).

 

I'm 25 years old working for an investment bank in downtown Toronto. I think I'm doing alright.

 

Off topic, were you at the final home game of the season vs the Rays?

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Nope. Last game I went to was during the O's series.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I saw a guy I thought looked like you....wasn't sure.

[Orgfiller]

Stoeten is just an interesting figure because at one time he was the edgy, counter-culture, guy... who'd call out crap when he saw it. Now he's the "rational-benefit of the doubt" guy. Quite a change that coincide with his blog being bought by a larger coorporation (not Rogers).

 

I literally didn't read the article or the OP, but hasn't there been multiple mentions that TheScore's blog wasn't bought by Rogers? So go ahead, keep calling out kids, no one talked about wars, politics, media or the freaking environment, and what the f*** does that even have to do with one sportswriter's blog?

[saskjayfan]

If you are going to try and make some ridiculous attempt to insult me at least learn how to properly put together a sentence (i.e. learn how to SPELL).

 

I'm 25 years old working for an investment bank in downtown Toronto. I think I'm doing alright.

 

where do you find all the time to post on the boards or watch the jays if you are an investment banker. My buddy worked 80 to 100 hours a week when he was grunt in the investment banking world..lol

[Convo]

where do you find all the time to post on the boards or watch the jays if you are an investment banker. My buddy worked 80 to 100 hours a week when he was grunt in the investment banking world..lol

 

80-100 hours? That's f***ing dumb.

[saskjayfan]

80-100 hours? That's f***ing dumb.

 

I know but it's sort of the reality of that industry when you first start....he worked 7 days a week.....I'm not saying he didn't take time for lunch or supper, coffee....but 7 to 7 was pretty much the norm. I remember him saying he was in the office 40 of 48 hours one 2 day stretch...It's not like he wasn't making good money..although when you broke it down on an hourly wage it wasn't that impressive...lol.

[Convo]

I know but it's sort of the reality of that industry when you first start....he worked 7 days a week.....I'm not saying he didn't take time for lunch or supper, coffee....but 7 to 7 was pretty much the norm. I remember him saying he was in the office 40 of 48 hours one 2 day stretch...It's not like he wasn't making good money..although when you broke it down on an hourly wage it wasn't that impressive...lol.

 

No amount of money could convince me to "live to work"

[KingKat]

 

Stoeten is just an interesting figure because at one time he was the edgy, counter-culture, guy... who'd call out crap when he saw it. Now he's the "rational-benefit of the doubt" guy. Quite a change that coincide with his blog being bought by a larger coorporation (not Rogers).

 

 

Stoeten hasn't really changed that much. He used to be someone who defended Ricciardi against the criticism from the fans and the media and now he defends AA from criticism from the fans. He was a counter-culture guy before because the mainstream media hated Ricciardi and he didn't. What's changed is how the mainstream media refuses to criticize Anthopoulos the way they criticized Ricciardi. Stoeten has defended both. Other than Wilner, he's probably the only one whose attitude has remained basically the same to the two GMs.

[Convo]

Stoeten doesn't even have 7K followers on Twitter.