kgm1 Verified Member Posted September 29, 2013 Posted September 29, 2013 After gutting a top farm system and acquiring 3 good starters all with warts a injury prone shortstop and a left fielder coming off two Roid aided seasons and two 2nd base candidates it is hard to believe such a disappointing season . Here is what I think went wrong . Add yours ! WBC , With so many changes to the lineup the Jays needed a solid ST where everyone could play together and get used to eachother . Gel as a team . With the WBC taking so many of the starters and guys like Bautista sulking cause they wouldn't let him play things started BAD. Injuries , Starting in ST and continuing right up to the last day this was the worst injury filled season ever . Starting in ST , Lawrie, EE, were injured in the WBC and then Pitching got hurt then Reyes then pitching !! Wow UGLY ! Defense , Bad enough our starting pitching was dismal our defense was 4th worst in the majors . Boni and Izturis couldn't adjust to artificial turf and Melky was a disaster in Left . Reyes and Lawrie went down exasperating the problem and it just snowballed . Add to that JPA was the worst in baseball behind the plate and Thole wasn't better . This made our rotation even worse . Rotation , With no depth and Romero self destructing the injuries were a disaster Ortiz, Wang, Laffey , and the list of futility goes on . 13 starters in a year we expected to have 4 200 inning starters . Offense - 2nd Base , left field and catcher all played below replacement levels , Add to that Lawrie had a dismal 1st half , we couldn't replace reyes and almost every regular spent time on the DL with NO depth to replace those bats . What other ugliness did I miss
Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted September 29, 2013 Posted September 29, 2013 JP Arencibia deserves his own category. What a f***ing disgrace.
Tuco Verified Member Posted September 29, 2013 Posted September 29, 2013 What do I think went wrong? I think the management and everyone involved with this franchise really doesnt have a clue with what there doing. I bet we could sign Choo, Garza and upgrade at catcher and this team would still play god awful baseball and somehow underachieve. Bad organization is bad.
Jimcanuck Old-Timey Member Posted September 29, 2013 Posted September 29, 2013 pitching and defense, in that order
Olerud363 Old-Timey Member Posted September 29, 2013 Posted September 29, 2013 we couldn't replace reyes Good list kgm... the only one I disagree with is "couldn't replace Reyes" Actually the Jays replaced Reyes as good as any franchise could of. They had a cheep, on base ish, good enough defensive player waiting to replace him. A starter?? No. But as good as you could hope for in that situation. A sabermetric advanced creative choice. An unbelievable, incredible, intelligent choice given the circumstances. Out of the box thinking with the best franchises in baseball. A ninja move if there ever was one. Kawasaki played at a win or so replacing Reyes. Reyes at this point is a 4-5 win player. The Jays somehow took what could of been a disaster and managed to only lose a win or two... great work. The problem is the Jays probably don't understand they did a good job there. Boys... that Japanese guy takes to many pitches. The goins kid swing at em all. We need a little more aggressiveness like that. The problem is the Jays don't how good of a job they did replacing Reyes for 70 games.
AuntieJPA Verified Member Posted September 29, 2013 Posted September 29, 2013 Left team with no catcher, stuck with a nothing c to catch every fifth day, allowed JP to feel entitled--ha, when EE, Lind, et al have been sent down. Loved the fans' attitude towards JP today. Worth the price of the flexpack
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-r1E27J87Ssg/UWyj-NZ4BvI/AAAAAAAAEXs/a_VWXb7rBaQ/s1600/jp-arencibia-hunting.jpg
Laika Community Moderator Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 AA is a simple man and a below average GM, but really, it's not fair to blame him for this specific season going wrong. This team should have won almost 90 games. Yes, depth was an issue, and that's his fault, but that doesn't account for anything close to a ~20 game swing. Too many players underperformed their projections and/or got hurt. That's it. I don't think it's really intellectually honest to try and construct some post-facto reason for why it all happened. Morrow: Expected 2-3.5. Got -0.1. Johnson: Expected same as Morrow. Got 0.5. Dickey: Expected 4-6. Got 2.4. Reyes: Expected 4+. Got 2. Lawrie: 2.5+. Got 1.2. Bonifacio: Expected 1. Got -0.4. Arencibia: Probably 1 worse than expected. Melky: At least 3 wins worse than expected. Maicer: ~3 wins worse than expected. That's up to 21.7 lost wins right there. Colby overperformed by probably 3, and Lind by almost 2. So let's say they lost about 16-17 wins through random performance fluctuations and poor luck. That turns a ~90 win team into a 74 win team. It really is a wonderful, beautiful turn of karmic justice after all of the bad process.... but it's not AA's fault. He still sucks though.
JaysAllMighty Old-Timey Member Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 We have a bunch of CLOWNS for players. We need some seriousness in this team and players that knows the baseball fundamentals. How many games did they have with blunders? Stuff that even little league players know not to do. I've been a Blue Jays fan for decades and this year to me was the worse one in witnessing how many idiots we had on the team. And arrogant ones at that. You're dreaming if you think we are a few players away from being contenders. Not with the bunch we have right now, ain't going to happened. Gibbons is a marshmallow with players, can't get any seriousness in his clubhouse. Get rid of him.
GNick Verified Member Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 After gutting a top farm system and acquiring 3 good starters all with warts a injury prone shortstop and a left fielder coming off two Roid aided seasons and two 2nd base candidates it is hard to believe such a disappointing season . Here is what I think went wrong . Add yours ! WBC , With so many changes to the lineup the Jays needed a solid ST where everyone could play together and get used to eachother . Gel as a team . With the WBC taking so many of the starters and guys like Bautista sulking cause they wouldn't let him play things started BAD. Injuries , Starting in ST and continuing right up to the last day this was the worst injury filled season ever . Starting in ST , Lawrie, EE, were injured in the WBC and then Pitching got hurt then Reyes then pitching !! Wow UGLY ! Defense , Bad enough our starting pitching was dismal our defense was 4th worst in the majors . Boni and Izturis couldn't adjust to artificial turf and Melky was a disaster in Left . Reyes and Lawrie went down exasperating the problem and it just snowballed . Add to that JPA was the worst in baseball behind the plate and Thole wasn't better . This made our rotation even worse . Rotation , With no depth and Romero self destructing the injuries were a disaster Ortiz, Wang, Laffey , and the list of futility goes on . 13 starters in a year we expected to have 4 200 inning starters . Offense - 2nd Base , left field and catcher all played below replacement levels , Add to that Lawrie had a dismal 1st half , we couldn't replace reyes and almost every regular spent time on the DL with NO depth to replace those bats . What other ugliness did I miss Injuries, wrong manager, too many players moving around last year
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