need to make changes

[jayswin11]

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/07/22/blue-jays-arencibia-just-isnt-getting-it

 

Let's trade Arencibia.

 

Call up Jimenez, let Thole have the starter job, bring back Buck (John or Martinez, take your pick) but lets make a move. We'd be better off with J. Molina behind the plate full time.

[o2cui2i]

Overall, the Toronto Blue Jays, as a team, have managed to handle the disappointment of this season pretty professionally. There haven’t been a lot of clubhouse explosions or confrontations

 

maybe some ass kicking is just what they need?

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

Overall, the Toronto Blue Jays, as a team, have managed to handle the disappointment of this season pretty professionally. There haven’t been a lot of clubhouse explosions or confrontations

Mainly because they don't care. Too busy thinking up home run celebrations.

[Nox]

 

How many players-only meetings can a team have in a season? I think this is their third.

 

Lol @ Mark DeRosa desperately trying to justify his existence.

[jayswin11]

Was just watching Tim and Sid with Hayhurst. Apparently today is the anniversary of "the ship is sinking" quote from Shea Hillenbrand.

[Nox]

Hes been a decent bench player I can't really complain with what hes done.

 

No he hasn't. He's been below replacement level and projects to be so going forward. To roster that production in the form of an aging, nearly lifeless husk of a former ball player in a year where you've pushed all the chips in the middle says quite a bit about the decision making process used by The Fat Greek and co.

[Nox]

I'm not worried about replacement level when were talking about a bench player.

 

So bench spots don't matter is what you're saying. Ok.

[TheHurl]

Craig Simpson (hockey guy) just said something that makes 100% sense to me "the only team meetings that have any effectiveness are the ones that the media know nothing about".

[Howard Roark]

I've followed this team religiously since 1995 when I came to this country, and I have to say, this is the most unlikeable collection of players I've ever seen in my time as a Jays fan. The self-love is just really hard to swallow, especially for a last-place club. I've lost count of the number of times I've found myself yelling at the TV this year as one of these self-absorbed douchebags proceeds to fire off a 30-second series of oh-so-cool hand signs at the dugout in celebration at hitting a double in a game where we're down by multiple runs and sitting in last place.

[sachmo55]

No he hasn't. He's been below replacement level and projects to be so going forward. To roster that production in the form of an aging, nearly lifeless husk of a former ball player in a year where you've pushed all the chips in the middle says quite a bit about the decision making process used by The Fat Greek and co.

 

Derosa's actually put up a pretty good batted ball profile, I can he being slightly better than replacement level production by the season's end.

 

If leadership actually can provide some real value (i.e. improving other players), I would be okay with having a slightly above replacement level vetern bench player vs a run of the mill 1ish WAR bench player

[Nox]

Nope that's not what I said at all.

 

Yes you did. You said you didn't care if our bench players were replacement level. How does that not mean you don't give a s*** about the bench?

 

Who would replace him? Oh just about anyone can be better than a projected -0.5 win player over the course of the season. How about Mike Aviles? I mean, he wasn't even an external option at one point.

 

Hasn't been terrible against LHP. .809 OPS in 82-at bats I will take that.

 

Don't do any of the following:

 

1) Use OPS

2) Quote a 82 at bat sample

3) Quote ABs instead of PAs

4) Quote unregressed platoon splits

 

It's clearly led you astray this time and I can only imagine it will again in the future.

 

I'm not against improving the bench. But that improvement needs to come from outside of the organization.

 

So?

[Nox]

Derosa's actually put up a pretty good batted ball profile

 

He doesn't project to going forward. That's really all that matters, ever. (Whatever your method of projection may be)

[Nox]

So your point is spend more money on the bench. Lets say we do that. Do you feel that makes any difference to this years team? Do you really feel like keeping DeRosa on the roster is hurting this team?

 

The point is minor things like this and signing Jeff f***ing Mathis to 2 year extension are symptomatic of the far larger issue (our front office's inability to think). If they can't make good small decisions, why would we expect them to do any better with the larger ones?

 

Do you really feel like keeping DeRosa on the roster is hurting this team?

 

Absolutely. A small bit sure, but lets not pretend 1 projected win is a small thing in a season in which you were trying to contend.

 

I'm assuming a majority of bench players are replacement level.

 

You clearly don't know how replacement level is determined.

[Nox]

I would be upset if DeRosa was taking a roster spot of a player that could actually inprove our chances of winning. Hes the 25th man and thats not the case.

 

I would like to point out that the most popular baseball subtopic at Sloan this year was how to properly maximize the utility of the 25th spot on your active roster. Smart teams don't simply write this off and give it to some grey beard that has a few good stories to tell the boys.

[CHRIS]

I'm fully aware of how it works. It isn't the gospel though. I have never fully agreed with it but I respect it to an extent. This isn't about Mark DeRosa though. It's about the front office decision making. I completely agree with you about that. But if you start talking about the bench its just nitpicking. If we had better players in starting poistions. We would be in better situation. So sure I'm in favour of improving the roster.

 

The reason we don't have better position players IS the problem, and it's the same reason we have a bench including DeRosa.

 

It's because AA and his army of scouts are useless when it comes to evaluating players. So we give starting positions to "must-have" Bonifacio and terrible JPA. He disregards aging curves and injury proneness in favour of "pop" in the bat and clubhouse speeches.

 

Granted, just about every move has been a worst case scenario, and that's probably unlucky, but it shouldn't come as a shock that this team has struggled.

 

You are right though that DeRosa's crappiness would be better masked if the rest of the team was better.

[Nox]

On to the next guy. Hopefully someone from outside the organization.

 

Indeed. Beeston needs to go too.